| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
Is it a 1125 based bike? 19" or 21" front wheel? Is there a prototype being built? Is it just on paper? | ||
| Idaho_buelly |
Something?? I'm thinking of getting another bike and would love to buy EBR..  | ||
| Satori |
Would love to know to, but somehow I think anyone that knows anything has been sworn to secrecy, including Froggy, and Court. Would be nice to know, just so I could plan my next buy, as I want to add to the stable by spring, but if I knew one was coming out even shortly after, I would wait. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I love everything about my Uly, except the key location and the weight. I wonder how much of the 1190RS will find it's way over into the new AX? | ||
| Tankhead |
Don't think its going to be that cc. According to the frog. Ahhh whatever can't buy once now anyway. | ||
| Satori |
Well my speculation, and thats all it is would be this. the rs is 384lbs. The frames swing arms etc will have to be similare , just like xb bikes. lots of diritives from the same parts. so take away all the carbon fiber, and use vacume formed plastic /metal instead for internal parts the trays etc. cant do the uber expensive mag wheels, so those are aluminum like the xb's, forget about the uber expensive olins forks and shock. so add about 20lbs for less expensive parts. now you are at 405lbs. add 4.4 galons of fuel. anouther 26.7 lbs, so all in 430lbs. nice thats what about 50 less than a uly, fully wet? and definately lighter than the yamaha, triumph, bmw. if I'm wrong feel free to corect me but thats best guess. | ||
| Conchop |
I bet it will look similar to this, but I bet the radiator will be like the 1190 instead of the lobster claws. There will probably be a dirt variant with 17 and 19 inch wheels with a different size set of pulleys for lower gearing. Logically, the cams, injection, and ignition would have to be set for torque instead of all out top end power. Otherwise the new Triumph, Honda, Kawi, and Suzuki will have a distinct advantage in the ADV Touring market segment.  | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
EB.R should consider offering a bike that is simply drool inducing. I want the super light hub-less wheels. Stainless muffler. Fully adjustable suspension. Yes, a bike that is worthy of the Buell name plate. Far lighter than all the others. Faster and beautiful. And a bike that has a well sorted out fuel map, insulated frame so heat is a non-issue, and the gearing is lurch free in first and not fuell sucking at 75 mph. I still want the belt but with some sort of "give" when the throttle is wacked. I want mirrors that are clear and not all fuzzy-wuzzy like the current ULY mirrors. Please put the key near the middle of the handle bars and forget that darned accessory position. Give me plenty of handlebar swing lock to lock so that I can impress with my super tight u-turns. Provide a tricked out super-light model for those who can afford it because they will sell. Don't wait to long because there are plenty of Buell owners that want to buy a new bike and would just as soon stick with Buell but aren't willing to wait forever. Lastly, how about some teaser photos or something on your website because the letters AX with no links to anything is getting old. | ||
| Buewulf |
Ha ha. That is quite a wish list, there, E.G.! The wheels are cool, but I don't think they would hold up on anything rougher than a gravel road. OK, since we are dreaming here, my wish list would include: 1) the 1125 motor (that's plenty for me and would be cheaper) 2) a 19" or 21" front wheel 3) Ditch the underslung muffler to make it possible to drop the motor down a little to lower COG and seat height while providing good ground clearance. 4) Chain or shaft instead of a belt. 5) Short 1st gear with an overdrive 6th. 6) Lots of lock-to-lock so that I have to stop using that excuse every time I dump the bike. 7) 6 gallons of dino juice on board 8) < 450 lbs. wet? | ||
| Pkman |
"Would love to know to, but somehow I think anyone that knows anything has been sworn to secrecy, including Froggy, and Court. " Wait while I lower the "Cone of Silence"...there, that's better...what? ...hello... ...HELLOO... | ||
| Tastroman |
At least put a muffler on it that doesn't rust the 1st time it gets wet. | ||
| 46champ |
I was wondering if any EBR bike will have a belt. Were the belts that were installed on the XB Buell's under a Harley patent or have all the belt patents ran out by now? | ||
| Conchop |
All the new ADV bikes are loaded with the electronics: anti lock brakes, traction control, etc. Being a purist, I don't know if I like all the nanny's influence on my control of the bike. However, I guess it is safer and to be competitive, the AX should probably incorporate it. One other thing I'd add to the wish list is a very high GVWR. Big boys with big momma on board and a weeks worth of gear = one unhappy Uly. | ||
| Conchop |
One other thing - I have never liked the styling of the Uly. It kind of grows on one, but I personally, I prefer a bit more "old school". However, time moves on and styles change. Nonetheless, most of the commentary about ADV bikes is that they are UGLY. Count me in. ADV bikes might do good things, but sometimes one might not want to be seen sitting on an ADV bike. IMHO, the bulk of the Uly is acceptable but I'd lose the little swoop piece of metal behind the rear peg and the long swoop of plastic on the back of the belt guard. The rear tail light assembly is screaming for a mulligan. Look at the 69 Super Glide. The biggest styling fart on the Uly is the front fairing. Almost all of the ADV bikes have ULGY faces. Look at the mid 80's HD FXRT. Aerodynamic performance in a fairing that could be miniturized and tweaked to fit the Uly, er I mean AX. | ||
| D_adams |
So I get this pic this morning. It's the back end of a bike. Details are fuzzy, really the only thing I can see is the plate. What sucks about the pic is, I CAN'T EVEN POST IT!!! Yeah, I was told I can't, so I won't. But I did get to see something new that few people will get to see. | ||
| Satori |
D_Adams I want to scream no fair! but at least there is something in the works, hopefully they have it close to being production ready. I imagine they have things as far along as they can right now, given all the steps nesasary to start up a company. Though I would suggest to "annon" that they do a teaser shot or 2 on their face book page, like they did the RS. its just a thought. | ||
| Blake |
Dean, Few people will get to see? Then not for production, or you mis-spoke? | ||
| Blake |
The bike that some of you want is not one that will sell very well I think. The big GVWR is likely antithetical to light weight. First thing I do is ditch the stock mirrors, and a little mirror blur is not an issue I care about. I just need to be able to tell if there's a vehicle near my six is all. Six gallons of fuel is nuts to me. I'm usually ready to stop after a hundred miles on the back roads. Lean and mean is what I want. The leaner and meaner the better! | ||
| Bike_pilot |
If they build something like Conchop's picture, price it half-way reasonably (in line with the SMT) and don't do anything really stupid with it I'd almost certainly buy it right away. I love the Uly's comfort and chassis, just wish it were 50lbs lighter and 80hp more powerful. A touch longer swingarm would probably be good too, especially with more power  | ||
| Rwcfrank |
Regardless of how the AX turns out, if it does. Can we discuss marketing strategies for pricing? Coming in over the cost of a "new" water cooled GS will eliminate many of us current Uly owners since we all rave about how reasonable priced they are to obtain and maintain. Who does Erik use as his target audience? Taking the current uly and adding the 1125 motor is a start and should not raise the price into the stratosphere but is Erik capable of producing enough units to make it cost effective? | ||
| D_adams |
Nope, didn't mis-speak, its just one of those neat things that's required for production. Seeing it out in public will probably not occur often enough for a lot of people to either see it or realize what it is. I couldn't make out enough detail to verify what it was attached to except that it's got 2 wheels. | ||
| Blake |
"80 HP more" than the Uly, 170 RWHP? Kinda out of place on the adventure type bike I think. More down low would be much more useful. On board exhaust analyzer rig is bizarre looking. We've seen the really odd thing in an old photo here from way back. One of Court's photos maybe. Can Erik and associates build motorcycles in volume? All they need are the equipment and the people. There is no question if EBR is capable. They've already proved that many times over. Think positive. | ||
| Court |
>>>Can Erik and associates build motorcycles in volume? Yes | ||
| Sharkguy |
I would love to see something lighter, torquier, less breakable in a get off. 750-900 cc. Allowing on road comfort and offroad handling. Something along the lines of the husky nuda or triumph tiger. | ||
| Hughlysses |
less breakable in a get off ? I've seen a Uly that low-sided and went OFF THE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN at Deal's Gap and needed only turn signals and maybe a set of handlebars to fix. XB's are pretty damn unbreakable from that standpoint. | ||
| Britchri10 |
My Uly lowsided @ Buelltoberfest. All it needed was a new screen. I picked it up & rode it another 500 miles before I was home. They crash good! Chris C | ||
| Ulynut |
The Uly is incredibly durable. I can't imagine a better bike for me than my Uly. I just wish I could get a good nobby front tire. Maybe Erik and crew will surprise me with something even more to my liking, but for me, I love that air cooled V-twin with that big ol suspension underneath and all that ground clearence and that big ol seat and wheelie poppin hooliganism and that sound and those big ol handlebars and that sweet sounding fan and flyin over pot holes and jumping curbs and road plates and man I need to go for another ride. | ||
| Bike_pilot |
Blake, I want the HP because I use the Uly (I have an XT) as a comfortable sport-standard/tourer sorta thing, not an adv bike. Alternatives I considered were a KTM SuperDuke and Aprilia Tuono. The buell is slower than either, but handles almost as well and is a lot more comfy. I still have a (old but still huge fun) superbike in the garage. To me an ADV bike should be able to skim a whoop section, blast through miles of silt and go 200 miles between fuel stops. My XR650R suits that role nicely, no 17" wheeled, 500+ lbs bike will (at least not with me driving!). I can take off from San Diego and go anywhere I want in baja without worry from cruising back roads to blasting bits of race course at speed to ripping down 200 miles of beach from flippy to gonzaga, so a uly or any big bike wouldn't really suit my off road/dual sport sorta riding. Since I use it as a comfy sport bike I'd like sport-bike like power 80 more than a uly would be about 160hp (at the wheel) which I think would be just right given that its toting 100lbs more weight than a sport bike and pushing more air. That's about what you get with a duc 1198 motor (though the 1199 will blow the 1198 out of the water, its really something!). I could very easily make do with an honest 120 to the wheel though, especially if it came with reduced weight. Don't get me wrong, I like the Uly a lot, the motor performance is just not anywhere close to what I'm used to and if I'm dreaming I might as well have my cake (uly comfort) and eat it too (sport bike power and handling). Anyhow, I know my particular use is different from many others. As for durability, it seems to vary a lot depending on how they hit. I've seen ulys take lots of falls with no real damage and I've seen others have minor tip-overs and end up with a dented frame or busted primary cover and shift linkage. A less bulbous engine would go a long way in making it more durable I think - that primary cover sorta sticks out in harms way a little bit. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
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| Pnw_uly |
Whoa, I thought the "A" in "AX" stood for "Alternative", as in "Alternative Fuel". . . Adventure" ? ? ? Really ? ? ? I keed, I keed - - I just want an Adventure Bike engineered in this country with a 19" front wheel. . . |
