| Author | Message | ||
     Desertdweller |
Well right now I am leaning towards parting out the 2007 Uly after my crank failure. Has anyone ever done this? I am wondering the aprox. value of all the parts. I know there are alot of variables but I was just looking for a ball park figure. I am sure if I sold it as a whole with a blown motor I would be lucky to get 1K out of it. Anybody? Sad to say but I think I am out of Kool-Aid! | ||
| Skifastbadly |
I did that with my 07 and it was a major pain in the ass. The most valuable parts are probably the ECM, the plastic, the headers, the fuel pump, the belt and the wheels. You'd almost be better parking it in the nearest crappy area and hoping it got stolen. And I know what a •••••• feeling it is to have paid good hard earned cash for a bike only to have it crap out on you after only (in your case) 20K miles. There is no way on earth that a guy should be facing a bike that's crap after only 20K miles. It sucks, and I feel for you. I was a •••••••, I bought another one and it crapped out on me in the middle of Montana. I don't have the bill for that yet, but based on the amount of time the techs have spend poking at it with sticks and wiggling the ECM, the hotel nights, the flight back, and getting it back somehow, I'm probably out an additional 2500. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Elves my ass, I don't at the moment care how clever the design was, the execution was shit and for what I've now put into my two Ulys I could have bought a GSA or a KTM Duke and a Girlie. (Message edited by skifastbadly on August 31, 2011) | ||
| Yamafreak |
As someone once said "I Feel Your Pain" I had a 42 foot Owens Motor yacht that I put a boat load of money in and forgot to pay my slip fee. The marina never called me and towed the boat to a sea wall were it took one water and cover my new motors. A buddy called me and told me what happened. I paid my slip fee ($2500) had the boat pumped out and moved back to my slip. I then took the title to the young man that was working that day and told him to give me a dollar and I gave him the title and walked away! I do feel your pain! | ||
| Hughlysses |
There are some valuable parts in the bike but like Skifastbadly said, I'm sure it's a PITA to part out between disassembling, listing, dickering, and shipping. I spent a lot of time estimating what I could get for my parts when I was trying to decide what to do with my bike, and I think I came up with a SWAG total of around $2500 for everything. That said, I disassembled my engine ~6 months ago and I haven't gotten around to listing the parts here yet. I did manage to sell the unneeded 2009 XB12R wiring harness last month. I'm sure when I do list the parts some will go really fast and I'll be stock with a some stuff forever. Speaking of which, I need to make a lamp or something out of this bad crankshaft and rods to commemorate the experience.  | ||
| Buewulf |
Unless you have lots of spare time that just isn't very valuable to you, I'd just try to sell it as is and take what you can get for it. Otherwise pluck off the easy-access valuables like the ECM, belt, etc. and bury the rest in the yard. If you just really want to part it out, I'd list, sell and remove a few items at a time in order of disassembly only removing them as they are listed / sold. | ||
| Johnboy777 |
""Elves my ass, I don't at the moment care how clever the design was, the execution was shit..(etc.)"" Exactly right. An insightful observation, for sure. Execution was never Buell's strong suite...otherwise; they'd still be making them. Selling American bikes in 'America', gives you a huge advantage right off the bat. Americans, for the most part, all prefer to buy American goods - unless of course...well you know the rest. On a more sarcastic note, time for a new moniker - BuysBuellsBadly. ... | ||
| Rwcfrank |
I am going to disagree with everyone here. I have parted about a dozen bikes on Ebay. I got close to 25oo for a clapped out CB900F and sold every part except for a few bits which I binned. My estimate for all of the parts sold on Ebay will almost double the 1K you have for the whole package. As a matter of fact I will give you 1k for it if your serious. | ||
| Andymnelson |
I'll give you $1001... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Too early to tell with my Uly, but I have to disagree Johnboy. My 05 XB9SX was an outstanding bike by any measure. About 30k of completely drama free miles. Head and shoulders better than my Yamaha Radian, Kawasaki KLR-250, Kawasaki KDX-200, My buddies Kawasaki ZR-7. More or less on par with my other buddies SV-650, and another buddies VStrom 1200, except the SV-650 was like an XB9 with crappy suspension and screwed up motor, and the VStrom was uninspiring and stupidly expensive to repair after a parking lot tipover. The bad cranks shouldn't be happening, and Harley Davidson (the company that made the motors, and that shut down the division that would have been making things right by Buell owners) should be ashamed of themselves for not making things right. | ||
| Reepicheep |
$1002. It would make a pretty dang cool hybrid project. Or gear it down and put a blast motor in it for a hyper mileing commuter bike. | ||
| Jomartijr |
"The bad cranks shouldn't be happening, and Harley Davidson (the company that made the motors, and that shut down the division that would have been making things right by Buell owners) should be ashamed of themselves for not making things right." I couldn't agree more but has Harley been approached on this issue? I know it sounds laughable but at least the question should be asked. Otherwise we're just guessing about what Harley would have said or done. Once we have enough data to present seems like a credible case here on questionable durability of the Harley produced engines delivered to Buell Motor Company. I see that list as a tool to be used in presenting the problem to Harley. There's lots more possible with gathering good information, presenting that to Harley as a group and making clear the potential gains vs losses for them as a motorcycle manufacturing company in responding to the issue in a responsible way. Does "The Motor Company" care about public perception of their product and if they stand behind their manufacturing expertise? They have on opportunity to address those questions here, with this problem which apparently happened in one of their plants under their management. (Message edited by jomartijr on August 31, 2011) | ||
| Rwcfrank |
IIRC I read that some statements were made, possibly by elves that there was a bad run of cranks. Once you get into court, if you have to go that far. I am certain the truth will come out and HD will be found negligent. Now to find a class action suit attorney willing to take the case. | ||
| Prior |
IIRC I read that some statements were made, possibly by elves that there was a bad run of cranks. Once you get into court, if you have to go that far. I am certain the truth will come out and HD will be found negligent. Now to find a class action suit attorney willing to take the case. Best of luck. I think that will be a very expensive and lengthy proposition, without a very good outcome for those in the 'class'. | ||
| Jomartijr |
A professionally run, responsible manufacturing group would want to get a couple of examples of failed engines to examine for failure cause. Then backtrack to identify lot numbers of the failed component or process to determine how many units are affected. Then track down the present owners of those machines with an industry wide recall of a VIN number range to either settle for a cash amount or crank replacement at an authorized dealer. Or... the responsible manufacturer can hide behind warranty terms and discontinued product lines and save the short term cost in dollars and pay instead the price of industry reputation in not taking care of it's customer base and eventully lose that part of it's customer base. Anyone guess which type outfit Harley is? | ||
| Buewulf |
Does "The Motor Company" care about public perception of their product and if they stand behind their manufacturing expertise? I could be wrong here, but I am guessing H-D won't shed too many tears over this issue. The bikes are out of warranty, and they are putting Buell beneath the rug of their corporate history. Many of the Buell loyal already have a pretty bad opinion of them, and I don't think their reputation would suffer one bit by shrugging their shoulders at this. Just my opinion. And who knows? They could surprise everyone with a little goodwill. I don't know how many '07s were produced, but for a major component like a crankshaft, you already have a very high number of failures. It's not like we are talking about a VR or a lifter here. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
+1 for the blast engine idea! | ||
| Skifastbadly |
First of all, apologies for the tone of me earlier post, I was PUI. Nevertheless, before this turns into a single discussion about the crank failure (of which I was a victim) my comments were in general about reliability and specifically about the Uly. I appreciate that RWCFrank has had great luck with his, and we know one guy just turned 100K on his. However, *MY* history with the 07 included (some under warranty, most not): Warped front rotor Leaky rocker gaskets Two blown front fork seals Rear bearings failure Fan crapped out VR crapped out Failed 77 connector The headers detached from the cylinders, causing massive head damage ECM failure Broken belt Crank failure Now, keep in mind that that was all on a motorcycle for which I paid over $12,000 and by the time the bike hit 28K miles. I rode it on the dirt a bit, and I dropped it twice. But I did not beat the living crap out of it, I had it serviced at the HD dealership at the proper intervals, and I broke it in according to the manual. There is NO WAY a person should have that array of problems on a bike that costs that much with as few miles as I had on it. So, when it became apparent that fixing the 07's engine problems was going to cost more than the bike was worth (or more than a replacement would be) I thought long and hard about the next step. I bought a used 08 with 8200 miles on it for $5,800. I thought, "well nobody could be that unlucky twice, and there are all these upgrades to the 08...." So, right off the bat, the front seal started leaking. Ok, fair enough, bikes have seal failures, and I learned through the help of this site to replace it myself. I have a job I don't particularly like, and it's been hell for the past year. So when I planned a week long motorcycle ride through the Northwest, I REALLY needed to enjoy myself and relax. I thought LONG and HARD about taking my Harley Heritage. It's an 04 with 30K miles and has been solid as a rock. But for reasons that I'll never understand, I took the Uly. Whoops, I guess the bike was never tested in hot weather. So four days into my trip, it just flat out stopped running. It's still in Missoula. They replaced the ECM, and suspect something in the fuel pump. This bike now has 12K miles on it. Would you like to know what my riding buddy, who was on a GSA with 20K flawless miles had to say about it? "Shoulda bought a BMW." How about my old college roomate who just finished his MSF class? "Why the hell did you buy another one of those?" Look, I get the Buellade, I really do. When it's running, it's great, and I am having a hell of a time deciding what I'll replace it with, because I AM selling it. But no group of people should subjected to being afraid of going more than five miles from their house without a tool kit, a spare belt, a set of bearings, and a six pack on a bike that costs this kind of money. | ||
| Froggy |
For all the issues you list is part of the reason I went and got a 1125CR and then a 1125R and have never looked back. My air cooled bikes are rotting. My XB has electrical issues that I'm too lazy to iron out, the Blast pisses out the base gasket among other things. My biggest issue now with the 1125R is tire life and sub 60mpg fuel economy. | ||
| Reepicheep |
You are absolutely right. $1003.  | ||
| Motorbike |
My biggest issue now with the 1125R is tire life...... They lasting too long Froggy? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Froggy ship me that unloved Uly and xb 1006 for both the Ulys | ||
| Portero72 |
The 1125's are far from perfect. They have their own 'Stator/Voltage Regulator/Charging System' subforum to discuss all the failures. More than one Bueller I know has had multiple failures of this kind, even after the factory fix. | ||
| Froggy |
And you couldn't be more wrong. The stator is the only weakspot on the 1125, and guess what happens if you fix it right? It becomes a thing of the past, and you have a damn near perfect motorcycle. Still needs ABS to get a perfect score | ||
| Blake |
Well stated Frank. The naysayers will never die it seems. The 2010 Uly is perfect, and so is my 1997 Cyclone, and Court can prove it. | ||
| Portero72 |
'The naysayers will never die it seems.' You assume too much, sir. | ||
| Gringo |
guess im qualified to add my two cents, ive had two ulys, an 08, and now an 09 which was manufactured a month before the 08. so make it two 08s if you want. the first was a lemon, lots of electrical problems and an owner who didnt know about computerized bikes, (me). truth to tell, in the USofA i would have enacted the lemon law and the dealer would have made good, only had 1700 km when i traded in on a Dyna. naturally i got the bug again and opted for the XT version. this too had problems with the ECM, but not nearly as severe and when i put on the Erik Buell Racing ECM, things got pretty. stuff ive learned on badweb has helped a LOT. i believe most of the electrical problems we have are due to the wiring harness being made in china, and probably not to the specs of the actual engineer. that plus the uly is overengineered, too many engineers trying to help make a dirt bike out of a harley. never gonna happen. but i love mine, goes fast enough and i understand most of its quirks. thats to say, i understand what they are, just dont understand why it has them. |
