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Applepooh
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 07:16 pm: | 
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Hey guys, I have read through a lot of electrical related threads here. I have not found one that seems to fit the bill.... so here we go.
I just bought an '05 XB12s from a gentleman with only 5k miles on it. He said it had just been siting in his grandpas garage for awhile, at-least since march of this year.
He had replaced the battery and had it on a charger.
My problem is,
about after a week of riding ~80 miles everyday (central valley CA its HOT) that battery died.
I also noticed that after hitting the fuel pump to on, and then pressing the start switch it would make a noise like it was about to crank, then about 2-3 seconds would pass and it would finally start to crank over and start.
I am new to the XB family but do know that once the start button is engaged there should be zero "lag" between engine firing or starter doing its thing.
I have done ZERO investigation to this problem other then looking at some wires to see if they are bad. I had put my battery from my Blast into my XB for the time being and if this one dies I know I have a problem.
So my question is, are there any known issues with the '05 XB12S's that could be causing this problem?
Oh another thing, I had gone out of town for 2 days, left my bike in the carport and went to go start it and it cranked over, but had the 2-4 second delay before the starter finished its deal.
Its like, you turn the key, turn fuel pump on, then hit the yellow button, you'll hear a noise, then nothing for 2-4 seconds then it will crank over (sometimes strong, other times not...)
Sorry for the long post, but any suggestions would be amazing!!! |
Applepooh
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 07:17 pm: |
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Also I NEED this bike to be dependable, I ride it to and from work, then from work to school, then from school to home, I call it the triangle of hell (each is in a different city, work, school, home)
Any battery recommendations would be welcome and encouraged, also battery related accessories including, chargers, portable jumpers, tenders, umm things needed to make sure I am producing the correct amount of volts / ohms etc etc. ty guys. |
Applepooh
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 07:17 pm: |
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Also the passenger pegs/mounts are not currently on the bike, not sure if that has anything to do with the grounding of the bike. |
Harleyelf
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 09:02 pm: |
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Swap your relays. To check for a charging problem, get a multimeter with AC and DC ranges and check the DC voltage before and after starting. Should be around 13V cold and 14 - 14.7 running. If it is not, disconnect the stator and check AC voltage when running. Should be 28 - 54 volts when running. While you're in there, check resistance between stator wires and ground and between each other. Should be low between them, less than 1 ohm; should be infinite between stator wires and ground. Most likely your issue is in the relays; charging circuit is not involved in the starting process. |
Applepooh
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 10:13 pm: |
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Harleyelf - ty for the response.
"Swap your relays." How would I go about doing this?
I have the '05 manual on a PDF and I see starter relays but (lol) how do I apply the diagram to the bike?
I'm guessing by the fuses..
(Message edited by Applepooh on August 20, 2011) |
Harleyelf
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 10:40 pm: |
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The relays are square gray boxes about an inch on each side somewhere near the fuses. There are two or three of them, and they're interchangeable. On my S3, they're on the right side under the bodywork, near the ignition module. Not sure of the location on an XB12, maybe under the tail? Go to the manual and look up "replace the relays", then just swap them for each other. |
Harleyelf
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 10:47 pm: |
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Your battery may be inadequate to the task of starting your bike. Get a good car battery and hook it up with cables (battery cables, not just jumpers) to your Blast battery. If that does the trick, get a H-D battery or an Interstate heavy-duty. I made the mistake of getting one from Wal-Mart and it lasted 3 months before going cold. |
Applepooh
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 12:16 am: |
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kk, awesome. I think I will just get the right battery. There was a cheap bikemaster one in it when I bought the bike. That bikemaster one was the "new" one. Must say, it looks brand new.
Tomorrow I will get on this pronto. I'll keep you posted.  |
Harleyelf
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 12:23 am: |
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While the battery is out, check the ground connection where the negative cable meets the frame. Sand the cable and scrape the frame if any corrosion is evident. And remember to check your voltage so your new battery doesn't die young. 14 - 14.7 volts DC across the battery terminals when running. Good multimeter can be had for 4 bucks at harbor freight. |
Applepooh
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 12:18 pm: |
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I guess I should put this info out there too, when the first battery died (new bikemaster one) It happened like this. I went to try and start the bike. it made a noise, then no go. Then I tried again and no go. Then I tried a third time and that time it drained the battery and the bike was completely dead... no lights no nothing.. put my battery that was in my blast in the XB and it started right up with NO lag between mthe time you press the yellow button to engine fire.
Maybe that will help. So its like the bike is drawing power from the battery to start but it isnt all going to the starter.... |
Harleyelf
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 06:24 pm: |
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Inadequate power or inadequate ground will do that. It's typical of how batteries fail. Why they fail is another issue. Heat is a factor, but not so much so as charge voltage. Do the checks I have outlined. |
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