| Author | Message | ||
     Andros |
Why dont we create a formal appeal to Erik Buell Racing to have them redesign the stator/rotor/regulator setup for our 1125. I think many of us are willing to cough a couple of hundred dollars to get this huuuge problem fixed once and for all?! | ||
| Jdugger |
Why does it need to be Erik Buell Racing? Why not a firm specializing in stator/rotor design tooled to manufacture the parts? While Erik Buell Racing is certainly capable, I think they are unlikely to be interested in the project for a couple of reasons: 1. The project is oblique to their goals. 2. They are not tooled to execute, and would end up out sourcing the project, anyway. If this is really your desire, why don't you source a wadded '08 motor and send the rotor and stator to a firm specializing in these things and say "make us this..."? (Message edited by jdugger on July 29, 2011) | ||
| Andros |
I dont know enough about the technicalities of this stator crap. Its poorly engineered and someone should be able to sort it out professionally without using us as guineapigs. Am i the only one who just want to pay someone knowledgeable to sort the full problem out, not just the stator? | ||
| Jules |
No, you're not the only one but I agree with Jdugger that Erik Buell Racing probably won't want to invest the time and effort in this right now.. A stator rewind company MIGHT want to reverse engineer something, so I suspect the best approach would be to find a good one, invest in a 08 setup (stator and rotor) and ask them how much they'd charge to manufacture them from scratch.. I suspect there's a market there for some enterprising individual/company... but it's not a core business opportunity for Erik Buell Racing right now.. | ||
| Andros |
There must be several guys here with an 08 that woul be able to unmount the stator and rotor and send it tu customrewind no? If i had one i would do it in a heartbeat. Would an 08 setup fix our stator misery completely? | ||
| Avc8130 |
The problem with the 08 vs 09 game is that the parts are not PHYSICALLY the same dimensions. 08 stators require 08 rotors. The simplest thing Erik Buell Racing could do would be to offer 1190RS stator swaps, assuming they are compatible. Custom Rewind is taking another shot at 09 repair, however, after the last debacle I am not holding my breath. ac | ||
| Steeleagle |
While I sympathize with all the issues with the stators, the following 2 comments are contradictory:
I truly hope a solution is found, but I agree that a broader range of resources might also be capable of developing a fix rather than focusing solely on Erik Buell Racing, whose own focus is currently elsewhere. | ||
| Ratbuell |
To answer the original post: Because they have BETTER things to do right now, and I don't want to stand in their way. That said...I have a strong suspicion that once the 1190 parts become more widespread (i.e. more than 100 units)...the stator/rotor assembly will likely be adaptable to an 1125 motor. Rotax - that's who will likely come up with a solution. But please, let Erik and the Elves focus on the job at hand (little stuff...like Superbike of the Year)! | ||
| Streetshark51 |
well..... here is my 2 cents. Eric Buell racing is a designer and assembler of a motorcycle. I'm pretty sure that they do no manufacture engines. wait..... It's a rotax motor. made by BRP so IMHO, contacting Erik Buell Racing and facilitating an effort to speak with the folks over at BRP would be the best effort. I agree that there needs to be a solution. but barking up the wrong tree is a bad idea. there is a solution... we just haven't found it yet. I know Erik Buell Racing has representation on this forum. But perhaps we can go about it diligently and professionally first. maybe we can see if Court has a contact, and possibly froggy can coordinate a stator section of the forum, we can figure out how many people are actually having a problem. And then go to BRP about a possible solution. hope that this moves the process forward and doesn't ruffle any feathers. I have an 08 btw.... and would still be willing to help coordinate something. | ||
| Budgolf |
Wasn't there a 5 page or so whine fest not to long ago in which Curt and some others explained that it was actually illegal for Erik to produce parts for the 1125 or anything else owned by HD for that matter and doing so could very well but his company at risk? Yeah here it is. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/641093.html?1310080419 Go get your bike fixed and leave the man alone! | ||
| Kinder |
BPR bought back the rights to the engine. HD can't stop Erik Buell Racing in this area. They (HD)may have a legal clause preventing Erik Buell Racing from competing (factory parts)with them or something though I doubt it covers aftermarket performance parts or they would be unable to sell exhausts, ECM, suspension brake stuff etc. I agree that now is not the time for Erik Buell Racing to try and solve this. They are not set up for this sort of work. I'm surprised no one has suggested BPR needs to step up here and offer a solution for the engine they designed. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
weren't we told that there is a known solution? i am pretty sure that was stated here at some point. screw it i am just gonna figure out a way to rig a one wire alternator and call it a day. lol | ||
| Andros |
Anyway. The bike breaks down constantly because of this issue we just need to dig up the right company who can help us. Brp, ebr, customrewind... Someone with the technical skills to engineer a solution rather than doing this trial and error style. Someone with deep knowledge of the machine and its electric system. Maybe ebr could maybe point us in the right direction of who to talk to? Erik Buell Racing i know you guys are busy making new wonderful machines but can you please point us in the direction of someone knowledgeable in this field? It still has you name on it so please help us out here. We will bend over backwards to support you and your cause, so if you could find the time to at least get the process started you could give something back to the community. Please? | ||
| Jules |
It still has you name on it so please help us out here NO it doesn't! We own BUELL 1125Rs not Erik Buell Racing 1125Rs, BUELL was part of HD, not part of Erik Buell Racing (which didn't even exist at the time). This is getting really old now. Erik Buell Racing owes us NOTHING, it's not their mess to fix nor is it their name to clear. It's all HD! (Message edited by Jules on July 30, 2011) | ||
| Andros |
I am aware of that its a different business entity but its still erik buells vision. At least that was what everyone was rambling on about when buell hd was still active. Come on, why so religious about this company? Why not spend the time helping out instead of intellectualiazing whether he can help or not. Let us get the problem sorted. It doesnt hurt to ask. That is what my post is about. | ||
| Sportster_mann |
As far as I'm concerned anybody that owns an 09-10 1125 will potentially be a customer for a replacement/upgrade stator, so the demand could be in the thousands - surely worthwhile for someone to come up with a solution from a business viewpoint. IIRC I read somewhere that Buell did come up with a solution - but HD "buried" it when they shut Buell down. But as Rotax own the rights to the motor you would have thought that it would be in their interest to come up with a solution. In the UK, under consumer protection laws, we have a right to return goods as "not fit for purpose" - I assume you will have something similar in the USA - perhaps if everybody returned their bikes at the same time citing the stator problems then HD will sit up and take notice ? (Message edited by sportster_mann on July 30, 2011) | ||
| Jules |
That's the "lemon law" that you'll see people refering to from time to time. I used the "sales of goods act" to persuade HD to pay for the rewind of my stator. I agree that there is a market for this type of repair. Certainly "westcountrywindings" have spotted that opportunity and will do rewinds for £125 (UK). All it really needs is for someone to replicate a 2008 stator and rotor as a "kit" at a reasonable price.. Where are the chinese when you need them? (that's partly tongue in cheek). | ||
| Dannybuell |
Sportster_mann - +1 | ||
| Court |
>>>Sportster_mann - +1 Kinda . . . a number of your facts are inaccurate. That's the problem with the darn internet. I'll bet this gets resolved eventually. You are right . . . there is great opportunity within the solution. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Court rather than say inaccurate and leave it at that give the fffin correction. :-) | ||
| Mountainstorm |
These kinds of threads make me so happy about owning a 2008. I'm not sure what they changed or why, but I bet it was not completely thought out and added mid-stream. Although I would love to have some of the 2010 upgrades like a sight glass and a 3-bearing rear wheel at least my bike is not pissing me off. I went through that 10 years ago...great bike...ridiculous service and support. This time around it's been awesome. Good luck with your stator project...sounds difficult. | ||
| Stimbrell |
My bike should have been back Monday, find out they have had to order R/R and flywheel now so no idea when I will have it back, if it comes back with the same, known to be crap 09 parts then Harley, Buell and Erik Buell Racing have lost me as a customer for life, and I do not care what people say about it being nothing to do with Erik Buell Racing, it says Buell on the air box, and this situation is frackin' ridiculous. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Mountain - what happened was a bunch of aircooled, low RPM V-twin riders bought 1125s and revved them like they were...well...air cooled pushrod motors. In other words, not enough. So...there was a run of "my battery keeps dying". Shotgun fix by HD? Up the stator output. Kinda like muffler noise - "more is better, right?". (sigh) Missed one little detail, though...that makes HEAT. Whoops, heheh...oh well. | ||
| Jules |
That's a pretty inaccurate statement.. The most likely reason has been posted on here previously (more than once) and has nothing to do with anything you posted. It was a "shotgun" fix though, rushed through and not properly tested. | ||
| Xb9er |
Why would E.B.R. waist time and money on a bike/brand that is no more? | ||
| Nm5150 |
The last air cooled v twin I owned was a Duc and I usually ride it like I stole it.New stator in may and mine is down again in July.I don't really think that is the problem. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Andros/Stimbrell, Why do think Erik Buell Racing should handle anything related to H-D/Buell? H-D attempted to chop Erik Buell off at the knees and took the Buell name when they did so. If Erik hadn't jumped the blade there would be no Erik Buell Racing. I'm sure Erik Buell would like to solve the issue but, it now belongs to H-D/Buell not Erik Buell Racing. If you have a problem you should take it up with H-D/Buell. G | ||
| Sportster_mann |
I think that the problem should really be resolved by Rotax - they supplied the engine and if you trawl the web you will find that the Rotax motor fitted to the Aprilia RSV suffered similar problems. I'm going to have do some digging but I'm wondering if the stators from the RSV will fit the 1125 as well ? If so at least it gives another option to picking one up second hand to get rewound - there may also be a solution out there in Aprilialand ... | ||
| Court |
>>>If you have a problem you should take it up with H-D/Buell. There is no "should" about it. No former Buell employee can even talk about it without placing themselves at significant risk. If it were Erik Buell's problem . . it's been solved long ago. | ||
| Jules |
I'm going to have do some digging but I'm wondering if the stators from the RSV will fit the 1125 as well ?  Unfortunately they don't look like they are in any way interchangeable..(The RSV/Buell ones) |
