| Author | Message | ||
     Nillaice |
anyone have a trackday void their warranty? i seem to recall a trackday ending with a seized motor, and somehow the stealership caught wind of the 'how' and 'when' and voided the warranty. not sure how wide-spread this practice is. ... | ||
| Jdugger |
Get a different dealer. I took one of my bikes in safety wired and with slicks on it. Generally *racing* voids the warranty, but not track days. | ||
| Froggy |
A trackday alone shouldn't void anything. Hell I recently brought my CR in for a stator, complete with painters tape and race tires still on the bike, the dealer owner came up to me and said something along the lines of "I see you really are enjoying the bike!" Then again, I was going in for a stator, not something major like a seized motor where HD and the dealer would play every card they can to get out of it. | ||
| Court |
We go through this on the Porsche board . . . the reason why Porsche calls "track days" . . . "DE" or Driver Education events. They should not void your warranty. However what you do to your bike, in terms of preparation, or do to your bike (over revs) COULD cause warranty issues. | ||
| Kicka666 |
Over revs, thats why they have a rev limiter, I would argue that if it became a warranty issues. I dont think the ECM would tell the dealer it has been over revved their diagnostic tools or the ones supplied by HD in my country will show such detailed information. | ||
| Fast1075 |
A rev limiter is the last line of defense for if you miss a gear or spin the tire...shift point should be determined to put the engine in the fat part of the powerband for the next higher gear...by the time the engine is at rev safety limit, the engine is well beyond maximum output...all you are doing is stressing the engine and making a lot of noise by over revving it. | ||
| Court |
A rev limiter provides no protection (this is a case I was just involved with) against an errant downshift that seeks to commune they whirly parts with the planets. I am not familiar with the information the Erik Buell Racing ECM stores. My recent experience was with Porsche who stores all over-rev in ranges and counts the number of revolutions in each range. If you want to compound things . . lie. The case I am familiar with involve a person who did the downshift on a track . . . tried to feign innocence . . and, after dropping the car off at Porsche . . returned under the guise of "needing to get something out of the car". He got in the car with a laptop and tried to clear the ECM. The bad news is that Porsche had already downloaded it. Warranty fraud is criminal. Nuff said. | ||
| Jules |
Well I wish them luck downloading historic info from my ECM - it lives in a box in the garage...where it will sit until I next take the bike in to the dealer. I had a Yamaha dealer refuse work on a seized motor after he "suspected" it had happened on a track day based on the tyre wear.. When I explained that it hadn't happened on a track, nor had the bike been anywhere near one he got beligerant and said he would "call Yamaha and tell them" going on to tell me that I'd never get it done under warranty. I took the bike to another dealer and they didn't bat an eyelid and just did the work under warranty. When I told them what had happened they were disappointed that there were still delaers like that out there as it damages Yamaha's reputation. Who'd buy a sports bike off a manufacturer that would deny a claim for a track day failure? | ||
| Kinder |
As long as it's not a timed event it should not be used to void a warranty or insurance. Thats the standard used here in Canada anyways. Maybe they think you were racing? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Successfully litigating a warranty claim will cost you more than the warranty work in nearly every case. If you do manage to get your money at the end of the day, you have still lost the time. It's a no win. I use a warranty before purchase as an indicator of a manufacturers confidence in the product. I use treatment under the warranty to decide if I will deal with a company again in the future. I don't assume it will be a solution to any particular problem (even though it often is). | ||
| Court |
I do the same. Reason I'm hesitant to buy another American car. I'm not given to engaging them but the "replacing a transmission and $7,000 of work at 80,000 miles is normal wear and tear" kind of made me start rethinking. I bought a new Mercedes a coue years ago and the experience was worth the higher entry price over the life. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I've heard of Honda's eating transmissions at well under 100k miles also... I wonder if they are covering them? The transmission on my Saab is about the only part working like new right now...  (Message edited by reepicheep on July 22, 2011) | ||
| Kenm123t |
Court you need a new dealer I run a fleet of Ford trucks none under 125k We have E350 super dutys @ 235k on original rear brakes The only issue we have are transmissions our fault truck is rated for 9990 lbs we are @ 16700 and towing a JCB 520 tele handler on the trailer total weight little over 30,000lbs we still get 200k or so out of the transmissions Not doing it as much since FLDOT opened up next exit south of us. | ||
| Court |
I am getting a new dealer ...... Ray Catena. You are right however. I was spoiled, for years, by competent and honest Ford dealers in Kansas. Different value system in New York and New Jersey. It was great when I owned the company and had 8 great mechanics in the shop. Noller Ford, in Topeka, always did a fine job too. Key in this area is to lease, which I'm not fond of, or to buy " New every two". Other than being eaten alive by maintenance costs I've loved the new Ford trucks. But the Porsche #1 in customer satisfaction and reliability is damn tempting. Who knows .... I'm also lusting over the Focus ST which will be rolled out in the USA in about 90 days. | ||
| Kenm123t |
I played the porsche game for a little while in the wide open fla roads and heat they proved to be a little fragile. Started playing with the LT5 Lotus Corvettes. a Real Super car thats as solid as Volvo grocery getter If a car guy doesnt have bunch of body shop bills from front end road rash. Its a garage queen or the guy is a waxer | ||
| Nillaice |
so, back on topic; why would an HD dealer play the cards to get out of a major warranty job? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Nill in the car world the factory pays a reduced rate to the dealership for warranty work as opposed to customer pay. Some one like Tom of Bumpus could explain HD s policy. |
