| Author | Message | ||
     Sprintst |
now if Erik Buell Racing could get Bazzaz to do their electronics package for the 1190's........... | ||
| Jdugger |
Word in the paddock is Bazzaz is the deal for slow guys like me, and not so much for the factory bikes. My buddies 600 has it. You basically tip the bike in a whack the throttle. Of course, I pretty much do that on a 600, anyway. At least that '03 POS we endurance race. That's half the fun of a 600 -- they aren't so likely to get out from under you. I'd SURE like to try it on my 1125r, though. I've left some darkies that scared me to death with this bike. Both on the asphalt and in my leathers. | ||
| Tougelabs |
Bazzaz TC works really well and no matter what having it on a liter bike or a torque friendly vtwin is for sure a great option. But I understand the thought process behind your statement. My level in racing cars is far superior then my tracking ability with my bikes. On my time trials car I have zero traction control or abs brakes and that pretty much is the general idea for "fast guys" | ||
| Jdugger |
If it were available, I'd but it in a heartbeat. I can't imagine it will ever exist for our bikes. | ||
| Sprintst |
I would think that someone dropping $40k on a bike is looking for the ultimate They are probably someone with more money than time or skill, and would want the electronics If you look at all the high end cars, you see more and more electronic aids | ||
| Gsxrguy |
I wonder if Erik Buell Racing actually has any interest in working with bazzaz. My friend just got a job there in the R and D department | ||
| Freight_dog |
A couple years ago, one of the glossy British rags compared a CBR1000 with a Bazzaz system to the 1098R TC system. The result was that a $13000 bike with maybe 2 grand in aftermarket tech compared favorably to a $40k Ducati special. | ||
| Blake |
Geez Paul (SprintST), >>> I would think that someone dropping $40k on a bike is looking for the ultimate >>> They are probably someone with more money than time or skill, and would want the electronics That's a really dim view of folks who have some money. Some of the fastest most competent track riders I know are very well off, not to mention some of the nicest and hardest working folks you'll ever meet. With dozens of Erik Buell Racing's new 1190RS having already sold for $40K, it seems obvious that plenty of folks are not so enamored with fancy electronics as you apparently imagine. I do agree that such a feature is a major added value. I just don't agree that it is a pre-requisite to selling an amazingly high quality limited edition $40K American superbike. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
in that limited setup sure. when compared to the http://www.mmcompsys.com/product.php?id=2 it pales. the amount of data you can achieve and not just from the engine but from pretty much anything you want to strap a sensor onto and it logs too at as fast as 1000Hz this thing is pretty amazing. the Bazzaz is good for street guys and i am sure even club level but quite frankly if you're seriously being paid to ride.... | ||
| Sprintst |
blake - it's not a criticism of folks that are well off. The wealthy can afford toys, so some buy 'the best' because they can, not because they are enthusiasts. Do enthusiasts with money buy too? Of course. Again, look at Ferrari, Porsche, Bugatti, etc.... all the high end toy cars are coming with tons of drivers aids. Why do you think that is? I just think the future is in the electronics, and would hate to see Erik Buell Racing miss the boat. Bazzaz seems like a simple, effective approach. And the price is reasonable. Just had a magazine doing the whole superbike review thing, and depending on the rider the electronics package could take several seconds off their lap times. I don't think that can be ignored. How many BMW 1000RR's are being sold without the electronics? Aprilas? etc... Dozens of 1190s sold? Fantastic. But what comes next? Once the collectors and enthusiasts have theirs, does the next wave of buyers choose the 1190, or get something with more 'tech' built in? (Message edited by sprintst on July 12, 2011) | ||
| Crowley |
My 'ordinary' Duc 1198 has TC and it works very well. Only had the bike a few weeks but the novelty has worn off and I hardly ever have it switched on except in the wet. It'd be useful on the track, but my 1125 is going to be used for that - when it's fixed. | ||
| Blake |
Paul, >>> But what comes next? A mass-production version. Feel free not to purchase it for lack of electronic wizardry. | ||
| Kinder |
limited electronics is what purists like. They like the idea they are in control and using skill rather than relying on a silicon brain decide stuff for them. Professional racers just want to win. If it makes them faster around a track they want it even if its 10th of a sec. Thats why electronics will be the next evolution in all forms of racing. IMO As for Bazzaz... DynoJet will prob launch something along the same lines as well in the form of a piggy back box. And they have a Buell ready controller.  | ||
| Avc8130 |
Sport Rider Magazine is playing with one of these setups on a CB1000RR. They seemed to have trouble getting it to produce faster lap times. Initially it slowed them down. They put on a light to indicate when the TC was interfering. They found it was interfering way too often. It is tough to tell from how the articles are written, but it seems like it took a fair amount of tuning, but now they are singing the praises of lower lap times. Just goes to show that "plug and play" still requires "playing". ac | ||
| Kinder |
Just goes to show that "plug and play" still requires "playing". Excellent point AVC.... hence the importance of electrics and thier engineers}. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Excellent point AVC.... hence the importance of electrics and thier engineers}. Not exactly. That point doesn't express the importance of electronics at all. It just expresses that if you have electronics, you don't necessarily have the total solution. The truth, at the skill level of professional racing, is finding the perfect combination of electronics and riders. For some, that will mean a lot of traction aid, for others, very little. The only TRUTH we know is that what traction control and the level of its influence each rider/team uses will NEVER be known outside of that particular race team. Sport Rider's findings to me express that even a casual track day guy won't necessarily benefit from just plugging in the electronics. He will have to test/tune extensively to see the greatest results. (Message edited by avc8130 on July 12, 2011) | ||
| Rodrob |
There is a lot of unused potential in the Erik Buell Racing ecm. Unused inputs and outputs. I wouldn't assume that TC is not in Erik Buell Racing's nearish future. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Rodrob, Excellent point. I haven't seen any of the traditional provisions on the rotors just yet. The ECM may be close to the task, but we need some sensors and hardware too. Who knows. Other than "2 wheels", Erik doesn't do "tradition" too well when it comes to motorcycle designs. Erik Buell Racing may have something completely revolutionary in the ways of TC in the works...wouldn't be the first time pushing the envelope. ac | ||
| Brumbear |
Well I gotta figure it this way Computers don't have BALLS racers do and a computer only knows parameters we set, How has mankind advanced so far in this short a time period BALLS yes using our brains helps but in the end someone has to strap it on and go do it!!!!! Thats what makes racing so cool  | ||
| Sprintst |
Blake - so I guess the 1190 is perfect and we shouldn't discuss things then........... I'm sure it will dominate the USA sales w/in a year then | ||
| Blake |
"Perfect"? No such motorcycle exists. "It will dominate the USA sales w/in a year"? No. Even if that many customers wanted one, the production capacity will not likely be up to that level in just one year. Your benchmark is unreasonable. | ||
| Blake |
"we shouldn't discuss things then"? That is exactly what we are doing. Try to stay focused. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Engine managment is in the right wrist. Infinitely variable, adaptive, self propogating and actively controlled. Wired to the most complex interactive self learning device known to man. | ||
| Crowley |
The Hurley-Pugh was a perfect motorcycle  |
