| Author | Message | ||
     Hybridmomentspass |
Hey he's the one saying they werent as fast as Filmore cause of the lever being further out. Ask 1125cya | ||
| Mtjm2 |
Had my cold adult beverage and my BUELL shirt on . I dont care that they didnt say Erik Buell Racing, just hearing BUELLwas good for me | ||
| Sl33py |
great shots rkc! Wish i could've been trackside like that... I think it's a phenomenal performance for the first outing. Wanted more of course (top 5 dream), but reality says otherwise. Give them a bit more time to dial in and let's see how the season progresses! WTG EBr! keep on fighting! Anyone who went have some vid clips to share yet? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Erik Buell Racing's New Goal: Beat the KTM. | ||
| Fast1075 |
I was going to suggest lightening the bike by removing the ignition switch and key as well as scraping off those heavy swingarm decals....but they would just need to add more ballast. Changing the color to red would make it faster  . Or how about some more duration and overlap and retard the cams a fuzz..the race motor does not need a 50 thousand mile life or EPA compliance. The very fact that what is basically a production bike, lacking the mega expensive electronics, ridden by one of the best young guns can come within a gnat's ass of running with the Katoom is saying a lot in itself... It will take a great deal of work to run with the Suzukis or Yamahas...but it is nothing more than another challenge for those who make thinking outside the box look easy...in reality, it is as much in the hands of the rule makers and the game changers as anything else. | ||
| Kinder |
Erik Buell Racing "basher" :P that I am... Uhm I thought they did very well considering its a new bike with limited track time. Give them some races and improvements will be had. We can't expect the domination the 1125R/ Eslick had surrounded by 600's. | ||
| Peyote |
Maybe someone could help me with this question. I understand from the 2nd race commentary that the only gear changes allowed are sprocket & chain changes. This, IMO, seems to give great advantage to manufacturers that produce bikes with long gear ratios for top-end power production bikes over Erik Buells philosophy to have a broad power band that consumers want. Why is this rule here? Is this supposed to make it easier for privateers or help the I-4's keep their advantage along with the weight ruling over bigger displaced twins? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
We can't expect the domination the 1125R/ Eslick had surrounded by 600's. Yes most "bashers" aren't real knowledgeable race fans, so you seem to fit the bill. Explain the domination the 1125R had over the 600s, other than the obvious displacement advantage. Lap times? Top speed? Wins? Thought so. It comes back to one thing and one thing only--Danny Eslick. (Message edited by fresnobuell on July 11, 2011) | ||
| Clutchreaper |
I just want to say that for racing a bike that has a lot differences versus the 1125, with minimal track time prior to this race, that Geoff did pretty damn good. He got 10th place. Something that did not come to the 1125 first time around or even the second. No disappointment felt here. | ||
| Avc8130 |
To answer the thread title: The KTM. Geoff May is in his 2nd year racing a Buell bike. He has seen this track aboard a Superbike before...both practicing AND racing. He, himself, said they should finish "top 5". He finished 11th and 10th. Not sure how he feels in the trailer after the race. He didn't appear to do any better on the 1190RS as he did on the 1125RR. He said "30hp down" was the big problem all season...but that is no longer evident. Curious why he feels he finished ~10th...as usual. Chris Fillmore essentially jumped on the KTM and finished 1 position ahead...both races. THAT is impressive. | ||
| Clutchreaper |
Posted in the race forum: from ebr's facebook page: ý11th and 10th first time out. Bike was very solid and reliable, but we waaay underestimated the difficulty of set up with the extra 25 lbs of weight strapped on. Today with all that weight and some chassis changes we made trying to compensate for it (which included running a soft rear tire), we destroyed the tire mid race, and Geoff had to slow way down. We'll try to get some more testing before Laguna. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Repeat for Avc: Yes most "bashers" aren't real knowledgeable race fans. KTM RC-8: six digit electronics package, along with extensive race data from Europe. Did you see the transporter KTM showed up in? E-B-R 1190: no electronics, little to no race data. Have you seen the 12-foot box truck Erik Buell Racing uses to haul the bikes from race to race? Performance-wise it seems the two Twins were evenly matched. In my opinion, the KTM's electronics helped Fillmore maintain the pace, where the Erik Buell Racing 1190 tailed off. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Fresno: Please cite the source of the "six digit electronics package" I saw a fancy tractor trailer...that doesn't win a race. No electronics? That is a CHOICE. Josh Hayes seemed to have a good weekend and he runs NO traction control. I see a lot of "claims" about the KTM electronics package. As all of the Badwebbers would say: "there is a lot of myth and not a lot of fact floating around". "ý11th and 10th first time out. Bike was very solid and reliable, but we waaay underestimated the difficulty of set up with the extra 25 lbs of weight strapped on. Today with all that weight and some chassis changes we made trying to compensate for it (which included running a soft rear tire), we destroyed the tire mid race, and Geoff had to slow way down. We'll try to get some more testing before Laguna." The minimum weight has been known. To wait until a race to bolt it on and test is insane. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Please cite the source of the "six digit electronics package" I believe Jens from Pegasus Racing mentioned it, however whatever the price tag, it's obvious KTM is pouring lots of money into the AMA venture (hence the mention of the tranporter you are so quick to dismiss.) The 3-year, multi-million dollar KTM European program is going to have a huge carryover to Fillmore's RC-8. There's no doubt about it. I wish they AMA did away with all electronics. It would be cheaper and more exciting racing. | ||
| Avc8130 |
I'm not sure how attending 3 races constitutes "a ton". I think they took the lessons learned in Europe and are doing a trial to see if they can be competitive in AMA WITHOUT spending a ton more cash. Buell has been at AMA for 3 years now. I bet they have more money invested in AMA racing to date. ac | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I'm not sure how attending 3 races constitutes "a ton". I think they took the lessons learned in Europe and are doing a trial to see if they can be competitive in AMA WITHOUT spending a ton more cash. Buell has been at AMA for 3 years now. I bet they have more money invested in AMA racing to date. Maybe they shipped that transporter from Europe? all their races are planning on attending are on the Eastern side of the US, so maybe they are trying to save some coin. Buell has been at AMA for 3 years now Wrong on 2 counts. 1) It was never Buell at the races. It was Privateers (RMR, Higbee Racing among others) who chose to race a Buell. 2) This effort is now Erik Buell Racing, not Buell. There are lots of recent posts citing the distinction. | ||
| Avc8130 |
What?!?! That is WRONG. Erik was there running the team for the 1125RR for 2 years. If they threw everything learned from that in the trash and started fresh, I would be VERY surprised. | ||
| Anonymous |
avc needs more facts. Fillmore has been testing KTM's all year at Mid Ohio, and the KTM he was on is a works IDM bike which has been being developed for years. The results are no less than we expected, and we did not expect to beat the KTM in the first outing. But they are really refined, and we are just starting. The Buell 1125RR and the E.B.R 1190RS are a lot different. The 1125RR was as good as it could be, not good enough but we made a commitment to AMSOIL to make our best effort with it until the 1190 was approved. The race team did not have time to do both bikes. The team is 1 full time guy and 2 good contract guys as we can afford them! We're not crazy, but we are poor. So we focused all our energy and money first on the 1190RS street bike to make it the best street bike we could. The reviews in Cycle World and Motorcyclist will tell you we accomplished that. It is a killer street bike. We did not test the 1190RS in AMA Superbike trim prior to Mid-Ohio. We told everyone it was a first outing and not to expect much. Now have started to develop it as an AMA Superbike. It will take us a while to get it to be right. When you are lean in staff and lean in budget, you have to do things as you can afford it. We will get the bike more competitive as the season proceeds. | ||
| Avc8130 |
I think you guys are doing great...seriously, with what you have. We just have high expectations here...especially when you let your racer talk about top 5 in his pre-race interview! You should nickname the race bike: David. As it is clearly taking on Goliaths! | ||
| Rhard |
I don't know about that I think he was involved but not in control. I think Ritchie Morris Racing was controling the team. | ||
| Avc8130 |
If memory serves (going back 2 years), RMR was running Eslick in DSB and Buell (HD) was running 1125RR in Superbike under Erik's watchful eyes. Either way, Erik Buell Racing has come on and said the bikes were too different to gain much in the terms of setup. At best Geoff got more experience learning track lines/conditions even if the team didn't gain much about setup. Unfortunately, at this level setup must be uber critical. Miss it a bit and your bike is eating tires or just not letting the rider keep pace. ac | ||
| Anonymous |
All top pro racers think they are going to do well, otherwise they wouldn't do it. When we get the bike right, Geoff will do well. He has the talent, and the 1190RS has the potential. Richie Morris NEVER was involved in the 1125RR. That was initially run under Dave McGrath at Buell and ran two races in 2009. When Buell shut down Erik bought the 1125RR's, and started up a new team in 2010 just before mid season. So the new team ran the 1125RR for just over a year. Now they start over. | ||
| Court |
>>>>especially when you let your racer talk about top 5 in his pre-race interview! Hahahaha . . . as if ANYONE tells a racer what to say. I'd damn sure rather have an enthusiastic, eager and chompin' at the bit . . Geoff May or Danny Eslick than some kid quoted as saying "we'll be lucky if we finish, but we'll try hard and hope for the best". I sponsored racers for years . . I'd be thrilled to have a young man of Geoff Mays' meddle, skill and focus. I doubt anyone would be much surprised to see Geoff log a top 5 finish. . . Time, we all win here, will tell. I'm still laughing as I think about someone "telling" Danny Eslick what to say. . . that'd work out poorly. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Good point about Danny. I talked to him at NJMP 2 years ago. His MOTHER couldn't tell him what to say in church! Geoff always seemed more straightforward to me. In past interviews he spoke about expecting "top 10" and how the 1190RS would bring him into "top 5". I am curious what his thoughts/feelings were after the weekend. I imagine he was disappointed with his finish compared to his own expectations, but very optimistic. Too bad Speed didn't catch him for a post race interview. | ||
| Froggy |
From what I observed (given limited race coverage on Speed), I think if the rear tire held out that Geoff would of gotten 5th. He was easily climing the ranks once he got into the groove. | ||
| Davegess |
Racers, if they didn't say they could do well you don't want them as your racer. Period. Confident to the point of arrogance, cocky to the point of annoying, if you can combine that with real talent and a pleasant personality and you have a winner like Geoff. These guys are not like the rest of us. | ||
| Rde48 |
I was lucky enough to get to talk to Geoff after the races Sunday and It was not the tire but a shifter problem that had him falling back after an excellent start to the race. I watched as he powered down the back straight past the KTM and began to pull away in the early laps. Geoff and crew did an excellent job and a top 5 is very possible. I think every American won at Mid-Ohio with major milestone in American motorcycle history. Erik has brought us back an American motorcycle we can be Proud of, and for that I say thank you!BFFB | ||
| Avc8130 |
What was up with the shifter? Someone forget the loctite? Everyone knows loctite everything on a Buell :-) I noticed across the top of the screen in the 2nd race that Geoff and Chris swapped places a few times in the race...of course NONE of that was on tv. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Motorcycle public perception is looking good! http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?t=145988 | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
The ballast they made them put on is lame. The weight requirement is lame. Nuff said. |
