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Rpm4x4
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
AWESOME!!!
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Cyclonedon
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 01:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
please keep us posted on the races!!!
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Smoke
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 04:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
AWESOME NEWS!!! Best Luck this weekend!
tim
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Ponti1
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 07:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Very cool...Can't wait to watch the action!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Its raining in Columbus.... whats it doing at Mid Ohio? Practice could get hosed up a little today....

looks like severe clear for the weekend!!
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Very cool, ebear; thanks for posting.

I'm VERY interested to see how the practice/qualifying times turn out.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I hoping for some 1:23ish... yeah... that's the ticket!
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99buellx1
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I like the standard production warning sticker still on the swingarm!!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
just a FYI, Josh Hayes best lap time last year was 1:26.022

thought some of you would like to know the location of the bar
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
EBear, you have us addicted here!!!

MUST... HAVE... PICTURES...
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Court
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
We are here !
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Daves
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Can't wait for updates!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
TWC says the rain should stop around noon and then we should be good to go for the weekend.
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Rasta_dog
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
51 minutes into Daytona Sport Bike practice. Here is the AMA link to live timing:

http://live.amaproracing.com/rr/
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Maybe they are running without a transponder....
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Superbikes on the track just now for first practice!

Josh Hayes leading lap time at 1:29.4 and best trap speed at 170 MPH. Just his 2nd lap.

Geoff May just now on track.

(Message edited by blake on July 08, 2011)
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Hayes new fast lap, 1:27.7. New trap at 171.9MPH. Five laps.

Geoff still no lap time. Showed him in pits, now back on track.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Cardena ups the trap speed to 173.3 MPH.

Geoff back in pits after one semi-hot lap. Not up to speed yet.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
its fun to have the AMA site up but its killing me not knowing what is going on...
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Tweet from Erik Buell Racing:

The 1190RS is MidOhio in race trim for 1st time at AMAproSBK event. Shakedown4 Geoff, a get-to-know-me weekend.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Thirty minutes left in practice 1; Geoff is back on the track. Hope he gets some good laps in. Sounds like they are working through some issues.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Hayes new fast lap, 1:27.4.

Fillmore on KTM 1:29.1.

Geoff learning new bike, 130.8

(Message edited by blake on July 08, 2011)
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
he keep moving up!!! trap speed over 166!!
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Nice, #99 down to 130.1 and like you say, a very respectable trap speed. The leaders are running similar trap speeds, but Blake Young just hit 174.8 MPH. That is FAST for Mid Ohio! Must be catching a good draft?
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
1:29.7 and into the top ten! Woohoo! Keep moving up Erik Buell Racing!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
back in the pits.... do this... do that... drop the HAMMER!!
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
AMA Live Timing now has him 10th fastest so far in the 1st practice session, with 17 minutes to go.

Terry - www.jtsperformance.com
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Back in pits.

Amazing performance by the KTM team, currently sitting with 7th best lap time.


Practice 1 Mid Ohio SBK
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
last year Geoff's best lap time was 127.331

I know that 1190 will go faster
They just need to get her dialed in
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Geoff sets new personal best trap speed at 168.7 MPH, lap time still at 1:29.7!
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
1:29.5. Only five minutes left.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
1:29.3!

Maybe three more laps.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
1:29 flat!
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Hayes on factory Yamaha down to 1:26.1.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Lets just hope he's faster than the old 1125RR.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Lets just hope he's faster than the old 1125RR.

he's not yet and that's a bummer.
I was hoping the 1190 would crush the 1125 times....

I bet its getting some tweaking as we type...
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Rasta_dog
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Patience, young Jedi.
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Court
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
It is WILD and amazing here as the 1190RS, complete with a VIN, takes to the track for the first time.

Suspension being dialed in . . . . "getting to know each other" session for Geoff and the bike.

The bike looks amazing and is drawing much attention,

The KTM sounds awesome!
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Speed is not power; power is not speed.

You must yet be patient.

(this was PRACTICE - an extraordinary difference between practice times and race times)
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
The bike looks amazing and is drawing much attention

More photos please!
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Rasta_dog
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
With the revised schedule due to the morning rain, it looks like SBK qualifying will begin around 4:30.
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Bads1
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Grea pic from today.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/enlarge/?section=ne ws&image=6962
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Lap times for SBK free practice 1

Segment times and trap speeds for free practice 1
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
The KTM factory team are running "sophisticated Magneti Marelli electronics package."

The KTM team manager states that
quote:

“It’s Superbike, so the electronics is probably the most important thing, other than getting the motor up to par. We think we’re in the ballpark with horsepower compared to some of the inlines [four-cylinder motorcycles], but it took a little help from Austria and a little help from some of my friends in Italy who have some electrical experience.”



More at http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?artic le=45177
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I love getting this pumped to go to a race!!!

I wont be able to sleep a wink tonight!
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Interesting post by Jens regarding the KTM in another thread:

quote:

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=4 5177

This is a great BS.... If the U.S. KTM´s are on the german IDM standart than these bikes are for sure illegal in the AMA (as they are, followed the spirit of the IDM rulebook, are in the IDM too...). Because when KTM offer to sign in for IDM they claim to get an 8% tollerance quote over their measurements. The board of manufacturers/importers have given their ok, did not think that KTM would expand that in the way they had done it. 100.000 Euro ECM is legal, yes. welcome KTM at the AMA.


Link to original post: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=158664&post=2079833#POST2079833
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
AMA said it was legal - enough said.
This remind you of anything from the past where someone was deemed legal and people started complaining about it not being legal? Hmmm, I seem to remember something from just a couple years ago.....
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I really like Geoffs helmet, nice looking
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Aeholton
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Geoff spending a lot of time in pits during qualifying. Sitting in 18th with 19 minutes to go.
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M2typhoon
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Seems like every other lap. There is something going on that Geoff doesn't like.
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Aeholton
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
He ran better times during his earlier practice. Whatever they did in the meantime slowed him down.
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Aeholton
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
1:28.497 on the last lap. Nice!!!

(Message edited by aeholton on July 08, 2011)
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M2typhoon
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
the last trap speed is nearly 170 so it's not a power issue!!
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99buellx1
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Their last stint out during Q1 was by far faster than his other laps, they are getting stuff figured out....just takes time.

Unfortunately, it's race weekend.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Owens,

>AMA said it was legal - enough said.
This remind you of anything from the past where someone was deemed legal and people started complaining about it not being legal? Hmmm, I seem to remember something from just a couple years ago.....

You are confused. What Jens is saying is that if they are running the same bike as in IDM, then it won't pass a tear-down tech inspection by AMA. So either KTM are not using the same bike, or they are hoping to avoid a tear-down inspection. No one is claiming that the model of motorcycle is illegal in AMA. It's a tech issue, not an homologation issue.
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Court
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I'm nominating the KTM as one of the best sounding bikes. It and the Erik Buell Racing are easy to photograph . . . . You can hear them coming a half mile away!

Very cool hot day !
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
AMA Pro Racing - American Superbike
Mid Ohio Sports Car Course
July 8th, 2011
Superbike Qualifying 1
TRAP SPEED MPH
Position#NameTop SpeedLAP
179B.Young176.149
222T.Hayden176.123
336M.Cardenas175.87
454R.Hayden174.758
51J.Hayes173.4219
610J.Beach172.920
715S.Rapp171.8511
872L.Pegram171.5624
98C.Peris171.2417
1062C.Trounson171.0218
1123B.Bostrom170.0311
1299G.May169.8918
132C.Clark169.826
1411C.Fillmore169.2620
1557J.Toye167.5217
1686J.Farrell166.6410
1725D.Anthony165.5915
18269J.Rock Page165.5219
1933J.Burgess163.5420
2064S.Narbonne162.7618
2118C.Ulrich160.2712
2278R.Wacker157.5224
2327S.Van Hawk157.0413
2441E.Pinson155.4317
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Blake - Im not confused.
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Great shots Bear.

Thanks a lot.
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Jyhfeei
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
170 mph is pretty darn good, considering Geoff's on EPA compliant valve train.

And those pics are incredible!!!
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Pretty dang good for the first time out! Good luck Erik Buell Racing and Geoff!!
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Court
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Pretty cool.......I was really proud of both Geoff and The Elves that made this happen in something like 18 months.

Somebody asked today ...... "what can Geoff do with the 1190RS that other bikes can't do?"

I had to think for a minute.....

" Put lights on it and ride it home from the track without breaking any laws".

This does have the makings of a pretty neat deal!!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Bob Evans 8:15 AM for breakfast
36/37 & 71 if anyone wants to ride up
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Venom5sc
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
When's the last time anyone raced in the Superbike class and left the key in he ignition? That has to be the best marketing ever!

Then again, I can hear it now.... "Where's the key? I thought you had it!!"

Please!!!! somebody zip tie it to something before the race.
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Jens
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 02:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Lol!
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Court
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 06:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Where is Bob Evans?.....what city?
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Court
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 06:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
That's funny about the key ....... And true.. I watched Boyd yesterday as he turned the key and thumbed the starter. In fact someone posted the video I shot on the Ratpak records Facebook page.

If you see me today and need an Erik Buell racing key chain be sure to let me know.
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Aeholton
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Final qualifying to begin momentarily.
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Those of us who can't be there....

http://live.amaproracing.com/rr/
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Hey Court! I would love a Erik Buell Racing keychain!

I have to settle for quicks peeks at live timing today as I have a busy day ahead of me here in the bow shop.

Go get em Erik Buell Racing!
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Court - tell me how much I owe you and I'll send it for one of the Erik Buell Racing keychains!

Im super excited about today! I cant wait to see what happens in the races this weekend!
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
just checked the qualifying, sort of bummed they didnt Q better today
But racing will be different, and thats what really matters
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Court, if you have more key chains I would love to buy one. Just let me know how much and where to send the money.
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Fuzzz
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
For some reason, I couldn't scroll through the second 10 riders, but I did capture this...Great job Geoff and Erik Buell Racing!


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Mbc
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Someone needs to post a photo of Court today,so we can all get an Erik Buell Racing keychain. Sorry Court.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
>>>> sort of bummed they didn’t Q better today

Don't be. . . they are dealing with a most unusual problem unique to the Erik Buell Racing 1190RS.

The bike is light enough that significant parasite weight needs to go along for the ride.

If you want to get a sense for some of the dialing in . . . take a 20# barbell and hang it on your bike and then take your bike and ride it to about 98% . . .

I took one of the "old" (early design) wheels and tossed to a guy a bit ago. . . .you could hear the collective gasp in the crowd surrounding the 1190RS as the guy uttered "amazing".

Be mindful that there is a large motorcycle company. . . tens of millions a year into racing that spent millions "re-inventing the wheel" to get it the lightest they could . . many engineers worked two years and they were amazingly successful and ended up with a GREAT wheel . . that weighs a couple POUNDS more than the Erik Buell Racing wheel.

This is fun stuff and those of you who have raced or followed racing know well the folly of expecting record times the first day a rider and a bike meet . . . I did mention to Geoff that I'd have been scared to death to even SIT on the bike . . like the 9 10 year old did.

It's a great day here today and some of the greatest Buell faces in the world have gathered to witness this event.

Very cool . . in 25+ years of Buellin' . . . I'm putting today right up there.

: )

Court

P.S. – Seriously . . .I am a responsible adult and would never put a the 9 10 kid on an 1190RS.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
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Davegess
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Good stuff. The elves will get the details worked out and be running up front soon enough. Despite the enormous amount of money spent and the ridiculous workload of the elves, this bike has received about 1/10th of one percent of the development time and money the front runners have received. The KTM has to have had a development budget that would make Erik weep. Maybe curse a little and say bad things also but we wont mention that.

Give the team some time, getting to this point is simply impossible. It could not have happened. No one could pull this off. Oh wait they are doing it aren't they? Never mind.
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Jaimec
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I was hoping for a Top 10. Here's hoping for better in the race (yeah... I'm GREEDY that way).
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Why the redflag?
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
ktm 10th ebr 11th

http://live.amaproracing.com/rr/
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Jima4media
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Removed unannounced spoiler info.

Another thread on the quick board has the same info...

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/641280.html?1310242123

(Message edited by blake on July 09, 2011)
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Clarkjw
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Ok, Erik Buell Racing finished 11th : (
Ok, it'd be nice to hear what Geoff has to say.
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Xb9er
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I'm bummed on the finish. I know its the 1st race on the bike and dialing in the bike, and everything that goes with it but...
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Court
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
>>>>Good stuff. The elves will get the details worked out and be running up front soon enough.

Absolutely . . I was there in the pits, watched some of the excitement, the changes, the adjustments and the surprise fixes and am thrilled.

Everybody toyed with the pocket dream of a 1st appearance podium but I think this is a great start . . . I keep harking back to where young Danny Eslick, who'd been pretty much ignored by a lot of folks, started on the 1125R.

Here we go . . . we're racing!

: )
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
It's not a great start, but it's about what ought to have been expected. Geoff got stuck behind Beach (#10) and got passed by Anthony (#25) on the last lap. Will be interesting to hear what kept him from getting by Beach as his lap time was much better before getting stuck behind him.

The KTM managed to leap past Beach on the restart.
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Elvis
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Consider:

Yesterday - Geoff was 3 seconds off the pace of the top riders.

This morning - Geoff was 2.5 seconds off the pace of the top riders.

Race - Geoff was 1.5 seconds off the pace of the top riders.

Just give Geoff and the team a little time to figure out how to get the most out of the bike and things will be getting very interesting.
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Davegess
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
At that pace he will be a half second ahead by race time tomorrow.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
You have to figure they were conservative both with the setup and the engine tune for the very first race. Better to collect data, get used to the bike, etc. than wad it up and risk getting hurt or blow the engine at the very first outing.

To finish first, you must first finish...
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46champ
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
It's way better than blowing up. Although that would get top billing on Stupidbikeplanet.
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Jaimec
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Speaking of "Stupidbikeplanet," they're still showing Geoff May riding a Buell 1125RR...
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Ponti1
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
To finish first, you must first finish...

Can't say it much better than that!
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Court
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Another new challenge...... Figuring out where to pit all the extra weight that needs to be hung on the bike just to come up to the minimum weight ...... A new and rare problem unique to the Buell.

I passed a wheel around today to give folks a sense of what's happening here ..... Kinda cool to watch there eyes.

Mike and I, unfortunately, are making the drive back to Gotham but I'm excited about tomorrow and the future for the 1190RS.

Thanks for all the Badwebbers who came out to support the racing effort.
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Therealassmikeg
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Kind of makes me think he should put the weight back at the hub/axle area he took off from..(just a thought).
None the less placing 11th is far better than 12th or 24th.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Actually ....... The hub, with the exception of being unsprung, would seem like an interesting idea.

I'm trying to think of a weigh ( little pun there ) to get it closest to the center of mass.

I suspect keen minds, at least 4 of them, are contemplating this tonight.

Fun stuff .......

Most exciting today was to see what happened when the 1190 RS/CF was rolled out. number 00027 was at Road America, #00024 was raced today and #00017 was displayed today.
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Therealassmikeg
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
lead weight in the hollow axles and sleeves around the outside of it.

(Message edited by therealassmikeg on July 09, 2011)
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Buellmojo
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
"The KTM managed to leap past Beach on the restart."
I wonder what place the RC8 would have finished if it was not racing with a broken header, it was discovered before the restart, 6 laps in.
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Davegess
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
The axle is the last place you want more weight. Zero unsprung would be the ideal. Plus it is rotating weight which reduced acceleration. BUT it is a challenge to find the best spot. They will figure it out, a nice problem to have.
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Bigblock
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 02:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I wonder how the rules read, can you put it on the rider?

How about a weighted belly pan?
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Vtpeg
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Added weight won't come down to being just as low as possible, front to rear will probably play havoc with suspension settings at this level of riding. I've spent some time scaling race cars and I'm curious to what level motorcycle racers scale at the track, if at all, and back at the shop. Are there magic numbers they look for? Does it vary by track? Is it all by the riders seat of the pants?
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Elvis
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Since we complain when Speed doesn't mention Geoff, I think we should give them credit for talking him up last night. They seemed to be going out of their way to mentions him and even made a nice mention of Amsoil even though he was pretty far back.

For the people who want to see what Geoff and team are really doing, here are some numbers:

First Practice:
Best time - 1:26.117
Geoff's Time - 1:29.009


First Qual:
Best time - 1:25.639
Geoff's time - 1:28.497


Final Qual:
Best time - 1:25.005
Geoff's time - 1:27.543

Race:
Best time - 1:25.708
Geoff's time - 1:27.225

And while Geoff only finished in 11th place, his best race lap was 9th best.

The top riders don't find much speed because they've already refined things to an extreme level, but Geoff and team are finding ways to get faster - and this is just the very, very beginning.

All the other teams will show up at Laguna Seca with the same bikes they raced this weekend, but Geoff will likely have a better bike in two weeks than he had this weekend.

I don't expect a podium this afternoon, but I hope to see Geoff continue to make gains and I'm beyond excited for the rest of this season and beyond!

(Message edited by elvis on July 10, 2011)
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
>>> I wonder what place the RC8 would have finished if it was not racing with a broken header, it was discovered before the restart, 6 laps in.

The lap times don't indicate any effect. Sounds more like a "my faceshield was fogging" excuse. Fillmore's personal best lap for the race was on lap #17.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
wish I was there today.... but the AC at home isn't that bad either!
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Dnlink
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I went up Saturday, its fun hanging around the garage watching all the activity. The 1190RS Carbon edition sure draws a crowd! And I found out that if you get aluminum wheels on it there is a $2700 discount, now if I could just find the 30K off coupon.... Greg White spent some time in the garage talking to the Erik Buell Racing crew and looking the bike over. Nice showing of Erik Buell Racing fans. Court, thanks for the swag. Mark and Ken see you in WV.

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Dnlink
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
That grey block under the tail is the 20lb weight.

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46champ
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
The ballast weight is not a problem. It will be become a tuning aid allowing them to make changes depending on track conditions.
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Sparky
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
To SPEED's credit, they did show a split screen of the 9th place battle for about 45 seconds with #99 dicing it up with, I think, Beach and Anthony on the 20th lap. May was running 10th at that time. That was pretty cool.
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Clutchreaper
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
11th
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Clutchreaper
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
It looked like he finished 11th I mean.
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Carbonfibrebob
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Eric, great shots. Keep 'em coming. Are you still perched on top of your Sprinter?
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Looks like the KTM is suffering issues today, best lap during warm-up was 1.28.4 there were some in the 1:29's.

Geoff only had one hot lap on the A-bike and did a 1:27.9 with a 173.5 MPH trap speed.

A-bike ready for race? I hope so.
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Sparky
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Nice. 173.5 is about 4 mph faster than most of his traps in R 1.
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Deanh8
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
are they not using the new back wheel?
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
>>> It looked like he finished 11th I mean.

That was yesterday's race bro. Today's race starts in about eight minutes. : )
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
>>> Are they not using the new back wheel?

Doesn't look like it.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Flag..
waiting....
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Goeff in 10th on Fillmore's rear wheel!
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Passes the KTM! Woohoo!
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Mickeyq
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
AMA live feed has 2 laps down and Geoff is 10th...http://live.amaproracing.com/rr/
Speed is going to show this tonite at midnight???
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
moving up!!!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
8TH!!!
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
3 seconds behind Steve Rapp, five off the lead, pulling away from the KTM!

Steve Rapp out! Geoff in 8th 3.4 seconds back of Pegram on the BMW!
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Mickeyq
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
8th place, 17 laps to go!
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Best lap so far 1:27.2.

Beach gets by Fillmore on the KTM. Their battle is good for Geoff.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Beach passes Geoff too. : [
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
8, 9, 10... Beach on the Kawi, May on the E.B.R., Fillmore on the KTM...
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Fillmore is right on Geoff's rear wheel.
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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Timing shows Fillmore made the pass.....
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Crud, Fillmore got buy Geoff and Geoff is more than a second back of him. Must have had a serious "oops."
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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Even with the 1190, I had thought they were going to get some quicker trap speeds. 10mph slower than the lead bikes.
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Fireboltwillie
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
geoff is slowing down. he's not doing 1:27's right now
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Now over three seconds back. Fillmore is lighting the wick and taking off and Geoff is going backwards. Luckily he has over six seconds lead over Toye on his BMW in 11th.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
>>> 10mph slower than the lead bikes.

Not so much. Unless someone did a 183 MPH trap.
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Fireboltwillie
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
i wonder if the 20lb ballast is eating the tires.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Geez, last lap was a 1:29.2, Fillmore's was 1:27.5.

Soft tires gone away?
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Four laps to go, Toye on the BMW four seconds back but closing at about a second a lap. Go Geoff!!!
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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Well a 166mph to a 175mph. Ok not 10. Lol
But i figured it would be quicker than the 1125. So once they let the 1190 in, did they up the weight?
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Clarkjw
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
You'd think with so much torque, they'd have much taller gearing. Obviously, somebody didn't bring the right sprockets.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Toye on the BMW is reeling in the 1190. It doesn't look good for a top ten today.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Geoff holding tough! Go!!!
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Fireboltwillie
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
geoff holds on for 10th
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Woohooo, he held of Toye on the BMW for a top ten finish!

Geoff's best lap was a 1:27.25, 1.71 seconds off the race's fastest lap by Blake Young, a 1:25.56.

Following is leaderboard at lap 9 completion...

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(Message edited by blake on July 10, 2011)
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Snowscum,

Traction control and the massive budgets of Factory Yamaha and Suzuki racing teams. No one else came close to those trap speeds.

Roger Hayden and Ben Bostrom for instance on the Jordan GSXR1000's had top trap speeds right at 171 MPH. Pegram on the supposedly uber-fast BMW SR1000 managed a best of 169.85 MPH. Geoff's best was 168.07 MPH.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Spoiler alert!

Don't read the following listing if you don't care to know the results of the race.



Mid Ohio SBK Top Ten


Mid Ohio SBK Bottom Ten
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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I seen a 177mph. Was that a missprint?
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Bads1
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Even the Jordan bikes aren't funded like Hayes's team or Hayden/Young team.... not even close. But much more then 90%.
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Sparky
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Thanks, Blake.

Pretty good consistent results. They should be able to tweak things a little more to make an even better showing at Laguna.

Looking forward to seeing today's broadcast and the team in action at Seca.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Amazing to watch some of the elaborate set ups .... Money, for several of the teams, is no object. The KTM Factor Team had an amazing set up .... Can't imagine how many hundreds of thousands of $$$ some of these folks spend on a weekend.

Fun weekend .... Really exciting and perhaps a bit of history.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
By the way ...... Thanks again to all the Badwebbers who came out. It was so cool to see such a crowd.... Darn sure worth the drive from NYC.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Snowscum,

>> But i figured it would be quicker than the 1125.

It is. More to come. : )

>>> So once they let the 1190 in, did they up the weight?

No, but the twins do suffer an inexplicable 10 LB weight penalty.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I saw a 177.9 MPH, but again, that is factory Yamaha and last years AMA SBK champion, Josh Hayes...

Top Speeds (MPH)
Position#NameTop SpeedLAP
11J.Hayes177.92
279B.Young177.47
322T.Hayden177.117
436M.Cardenas174.95
510J.Beach172.017
62C.Clark171.421
723B.Bostrom171.121
854R.Hayden171.02
972L.Pegram169.913
1011C.Fillmore169.32
1157J.Toye168.718
1299G.May168.13
1386J.Farrell167.316
1425D.Anthony166.86
1562C.Trounson164.92
1633J.Burgess164.513
1715S.Rapp161.02
1878R.Wacker158.220
1964S.Narbonne157.72
2041E.Pinson157.67
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
These are an amazing group of young riders. I don't know all of them but have really been impressed with them.

The level of skill is really amazing ..... This was a really fun weekend.

Compliments go out to the staff of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course who have raised the bar in terms of hospitality. Jesse and staff are the gold standad of professionalism. It mad a great weekend amazing.

Special thanks go to my two young assistants in the media center.

:-)
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Davegess
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Looks like Geoff had some sort of problem, his lap times went to hell on the last 4 laps or so. He had a shot at 8th until that happened.

Top speed is up a lot, he was almost 18 mph slower than the fast guys at RA now he is 9. Moving in the right direction.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Party at EBear's place!!!! ....... Break out the pink flamingos.
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Fireboltwillie
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
from ebr's facebook page:

ý11th and 10th first time out. Bike was very solid and reliable, but we waaay underestimated the difficulty of set up with the extra 25 lbs of weight strapped on. Today with all that weight and some chassis changes we made trying to compensate for it (which included running a soft rear tire), we destroyed the tire mid race, and Geoff had to slow way down. We'll try to get some more testing before Laguna.
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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
So the extra weight is to keep them from competing with the big inlines.....
That was my point i guess. Seems fair.

So you guys know why ducati isnt in the series? Motor to big? They know its a inline series?

Nice job Geoff!
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Americanmadexb
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
If Kawi ever dumps JD Beach, he would be a great addition to the Erik Buell Racing team!!
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Thanks for all the hard work and hospitality from everyone, Court and the Erik Buell Racing team made it a very special event for my family!
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Photoshop.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
(Busted! Actually, it was The Gimp, my old version of photoshop won't run on my new windows 7 machine, and I try to avoid giving Adobe any more money for their powerful but always tragically flawed products).
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Doerman
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I've been the far flung representative of this rag tag band of E.B.R. supporters by wearing the May 99 shirt on the beach in Portugal this weekend.

Just reading the result and hoped for more (just being honest here). I see that good data has been collected. That is invaluable. Before the sun sets on the 2011 AMA season, I predict a podium for Geoff and the 1190.


Go!!

By he way, Reep... Is that Stephanelli I see in the picture with your daughter on the 1190?

(Message edited by doerman on July 10, 2011)
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Toona
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
By he way, Reep... Is that Stephanelli I see in the picture with your daughter on the 1190?

Yes, that is Tony in that picture. I had a chance to chat with him before the races on Sunday. What a cool guy.

I also got to talk to a personal friend of mine that's on the Kawi team.... I'm guessing the Motul electronics on JD Beach's bike have a price tag close to or equal to what the 1190RS complete bike cost. JD's bike, or so I was told from the same friend puts out 220hp at the crank and 207 at the rear wheel. Add to that the traction control, input from the suspension potentiometers, GPS signals, electronic down shifters, etc JD should be doing much better than he is. Add all that "stuff" to the 1190RS, woooo baby. It was cool to watch Geoff actually foot shift the bike going down the pit strait and watching the rear tire/suspension move when the torque was applied.
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Noone1569
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
+1 on Tony being a great guy.

I met him at the Craftsman Experience in Chicago, and he chatted me up about the 1190rs for about 45 minutes. Tony was extremely excited about the bike, and I enjoyed learning all about the process of designing and engineering it.

Fastforward to yesterday at Mid-Ohio. I walked up to the Erik Buell Racing garage, and Tony looked at me and said "A lot has changed on it since you saw it in Chicago. How was the ride from Indianapolis."

I'm amazed by Erik Buell Racing every chance I get to interact with the guys. I'm sure Tony has had 100,000,000 things going on since the Craftsman experience, but he instantly recognized me and picked up where we left off on conversation.

Erik Buell Racing customer for life here.
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Court
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Tony . . like so many of The Elves and Buell owners . . is an amazing guy in his own right.

The next time you see him . . prod him for information on his "pre-Buell" racing experience.

Like Abe and about 14 others . . . the more you learn of his story and his background the more amazing it gets.

For me?

The fact that Tony, like Geoff, will stop whatever he is doing, not matter how busy he is . . when he sees a kids eyes light up looking at the bike and take a couple minutes to make sure the day is one they'll remember vividly 20 years hence.

Tony is an exceeding bright person, that's important to Erik.

But to me . . I continue to be amazed at what genuinely nice folks him and Geoff are.

Those of you who meet Geoff's folks at the races will understand.

The motorcycles are neat, the people are amazing.

Court
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Yes, that's him, one of many great people wearing Amsoil shirts last weekend.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Dave,

I wish the top speed were up a lot, but the 1125R clocked similar trap speeds in last years Mid Ohio event.

http://results.amaproracing.com/live/results/pdfre sults/rr/2010/06-midohio/sbr2ind.pdf

From race 2 at Road America this year and also last year, it looks like Geoff on the 1125RR was suffering roughly the same deficit, 10 MPH.

http://results.amaproracing.com/xml/rr/events/R112 0/sbf2ind.pdf

http://results.amaproracing.com/live/results/pdfre sults/rr/2010/05-roadamerica/sbr2ind.pdf

Seems like Erik Buell Racing are being very conservative with their new engine, not at all a bad idea in my view.
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Snowscum
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Thats what I thought Blake. Thats why I was asking if they added more weight than the 1125. I would of thought their trap speed would of been highter.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Geoff's max trap speed at Mid Ohio this year was 173.5 MPH during Sunday morning warm-up; that speed is significantly better than last year's on the 1125RR. But it appears to be a statistical outlyer as he didn't make that speed during the race. Perhaps the cooler air during Sunday morning's warm up session aided the engine compared to the warmer race conditions that afternoon.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Who knows? I don't. It's all just speculation.

What I do know: Better aerodynamics and more powerful engine will benefit top speed and acceleration. It will happen. Stay tuned. : )
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Firstbuell
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Geoff on the 1190RS [from "Cycle News"]:

http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20110712# pg57
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Jimidan
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
"No, but the twins do suffer an inexplicable 10 LB weight penalty."

It is inexplicable especially when the twins (KTM included) are 10 MPH slower in the straightaways than the top IL-4s. There were 8 IL-4's that were slower than the 1190 down the back straight at Mid-Ohio though...but isn't that always the way it is? Even with the rules that supposedly make for parity, there is a big difference in straight line speed. The Buell was carrying a 20 pound block of lead under the seat. Ridiculous...but a correctable error. Let's get this corrected by the next race.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
jimi - 25lb.
But yes, it really is not fair that twins have the extra weight, I do feel that they should be equal weights
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70rsss
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Having to add weight is a great thing……means you can maximized your performance by being right on the weight limit. That being said you have to be smart about where to place the weight and bolting 25# under the seat doesn’t seem too smart to me? This needs to be mounted as low as possible under the engine if you can to reduce the center of gravity (CG). What Erik Buell Racing needs is a heavy exhaust can and mount bracket. Just saying.
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Sparky
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Don't be saying.

If you are thinking a heavy exhaust can and mount bracket is to be mounted under the engine to make up a 25 lb differential, that would be counterproductive because it puts a concentrated mass away from the cg of the bike. That is not smart. The end result would be a bike that is more difficult to steer in extreme transitions from left to right and vice versa than if the mass were located as close as possible to the center of the bike's cg. Do you understand why? The answer involves physics and moment of inertia principles.

I'm saying let the engineers figure it out. They know the bike and what it can do. We'd be just guessing. Capice?
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70rsss
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Lets see you can either put the weight on the CG or you could put it below the CG which will lower the said CG. Making it handle better.....I am an engineer! Been building race cars and bikes for 25 years.
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Xb1125r
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
thanks for the pics, I can't wait for NJ,I'll be there supporting the Erik Buell Racing team.
99 , you the man
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Trojan
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 06:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Sparky is spot on dead right. Bikes are not the same as cars in relation to weight and CofG.
If you mount weight too low you get a bike that is difficult to turn and steer quickly and that wants to understeer everywhere and run straight on under braking.
This is why rider weight and weight transfer are so much more important on bikes tan in car racing.
It may seem counter intuitive to put weight higher up, but that will aid steering and weight transfer under braking.
Ducati found that raising ride height by a relatively huge 20mm improved turning and front end feel of their GP bike this year for instance.
The optimum place for placing weight these days (assuming that the bike is good to begin with of course) would be directly under the seat and just above the normal CofG. This is one of themain reasons why most WSB and GP bikes have their fuel tanks repositioned to that location.
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
It is entertaining here and on E B Racing's Facebook page to read all the armchair engineers "solving" Erik's weight problem for him.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Scott (70rsss),

>>> or you could put it below the CG which will lower the said CG. Making it handle better.....

A lower CG can make a motorcycle more difficult to turn. Centralized mass is always good, but a lower CG, not so much.
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Jyhfeei
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Does anyone know if a more aggressive motor setup is going to be used at Laguna Seca? From talking to Geoff @ Miller, the 1125RR has higher performance cams than the stock 1190RS. Seems like these cams could be used now.

(Message edited by Jyhfeei on July 17, 2011)
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Gregtonn
Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 02:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Blake is absolutely correct about getting the CG/CM too low.

Super low CG/CM may work great for cars but, consider how motorcycles change direction. Especially in quick esses or chicanes.

Rule for motorcycles:
If your weeble won't wobble it won't turn.
(You gotta lean if you wanna make it around that corner on a two wheeler.)


G
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Ebear
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EXIT POST FOR THIS THREAD...OHIO , 2011
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