| Author | Message | ||
     Finedaddy1 |
Will Mid Ohio be the first race? | ||
| Clk92vette |
That seems to be the $64,000 question. If it is, I will be there. I don't know if it can top my last trip when I witnessed Eslick's bump pass in the esses on the last lap to win the Daytona Sportbike Race on his 1125R. But I am willing to find out. | ||
| Thurstonbuell |
What are the possible dates ??? | ||
| Clk92vette |
July 8, 9, 10. | ||
| 1125rz |
when i was at sear point i asked geoff mays team when they were going to run the 1190,they said eric buell has to sell 35+(i think) before they can race the 1190 | ||
| Trbulnt |
Another post somewhere on this board a statement was made that all 100 1190's are spoken for. All we can do is speculate and hope that the bike will debut soon. I say that whenever it does debut it will cause much commotion and disbelief. as Court would say...these are exciting times! | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
I would like to know, a trip to Mid-Ohio could be in my future.... | ||
| Evc17 |
If you do that Tweeter thing, I guess you can ask him/them. http://www.erikbuellracing.com/race-team/  | ||
| Ponti1 |
In case anyone missed it on the racing section, Geoff May posted to Facebook around an hour ago that the 1190RS will race at Mid-Ohio!! | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Don't expect podiums right out of the box. Seems to be there is a pretty big gap between 1-3, 4-9, 10-rest of the pack. As Geoff seem to be the leader of the last pack, I would deem it very successful if he could run with the second pack and extremely successful if he could get to the front of the second pack. | ||
| Rde48 |
I have no doubt Geoff is capable as is that 1190RS capable of running up front with the leaders. Sounds like we can all see how well they can do the first time out next weekend. | ||
| Imonabuss |
I am with Fresno. There is major money and track time in the top three. Those are extremely exotic, expensive and refined bikes. I am sure people will moan or mock if the bike isn't in the top three, but to anyone who actually knows the AMA Superbike paddock,anywhere solid in the second group would actually be an amazing result for a first outing. | ||
| S21125r |
Here's my take... 1190 based on the 1125 DNA. Yes very few parts are in common but the architecture is the same. Proven frame design/geometry - check. Proven brake design - check. Proven engine design (even when rung out) - check. I think much of what was learned with the 1125 will carry over directly so I don't expect the learning curve will be steep at all. Now add in a significant horsepower increase and an improvement in suspension compliance and I don't a think a podium is all that far fetched. | ||
| Blake |
>>> the architecture is the same. Not so much. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Wheels different - check Suspension different - check Electronics different - check Seating position and aerodynamics different - check Lack of testing - check Lack of budget - check I see a lot of differences evident in the photos, and in the testing development time for the race package. No way is it a magic podium unless a few guys fall off. I'd be completely shocked. Happy but shocked. | ||
| S21125r |
"Not so much" Curious to hear more of your thoughts Blake. Because very few parts will retrofit? I see the frame, engine, & brakes as evolution of what we've already seen. Not belittling what the elves done at all as it sounds like they touched almost every part front to back. In fact I think it's smart engineering to start with a proven product and apply lessons learned as opposed to reinventing the wheel. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
ill bet that next year they take the championship. Jake | ||
| Elvis |
I'll be VERY happy with a solid 7th place finish in at least one of the two races. T. Hayden, Hayes and Young are pretty much the best of the best and Geoff will need a lot of work to break into that elite group. Cardenas is beginning to break into that group and now that he has some experience on the bigger bike, he looks to be a force. Then You've got Bostrom and R. Hayden - two great riders on a great team. That gives you six riders that are going to be very tough to beat, so coming in at 7 behind that group will be great in my opinion. And even then, he'll have to beat Rapp and Pegram. I think Geoff needs to shoot for beating or at least running with Rapp and Pegram initially then set his sites on the Jordan riders before worrrying about Cardenas, Hayes, Young and T. Hayden. But with the 1190, this should at least be the beginning of the beginning!!  | ||
| Jens |
Good to see that somebody pull the brake. Since months I feel sorry for Geoff, that the community thinks he just need to get that 1190 and kick AMA Pro Teams asses. Stay realistic, these Pro Teams budgets are far, far away what Erik Buell Racing can spent at moment. Yes the Erik Buell Racing 1190 will be quicker than his bike now and it can be a base for better place finishs. But a podium with all the other riders on board will be this year under normal circumstances not possible. The 1190 rollout at Mid-Ohio can be the start of a 3 year masterplan with dataacquistion and detaildevelopment (incl. a first podium) in 2012, frequently podiums in 2013 and a try to get the AMA SBK Championship in 2014. Earlier success would surprise me, but Erik had surprised me from time to time before, so I am more than happy if I am wrong (-: Good luck Erik Buell Racing and Geoff May | ||
| Mickeyq |
Just my opinion, but Geoff has tremendous talent, a level head and the heart of a champion. Jumping on the 1190 could be that little detail which will take him to the next plateau. I would not demand a podium from this combination now, but I do believe it will happen sooner than anyone expects it! | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Agreed Mickeyq, and from my perspective seeing him in person here at Millers and watching every race on TV, he can and has run right with the very best in SB, many times being ahead of them, at least until he gets out horsepowered. DO NOT count him out so quick; he is an experienced rider and I rarely see mistakes that gets him into trouble or makes his riding a concern to the other riders. I believe he will be up front fairly quickly. Go Geoff & Erik Buell Racing! | ||
| Guy_glover |
What Bob said  | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Bob - I dont think anyone is counting him out, we all know he is a skilled racer and many others have recognized that as well - other racers and members of various media. But the fact remains that this is a brand new motorcycle, it'll have teething problems, they are years behind development of the other teams etc etc I wouldnt be surprised to see a fifth at MidOhio, and MAYBE a podium this season if everything works out perfectly - like the rain at Barber they had last year where the mech grip gave them a very clear advantage. No, no one is thinking low of May, Buell, or the entire E*B*R crew, it is just having realistic views on it. I think Jens is on to something with his three year plan, seems very realistic. Gives time to develop the bike more and more and dial in adjustments for certain tracks and so on. It is very exciting to see this next chapter in the Buell history unfold. I am really anxious to see how it goes next weekend and the rest of this season. Good luck to the entire crew | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
All I know is we are gonna see some great racing at mid ohio!  | ||
| Mickeyq |
I think their is a good bit of R/D and actual race development already done. "Four in a row, Erik Buell Racing 1190īs unbeatable weekend"...I am thinking of the incredible success that Pegasus has had with the 1190. So much so, that Ducati brought an ex-world champ, Chili, to challenge them and then he wanted to know more about the 1190. Here is the link to their latest post: http://pegasusraceteam.com/html/festival_italia_20 11.html Success to them and to the Erik Buell Racing AMA push!! | ||
| Court |
>>>anywhere solid in the second group would actually be an amazing result for a first outing. I think my "performance metric" is metered progress. Geoff's greatest weapon, in my personal opinion, are the skills he's been forced to develop to perform as well as he has with a significant horsepower advantage. He's proven to be a smart and calculating rider with the ability to see the race several laps into the future and to plan and execute a strategy that works. More horsepower, along with some of the other elements the 1190RS brings are certainly welcome arrows to the quiver . . but I'm going with the "Indian not the arrow" thinking. I remain impressed with Geoff's riding, more impressed with what a nice person and class act him and his entire family are and most impressed with what a capable ambassador he is for Erik Buell Racing. See you in Ohio. Court | ||
| Jdugger |
> ill bet that next year they take the championship. What's your wager? Let's be realistic. The pinnacle of competition in the AMA is a combination of world-class rider talent, excellent funding, and tremendous team and machine experience. They aren't going to be easy to beat. Let's get a series of top-5 finishes in place, maybe a podium, and be tremendously proud of those boys for what truly has been a herculean effort. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
All agreed guys, and one last observation; won't it be nice to see a v-twin back in the AMA Superbike series AND with the H.P. and rider to be competitive. Only downside for me is, I wanted to see Erik Buell Racing kicking some red Italian butt. Harald Kitsch is doing that for Jens in Europe. Nice! Geoff came close several times being ahead of Larry Pegram on the 1125RR when Larry was on a Duc. YA! Mid-Ohio, here we come and the gloves are off! | ||
| Court |
>>>>excellent funding Be mindful that MOST the teams there are spending in the $100,000's each week. Erik Buell Racing is being funded out of Erik Buell's personal account . . as are the wages of 30 employees. I hope for nothing more than that they do the absolute best they can. Like Erik Buell Racing or hate them I think we are witnessing the epitome of an American success story. How many, among your number, would . . at age 61, literally bet the entire farm? I can't wait to see not only how the racing effort goes but how the company goes. I've placed to substantial wagers of my own on how many bikes Erik Buell Racing will sell.  But . . I didn't bet my entire retirement. There are a lot of really nice, really dedicated folks at Erik Buell Racing. I wish them nothing but the best. See you in Ohio. | ||
| Zacks |
Is it just me or does anyone else think that should Erik Buell Racing and Geoff have an immediate podium finish there would be howling for the AMA to change some rules? Or a reopening of the 'cheater' bike claims? |
