| Author | Message | ||
     Dannybuell |
The new website looks great. I was going to order another ECM. Hoping that I could make some ECM stipulations in the ordering process but there was no place for comments. I was tempted to put the stipulation list into the extra address line but I didn't. I want to get this correct the first time and not do the back and forth Mambo with re-flashes like last time. I sent an Email on 11/06/07 with no answer yet. | ||
| Court |
I do know that they will not do "custom flashes" of ECMs. Perhaps that answers your question. You didn't say what "stipulations" you were taking about. If you did write be certain to be concise and complete. I was watching Erik answer e-mails at 2am about 2002 Sportsters that "ran funny". They get to all of them but there are literally hundreds coming in a day . . . many unrelated to Buell. I tried to tell him that it wasn't up to him to help everyone that had a motorcycle problem unrelated to a Buell in the world . . . he doesn't listen to me. | ||
| Dannybuell |
I want completely stock with Barker fueling only. | ||
| Levor |
Yeah I was actually wondering about this. Does the ECM come with the reduced engine braking or the stock (read dropping an anchor when you cut throttle)braking? I'm scurred I won't like the reduced engine braking and was concerned that if I wanted to keep it stock I'd have no way of specifying that when I bought the ECM. | ||
| Syonyk |
Don't worry about the reduced engine braking. It feels weird for about a week then you get used to it. | ||
| J_copeland |
Engine braking is overrated !!! | ||
| Dannybuell |
They did a reflash on the last one about a year ago. I had asked for 'drop anchor' stock IAC of which I got about 85% of stock. Very nice that way. I sold the last Erik Buell Racing ECM when the stator went out. I was planning a CR exit when I had a change of heart. Engine braking gives a wealth of road feel before the need arises. The front brake finds the line, now you need to lean into it. Losing the line with understeer? a little less throttle translates into oversteer. If I'm still understeering I will brake more. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
I agree with Dannybuell. If you like engine braking, order the ECM with it set to "stock" levels. There is no good reason to try to train yourself to ride "around" reduced engine braking if you don't want to. My EB R ECM came with the reduced engine braking and I absolutely hated it. I would have taken the stock ECM over the reduced-engine-braking EB R ECM. I sent it back and got it reflashed, and now I'm happy with it. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Levor - To simulate reduced engine braking with a stock ECM hold the throttle open a very small bit to simulate the inadvertent dieseling this 'race' setting creates. Use the brakes more and downshift to higher RPMs in an effort to lose the dieseling. When trail braking isn't working with all that dieseling? Pull the clutch in and like magic you get the brakes back. Do I want to brake against a dieseling engine? No thanks. | ||
| Jdugger |
Danny, Your posts on this topic just scare me. The motor isn't dieseling... if I hit the kill switch it quits just fine. And, the brakes WILL stop the bike, trail braking isn't impacted; in fact, it's improved because the rear end isn't stepping out so easily. You aren't braking... you are coasting hoping the motor will slow you. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Jdugger - I see what you mean, thought dieseling was the right word. The residual power at zero throttle in the lower 1/2 of the RPM range is what I am trying to address. I know none of this <5K RPM stuff makes sense, you are a racer. Oftentimes at these lower RPMs you can be braking against the engine. It had happened to me many times, I would pull the clutch in and regain braking control. I did NOT want to be: ----pulling the clutch in at the last part of entry to regain braking control. ----downshifting to much higher RPM to get a little decel. | ||
| Dannybuell |
The 'Second Notice' idea seems to work. Michael Richter at Erik Buell Racing got back to me last night. I was instructed to order online and that emails will be used as special instructions pages until the web order system gets sorted! | ||
| Froggy |
Why are you braking without pulling in the clutch? That is just a recipe for a wreck if you stall the motor. I really never understood this issue you had with the IAC, both of my bikes slow down when I let off the throttle, regardless of RPM. Not as fast as they did with the stock ECM, but it sure is nothing dangerous assuming you know how to ride. It makes the bikes feel more like automatic transmission cars, it is fantastic. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Some of the automatic transmission cars had you braking against the transmission too. The Eagle Premier's ZF transaxle was famous for that. | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
I always enjoy the engine braking discussions, almost as much as the need (or not) to denoid. If we all rode the same way, and had the exact same preferences, wouldn't it just be easier  But since we don't, I like the different perspectives. I also like (and retained!) the off-throttle engine braking, and disabled the throttle solenoid with a resistor before I found and installed the E B R unit. I'm kind of old school - If the money is coming out of your wallet, you should order what you prefer. I also don't try to persuade Catholics to become Jewish, or vice versa. To each their own! Mike | ||
| Ohsoslow |
i dont pull the clutch in while im braking unless im coming to a stop or changing gears. | ||
| Zac4mac |
"Why are you braking without pulling in the clutch?" - Froggy Really? I do that all the time. Sometimes I shift gears, up and down without the clutch too. I lost some engine braking but don't miss it much, I just down-shift more and sooner. It's not like I have to ride the brake to ride in dense traffic, off-throttle slows, slowly. Z | ||
| Fresnobuell |
i dont pull the clutch in while im braking unless im coming to a stop or changing gears. A much as the Erik Buell Racing ECM helps the on/off throttle transitions, at lower RPMs I like to use the clutch and get the revs up a bit--then feed the power by letting the clutch out (exactly like what we do when we launch the bike from a standing start.) I feel it's way smoother, safer and faster. I figured this is how everyone rides? | ||
| Dannybuell |
I specifically asked for and was assured I would get it 'my way' for my CR w/Barker. I asked for stock except for fueling. I got no Cold engine light, no Clutch idle step up, no engine braking. Erik Buell Racing was NOT paying attention to my emails. Second day out I am trying to get used to 'no engine braking'. Lots of downshifting engine braking sort of starts at about 4000 rpm. Downshifts are easier thats for sure. I end up using the front brake more without engine braking. Caught in traffic in mid 80's voltage drops below 12.0 volts and the battery light comes on. I have been shifting at higher RPM's to avoid this condition but it does not seem to help. The stock ECM doesn't drop to low voltage/battery light status in traffic. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Just back from another ride same urban route as previous post. The weather is about 10 degrees cooler and the traffic is lighter. The battery light still goes on. It was a very weak restart, my heart sank on the first try. It rose a bit when it caught on second try. On my second stop after one hour it started better but was still weak. When I got home the OEM went back in. I am going to repeat this urban route with the OEM tomorrow and report back. Just read a very nice detailed response from Michael at Erik Buell Racing they can do the ECM as requested but don't have time to do it now. Michael also stated "The ECM has no other impact to the charging system at all. It could simply be a precursor that your rotor, and/or voltage regulator are going bad." | ||
| Bextreme04 |
I have to agree with him.. I just put my Erik Buell Racing ECM and Keda RT-3 in last week and i have just slightly less engine braking, and my voltage never went below 13.7 even at idle with both fans running and 190 degree coolant temps. Granted i was having system overvoltage errors so installed an FH0012 regulator but still.... doesn't seem to be the ECM to me. It's an 09' R with 4500 miles on it and the harness upgrade. When i removed the stock regulator the harness upgrade wires looked fine but the regulator wires were almost totally brown. I put several hundred miles on it after the regulator, ECM, exhaust install, almost all of it around town below 5,000 rpm and never had a problem. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Bextreme04 THX. I'll look at my regulator. | ||
| Dannybuell |
stock ECM/Barker: Nice ride today same ride as the my first CEL (check engine light) sys error P1047 a couple of weeks ago. it happened again. The darn electrical system stays up with stock ECM/Barker but gets CEL lights when zipping around the country side at 5000-6000 rpm. The race ECM takes care of the CEL light but gives a low battery light. The race module/low battery light makes going out into the Oregon countryside for a Sunday ride a scary proposition. The 'something in your system is failing' from E-B-R is the same answer I got last year when I had the same issue. I have put 8K miles on the bike since then with the stock ECM and no system voltage issues or electrical failures. There should be an race ECM option where 100% of the OEM electrical demands; the fans going on at stock temperatures, the stator harness relay triggering algorithm, things like that. (Message edited by dannybuell on June 27, 2011) | ||
| Dannybuell |
Erik Buell Racing just got back to me: I’ve sent this to a colleague for a further detailed answer. He was the lead powertrain integration engineer, and completed the OE calibrations. Thanks, Michael | ||
| Court |
>>>He was the lead powertrain integration engineer, and completed the OE calibrations. Smart dude too . . . | ||
| Dannybuell |
The warmer weather is bringing more frequent P1047s with Barker, stock ECM. I have a 12K valve check service coming up. The stock muffler may have to go back on so the dealer will have no excuse for getting the bike back together and running properly. I would prefer to have Erik's ECM and a Barker running well when I go in for my 'no more warranty' 12K mile service. I have my fingers crossed that I won't have to put that darn factory muffler back on. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Dan Hurda? |
