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Swoop
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2011 - 07:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is there an easy way to get at the frame without taking the motor out 100%.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2011 - 07:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have read a post describing the installation of insulating material without engine removal. You would have to cut the material into manageable sections and use a flat stick to poke it into position. Sounded like too much fun for me.
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1_mike
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2011 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Removal...no.

I did mine the first time I adjusted the valves, with the engine..rotated.
Plenty easy just rotated down.

Though I'd guess you "could" maybe get most everything covered, I'd doubt you could get the whole thing...unless you were really serious about it, and have small hands..!

Mike
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Swoop
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2011 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Any helpful hints on how to rotate it down??
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Skntpig
Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Get a service manual and there is a whole section with step by step instructions and pictures.
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V8killr
Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To get good adhesion my hint is to make sure the bonding surface is VERY clean. Isopropyl alcohol if not provided in the kit, can't recall if it is, is a great way to insure a clean surface; that’s what we used during testing.

Jason
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Luisemilio25r
Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you want to do a good install on the insulation and you are adjusting the valves, do your self a favor and remove the frame. I cleaned mine with alcohol and covered the whole inside with insulation 6 or 7 months ago and everything is in it's place still. Plus the valve adjustment without the frame there is easy and painless. If you can, take the headers to get ceramic coated. Yesterday at 92 degrees f I still felt the heat but my frame was cool enough to not only touch it but hold my hand against it and no get burned. My coolant temp was 214f. It did help a lot. Before the insulation and the ceramic coating, at those temps I could not hold my hand against the frame for more than 3 seconds without feeling pain.
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Anakist
Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is everyone using for frame insulation? Just adhesive backed foil stuff? Or is there something better? Nearly time for my 10 000km service and I think I will insulate the frame while the engine is rotated for valve check.

I keep toying with the idea of getting the frame ceramic coated too...

James
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Dannybuell
Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anon (somebody at Erik Buell Racing) recommends;

http://www.aerogel.com/
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Anakist
Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do they make adhesive backed Aerogel? Or does it have to be stuck on some other way? Is there a how to or anything else floating around?

Thanks.

James
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Mhpalin
Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey guys Aerogel iis the new American Sport BikeESTOS,when we use it at work we use the same PPE as when we remove American Sport BikeESTOS.Resporators disposable coverals gloves be carfull how you use this stuff.
Mike
Flame away if you like it is your health,I am a Insulator with 30 years exp.
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Billp
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 08:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just ordered the frame insulation stuff from american sport bike but I have no idea how I'm going to get it on the bike !

I was thinking of cutting some paper templates as a dry run but it didn't even cross my mind about rotating the motor to get to the frame.

I have the book but I've never done that and I'm probably too chicken to do it, but should I give it a try ? I can do basic car/bike maint. but nothing too crazy. Whats involved in rotating the motor ? Kinda worried that I might f**k something up.
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Boohoo
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You may want to think about insulating the bottom of the air box to slow down heat soak. I will be doing both the frame and the air box when the time comes for valve check.
I may do the air box sooner.
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Boohoo
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I found a pic of the air box on my kingquad It sits right over the engine just like our Buells

air box


(Message edited by boohoo on May 09, 2011)
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