| Author | Message | ||
     Mnviking |
More than once I've heard of people getting their headers ceramic coated to help with heat management on their Uly. Would using heatwrap be effective as well? | ||
| Uly_dude |
I would think so, yeah. I once had heat wrap on my XR600 and it cracked my head pipe though, the damn thing got so hot. So now I'm alittle leary of using it..... | ||
| Uly_man |
A free flowing can will get the gases away faster and help cooling as will a well run in engine. In your location I would say a R/H scoop is a must and maybe, like the newer bikes, a bigger oil cooler matrix would help as well. All of this also cuts fan run time/battery drain. The ceramic coating is liked for the protection the OEM can but the headers are SS. | ||
| Blk_uly |
When I rapped my headers, I noticed a big difference in the amount of heat radiating up from the motor while at stop lights. I also made the bike ping a little more than usual. All though I also noted that it seemed "quieter" since less valve noise was able to echo through the pipes. this may have contributed to me being able to here the pinging more pronounced. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
I've had both in the past, and now only have ceramic coating. Both are effective but the coating is considerably more so. Also, the wrap will need redone every 2 or 3 years as it deteriorates fairly rapidly depending on the elements it's exposed to. Ceramic coating basically lasts forever with no required maintenance. | ||
| Dfishman |
I have wrapped pipes in the past.There is a paint available to spray on after it is wrapped that extends life.Regular High heat paint does the same thing and it's cheaper. | ||
| Mnviking |
Probably with my next paycheck I'm going to get the comfort kit from Americansportbike, unless someone can talk me out of it?? I'm sure that will make a big difference in how hot my rear cylinder gets. | ||
| Eternalbiker |
I like my comfort kit, I like it even better with the ECM update. I had them update the ECM while they were replacing my Fuel pump under warranty so no charge. I put a lot of miles on the comfort kit before the ECM update. It seems cooler with the update, but I'll know more about it this summer. It's suppose to just be fan control, but it really seems to make a difference. I would have gladly paid for the update knowing what I do now. However I'm looking at getting the Erik Buell Racing ECM now LOL JC | ||
| Mnviking |
Thanks EB. Did you buy your comfort kit from American Sport Bike? | ||
| Eternalbiker |
Got it off Ebay I think, cause it was just a little bit cheaper. But American Sport Bike should be a nice secure choice  | ||
| Bonbri93 |
I have the comfort kit and my pipes wrapped and the most difference came from the pipe wrap. The comfort kit if anything seems to direct the heat worse onto my leg?? When this pipe wrap wears out, my last one only wore out when I wrecked and the bike slid across the asphalt, I will definitely look into the ceramic coating. | ||
| Mnviking |
the comfort kit if anything seems to direct the heat worse onto my leg?? I've heard nothing but rave reviews to the comfort kit. Now you're make me doubt the purchase.  | ||
| Andymnelson |
so....hundreds and thousands of rave reviews, and 1 guy says it directs the heat onto his leg and you are second guessing the purchase? Nonsense. | ||
| Mnviking |
Good point. Just thought there might be more from where he came from. Don't want to drop $150 on something that's just a gimmick. Now since they became stock on the later Uly's I figured there has to be something to them. | ||
| Griffmeister |
That claim of directing more heat onto the leg doesn't sound right. If you look at the new parts on the outside of the bike, all you've added are a scoop and heat shield. Neither of these could direct hot air outwards to your leg. I'm wondering if the increased airflow over the rear cyl. is sending hot air out of that damned opening in the frame which lets hot air escape through the gap between seat and frame. Now that will give you a hot leg and most people use some method to seal the gap. | ||
| Andymnelson |
perhaps if you just installed the scoop and not the whole comfort kit? The comfort kit does not allow any air to escape under the seat like it used to- it includes a new fan shroud that directs the hot air to the back. I can see it making your leg hotter if just the scoop was installed, but that's not the engineers fault, it's the fault of the installer for not buying/installing the whole kit. | ||
| Uly_dude |
ya that fan shroud stops all air flow through those gaps under the seat. When done right it's a tight seal. Before I bought my comfort kit, I bought those plastic inserts that snap in between the seat and the tail rails, they were like $25 new. When I installed the comfort kit I discovered those weren't needed anymore cause no air is moving through those gaps now. Too bad, waste of $25. I also decided I could move the bank angle sensor back to it's original spot now that the heat issue under the seat is gone. This allows more room for tools n things in the tail section and not worrying about bumping into that little sucker. Not cool. | ||
| Uly_man |
Mnviking. You will always get some heat off the r/h header pipe, can, engine and even the frame as the engine heats it up from the inside out. Its the nature of the bike but it is not a problem in the long run. The comfort kit was not around when I first had my bike and I fitted a aftermarket r/h scoop, which is bigger than the HD one, and helped a lot. A Remus can also helped as well. I now find that with 15k on the bike the fan does not come on much, unless I run it hard, and an hour in 30C London traffic it is fine as well. No hot leg, bum etc or engine problems. Ceramic coating is designed to keep the heat from getting through whatever it is covering and works very well. You would need to rotate the engine to remove the headers and be aware of the cost of having them coated as its not cheap. It does work and it looks nice as well. The trick is to understand how the engine cooling system works. Air, oil then fan (stage one slow then stage two fast) and if the engine is very hot ignition spark skipping to stop over heating. I think it is best to stop the problem at source. Air first with a r/h scoop and then oil with a bigger matrix if your in a very hot part of the world. With 1700 miles on my bike I had glowing headers and a very hot ride but now it almost the same as any other bike. | ||
| Mnviking |
Thank you gentlemen. My biggest concern really isn't my own comfort. If personal comfort is really important to someone, they probably shouldn't ride a motorcycle to begin with. That's what convertibles are for. I just want to make sure that I'm doing my best to take care of my bike. Especially since Buell isn't made anymore, anything I can do to extend the life of my bike I'm going to do it. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
I've purposefully installed the side "inserts" along with all parts of the comfort kit except for the fan shroud. With the tall seat, the heat is bearable in the summer time, and very welcome during the winter season. With the stock '09 seat, heat was damn near unbearable in the summer time. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
The only part I did use was the shroud. Already had a RSS that came with some highway bars I bought. And am using a heat shield from a road king, that fits and adds just a little chrome  | ||
| Tiltcylinder |
Mnviking, put a bit of automotive weatherstrip along the top of the frame where the seat meets it. Was by far the best bang for the buck mod to beat the heat. I found blowtorch like air comming out of that gap at certain speeds. Of course I've added the Erik Buell Racing ecm with the latest flash, comfort kit, wrapped the headpipes, insulated the inside of the right hand tank/frame, switched to the tall seat and insulated that as well. Now my only complaint is that it doesn't warm up the tank and seat when it's cold outside... | ||
| Mnviking |
I guess we can't win all the time?! Thanks for the tip. Do they sell that stuff auto-part stores, or is this something I'm going to have to look harder for? | ||
| Griffmeister |
I don't know what kind of comfort kit some people are buying but the fan shroud in mine only covered the rear shock area. The rear cyl. head is still fully exposed through the frame right next to the gap in the seat. Yeah, I am using automotive foam type weatherstripping there. The only problem I have with that is it has a self-stick adhesive strip which starts to shift around on the frame when it gets hot. Does anyone know of a style that could attach to the seat instead? | ||
| Tiltcylinder |
Mnviking, I used the nice 'D' shaped weatherstrip (hollow inside, with the sticky portion on the flat). Of course I had a few feet left from a project at work... I don't really see a reason you couldn't use the self adhesive closed cell foam type, usually sold to insulate door jambs or A/C units in window installations (it's usually grey and feels a bit denser than the black open cell stuff)from a hardware store. I don't believe it'd melt or catch fire in an area like that. Although as Griffmeister said, the adhesive may soften with heat? As usual, I used what I had available. As far as attaching to the seat... what about car door jamb weatherstrip? It has a metal 'U' shaped bit that grabs the pinch weld/seam area. Might be able to grab the lower edge of the seat the same way. Worth a look through the local scrap yard to see what's available. |
