| Author | Message | ||
     T_man |
Researching Ducati's new Diavel spurned this question. I believe there is a market for this type of bike and E-B-R has a platform to build a pretty nasty road burner. What I am eluding to is something between the Diavel and Erik's own CR. Punch it out to 1190cc's, leave full power intact, kick out the rake and trail a few inches, lower it 2", move foot controls forward, ditch the clubman bars, slap on Pirelli's new 240 rear redo (& restyle) the rad-pods to incorporate ram-air into the airbox. This is what the public wants; an North American, bad-ass muscle bike thats comfortable, doesn't weigh a ton and handles. Erik & the team could probably conceptualize this bike overnight. A cheeky spin-off would be the sales this type of bike would pull from HD. Can you imagine the media coverage this bike would garner? Its a win-win the way I see it. | ||
| Tippster |
So basically you want him to clone the V-Rod? | ||
| D_adams |
Sure, but at nearly 1/2 the weight and almost twice the power. What's not to like about it? Stock v-rods put down maybe 115 hp at the wheel? Add that to a 700+ lb sled. Chop off a couple hundred lbs and add 70+ hp. Lol. That might be fun. | ||
| T_man |
The V-rod has missed my intended mark by a wide margin; it makes 110hp at the wheel and wieghs 638lbs wet. Bloated and underpowered for this market. Nuff said? | ||
| Tippster |
Gotcha, but don't you think that if there was a bigger "Sport Cruiser" market the V-Rod would have sold better or had been cloned/improved on already? Seems there's been a bike like that around for a while (V-Max.) IMHO Raked out front ends and "handling" don't go together. | ||
| T_man |
I'd humbly suggest you read a test on the new Ducati Tippster. For street riding - the Diavel should have adequate handling and lord knows; if it's one thing that E-B-R can do without fault - its making a motorbike handle. | ||
| Tippster |
Cool looking bike - we'll see how it sells. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
I wanna see a shoot out between the Diavel and the V-Max. | ||
| Dbolemiss |
Just looked at the write-up in Motor Cyclist. That thing looks pretty big and bad. As far as Erik Buell Racing getting into it,I say one thing at a time. Let them get the 1190 up and running. | ||
| Daniii |
Twice the power? Rear wheel HP in the (stock)1125 is about 118, Vs 109 on the V-Rod. Big weight advantage, of course. Put a Trask Turbo on the V and you get reliable 165HP at the rear wheel. | ||
| Court |
>>> it makes 110hp at the wheel and wieghs 638lbs wet. What a shame that the V-Rod ended up . . more than a motorcycle . . being a rolling example of what a committee can do to an otherwise good idea. I still have some of the confidential development books from it's infancy . . . it developed "creative cancer" when it got to 3700 Juneau. | ||
| D_adams |
Daniii -- the op was hoping for an 1190 powerplant, not the 1125. I think the 1190 is getting 180+ hp to the ground, naturally aspriated, no turbo or other gizmos. | ||
| Crabby |
180+ maby with some RAM Air calculated in. the 1198, before ram air, puts down some high 140s at the rear wheel. Numbers are numbers, if you cant back em up with what the power is at the rear wheel then... what does it really matter? | ||
| Father_of_an_era |
Sounds like that Honda DN-01 but your suggestions brings twice the displacement into the picture. Thought the Honda is a bit odd looking in my opinion, a version from Erik Buell Racing may be something to ponder. Interesting! | ||
| Drhodes1970 |
This idea would seriosly hurt HD if it was produced in quantity.It could be what the Vrod was supposed to be but wasn't. | ||
| Milt |
Court, I would love to see a few pictures of the V-Rod in its infancy. I think the V-Rod story from concept through committee bloat to its ultimate stillbirth would be fascinating. Additionally, it would be a great case study for business schools throughout the country. Too bad they'll never let you write it. | ||
| Duphuckincati |
Where's a chart of the V-Rods sitting for sale at dealers? | ||
| Froggy |
The 1190RR puts down 185hp at the wheel on a Dynojet. | ||
| D_adams |
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| T_man |
Thats what I am talking about! A huge fat power curve. Slap it in sub 500lb package thats comfortable, looks bad ass, handles and built by a company you your proud to back. V-Rod? Sorry, bloated and underpowered. Not to mention built by a brand whom I now personally disapprove of. Overwhelmingly. V-Max? Powers there, looks good, but tips the scales in the truck category. Handles as well as a truck could. Warrior? Nice try.. falls short most everywhere B-King? Handles, power is good, looks - umm - ok I guess. V-twin? Nope. Comfortable? Not quite there. Diavel? Check, check, check, looks? To each their own.. finally, it misses on the homegrown front. Manufacturers always compromise their initial intentions with either too little hp or too much weight... Except for Ducati, I believe there is room in this category for some homegrown talent. (Message edited by T_Man on February 07, 2011) | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
as for HP and the 1190, maybe Im off on this, but I thought that I read on here at one point (or maybe it was the CW article) that the B2 was going to have about 15hp more than the 1125, detuned a bit for the street. I believe that the 1190RR has 185rwhp, but I'd think a street version would have less to help keep some reliability. Court, please tell me Im wrong or back me on this I think a cruiser bike would be cool, but lets get the superbike first. And then a sport tourer  and then the dirtbike and THEN the cruiser | ||
| Elvis |
I think a cruiser bike would be cool, but lets get the superbike first. And then a sport tourer and then the dirtbike and THEN the cruiser I think my wish list would look something like: 1. Superbike 2. Lower cost version of superbike with less exotic components 3. Sport tourer with emphasis on sport - basically the Superbike with a slightly relaxed riding position, larger fairing and hard bags. 4. Middle-weight supersport 5. Naked version of superbike 6. Naked version of supersport 7. 1200 cc Adventure bike 8. Middleweight Adventure bike 9. Dirt-bike 10. Featherweight 450 cc single streetbike (modern take on a TZ 350) . . . . . . 347. Snowmobile . . . . . . 578. ATV . . . . . . 1843. Mini-van . . . . . . 3847. cruiser | ||
| T_man |
Hmmm.. I wonder if you added up numbers 1-10 and applied them against cruiser sales how they'd stack up? Don't get me wrong - I have always been an advocate of hardcore sportbikes, but a super cruiser might make sense in some respects. | ||
| Court |
I agree with that list with one exception . . . mini-van (and you can blame Mr. Buell . . . this is not my doing) should probably be moved up to #834. Remind me to tell you sometime . . . . Actually . . . it wasn't "general" min-van . . it was a rather focused "Dodge Caravan". | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
and a box of shoestrings... | ||
| Da_fraemda |
Hi, my personal taste of future E.B.R.-bikes will be bikes around the word "racing". So I will be very very lucky, if there will never be a E.B.R.-cruiser, E.B.R.-Vrod, E.B.R.-chopper or E.B.R.-Blast. Nothing against E.B.R.-dirtbikes, E.B.R.-streetsportbikes and E.B.R.-trackbikes. That all is no question of sales. It is a question about corporate images. Otherwise they can also produce deep-frozen orange-juice, which has a very big and stable business market. only my 2 Cents, Pascal (Message edited by da_fraemda on February 08, 2011) | ||
| T_man |
I get your point. And the 'R' in E-B-R presents a bit of a misnomer when considering a power cruiser. But honestly now; who doesn't like OJ?!  | ||
| Chessm |
im sure harley would love that. they get rid of buell for making bikes that dont match up with their core customers then he leaves and makes a cruiser. i'd like to see it just for the laughs. | ||
| Davegess |
Can't be a true "mini"-van. Needs to be able to haul a race bike and gear. | ||
| Oddball |
Team with Ford. Transit Connect Buell Edition. |
