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Jdugger
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 08:28 am: | 
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> who knew we'd be seeing claims on the internet that Buell uses brake disks made of a beryllium (highly toxic) alloy.
By a former Buell employee and platform director, no less! |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 08:34 am: |
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> I read each post, anonymous or not, and ascribe merit on my own grounds.
That turns out to be good advice.
Blake seems to have an issue with those that do exactly that and come to a different conclusion than he does. |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 10:31 am: |
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Jdugger - This site and its management may very well be a tool of Buell marketing management.
It should be no surprise that many social media sites purport to be independent yet are peppered with folks covertly representing the interests of their employer/sponsors.
I don't know if that is a fact here but i keep wondering why the anonymous function exists. What is the reason for anonymity? |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 10:39 am: |
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> This site and its management may very well be a tool of Buell marketing management.
Danny, honestly, I've seen nothing of the sort.
But, Blake does run a business. This site does produce a reasonable operating margin, and it's worth protecting as he sees fit, I'm sure.
Blake and I don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but I don't personally perceive any grand conspiracy.
I think he's just a fan of Buell bikes, and found a way to make a little money doing something he likes. I can't really blame him for protecting that, even if I don't like how he does it. |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 10:55 am: |
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Jdugger - I don't see any grand conspiracies. I just don't understand the need for anonymity. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 03:23 pm: |
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JD, Danny,
The following are meant to be rhetorical in nature, for your own consideration; no need to actually respond with answers. I ask that you try to consider the following:
What business concern or company do you work for?
Who are its most significant customers?
Who are some of its vital vendors?
Who are its most important corporate partners?
Would it be acceptable for you to join a discussion forum directly related to your employer's business or that of any of your employer's aforementioned vital associations (vendors, customers, partners) and commence openly/publicly providing advice concerning your product or that of your vital associates and participating in open public discussion? You really cannot see a vital need for protection from public recognition/identification and thus the ability to avoid endless continued debate, quotation attribution, etcetera?
It is an obvious justification if you understand the legal ramifications.
Ask your corporate general counsel. Check the terms of your employment contract/agreement to see if you are able to freely speak for the vital concerns of your employer or those of your employers most significant and vital associations (vendors, customers, partners).
If we want freely spoken, open advice and information from folks who are in a position to know first hand, then the anonymous option is vital. Without it, we won't get it. It is that simple.
Dannybuell,
>>> This site and its management may very well be a tool of Buell marketing management.
It isn't.
>>> I don't understand the need for anonymity.
That is obvious. If the above doesn't make the case, there's nothing else I can say. The simple fact is that without the anonymous feature, we wouldn't enjoy the flow of information from those who are in a position to know. They simply are not willing or legally permitted to risk serious legal entanglement or to subject themselves to the inevitable endless antagonistic trolling from jerks on the internet, and I don't blame them one bit. If you were in their shoes, you'd likely arrive at the exact same conclusion.
They have work to do; they have customers to support, they have vendors to protect, they have partners and associates to maintain and foster, most importantly they have themselves and their business to protect. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 03:33 pm: |
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JD,
>>> (who knew we'd be seeing claims on the internet that Buell uses brake disks made of a beryllium (highly toxic) alloy) By a former Buell employee and platform director, no less!
I hope you are joking. I don't think in light of the ramifications that it is anything to joke about. If you are not joking then that's nothing less than a lie. You've been advised that it is false. You've been informed that your interpretation of Steve's statement is mistaken; it's easy to see how it could be, but then you have been corrected by Anonymous and by me and assured of the credibility of said Anonymous. Continuing to hold to such falsehood would be unfortunate, really very, very bizarre. |
Drawkward
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 04:06 pm: |
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Blake:
My employer would have no problem with me discussing how I do my job and the products I put out.
What is detrimental in discussing the different aspects of your product if you know what you are saying to be true and it doesn't give away any manufacturing secrets?
What you are saying is, with all due respect, bullshit. Not being able to discuss why your product, for example, gets insanely and uncomfortably hot doesn't make sense to me. If it were my product and I had knowledge others didn't on issues people were having (and getting pissed about/talking about getting rid of my product) then you bet your ass I'd step in and offer some help without a shroud over my head.
Whether or not you agree, that is my opinion. |
Theeman23_69
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 05:10 pm: |
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Wow this thread is nothing like the title.
Yes I use engine ice. I have used it for about 5k miles without any seepage or bearing sound. Before the bike goes back to the dealership for its next big preventative maintenance, I will probably pull the pump to see if there is any signs of wear due to coolant not being Harley spec.
The bike runs a few degrees cooler when stopped at a light and the temp drops a lot quicker when I pull away and get some airflow. I flushed and exchanged coolant to this because my fans wouldn't shut off when I stopped and turned off the bike. My coolant temps were always lower than my friends reported on their Jap bikes.
As for now I would recommend Engine Ice in the rotax motors, but not for the thunderstorms. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 05:17 pm: |
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>>> What you are saying is, with all due respect, bullshit.
No, actually it is fact and it is easily verifiable at that. Having worked closely with corporate general counsel for years, I find your opinion less than credible, closer to nonsense. In fact, as applies to a public forum, your opinion is unsupportable.
>>> What is detrimental in discussing the different aspects of your product if you know what you are saying to be true and it doesn't give away any manufacturing secrets?
The issue is not as you've chosen to characterize it. Do you really want your emplyees, customers, vendors, or business partners/associates talking about your product on a public forum?
Naivety leads many to such notions. As I suggested above, go ask your general counsel.
The fact remains that folks are prohibited from speaking publicly about business related concerns. Period. Whether you like it or not, that is a fact. It is not bullshit.
>>> If it were my product and I had knowledge others didn't on issues people were having (and getting pissed about/talking about getting rid of my product) then you bet your ass I'd step in and offer some help without a shroud over my head.
Your business would then not be worth dirt. Get a clue. Any admission of any problem would be immediately jumped on by money-grubbing lawyers looking to sue.
The truth is that Anonymous contributors here have provided some of the best information and advice we've ever seen.
Without anonymity, they'd not have been able to do so. That is a simple fact. |
Drawkward
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 05:44 pm: |
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We're going to have to agree to disagree because we obviously see it in totally different ways.
I don't trust anonymous anyone on the internet. |
Stimbrell
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 05:55 pm: |
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Just a thought, any chance of having a Badweb area for talking about bikes, I have a 1125R. If I wanted to learn about coolants and had come to this thread I sure would have been shit out of luck. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 08:35 pm: |
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Jonathan (Drawk),
Only one of our opinions on the issue matters much. I just don't care to see anymore whining about the issue. If the privilege of anonymous posting bothers someone that much, then they should just avoid the place. Personally, I hope you'll hang around. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 08:46 pm: |
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>>> If I wanted to learn about coolants and had come to this thread I sure would have been shit out of luck.
What else do you want to know? It's not a complex topic. The factory specifies ethylene glycol.
Per the link provided by JD in the 2nd post...
Ethylene glycol and propylene glycol play differently with different materials. Check the service manual. It calls out ethylene glycol specifically and there is a reason (a tested and confirmed reason).
Please do not use propylene glycol based coolant in your 1125.
More good info in that thread too, like coolant specifications from Rotax aircraft engine division and others. |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 08:51 pm: |
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My God! Where back to the 50's - lol - We want Ethel!
EZ |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 02:03 pm: |
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Ok, well... I must admit that I didn't read the second half of this thread due to all the pissing matches going on, so if this were covered already please let me know:
If I run my bike on both the track and the street, and my track day orgs don't allow ethylene glycol but I still need anti-freeze capabilities, what should I run? |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 04:55 pm: |
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Warm water? Sorry.
Are you really riding at the track in sub-freezing temperatures? |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:23 pm: |
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Riding on the track? No. But the bike does get stored and ridden in weather that is sub-freezing.
And actually, the last track day I was at was in October, an overnight affair, and I'd be willing to bet it was close to freezing outside that night. |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:54 pm: |
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I'm fairly sure this is stupid, but I heard it once on the internet, so here goes:
What if you mixed 10-20% denatured alcohol into your coolant? At that low concentration, I'm pretty sure it won't tend to be flammable, and it would bring the freezing point of the water down to probably somewhere near 0F.
Personally, I'd never so much as ever consider this, I just put a light bulb under the bike and a blanket over it, but it might work, and I've heard of car guys doing it.
It's what washer fluid is, more or less. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 08:42 am: |
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Air/oil cooled engines rule! ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif)
Funny you mention alcohol; I was wondering the same thing. |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 09:35 pm: |
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I totally freaked out my little brother(ASE GM Tech) last winter. He lives in South Texas, BTW
Car barely started, ran like crap, 15 dF outside.
I poured half a bottle of Everclear in the tank and went back in the house.
20 minutes later, we walked out and I started the car and it ran perfectly.
I learned that lesson the year I wintered in Chicago and Lake Michigan froze over completely for the first time in history.
4.6 dF here now, C'mon Summer!!!!!
Z |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 12:18 am: |
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Hey! My niece is named Summer, and you stay away from her, you dirty ol' man!  |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 04:26 pm: |
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So which is to be used - the Wetter?
EZ |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 07:06 pm: |
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Ezblast
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 07:43 pm: |
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Bravo! |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 08:06 pm: |
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Ez,
I use distilled water and water wetter with good results.
I can't speak for anything else, but can tell you what I'm doing works. |
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