| Author | Message | ||
     Davegess |
Shoulders can take a lot but when they fail they are tough to bring back. | ||
| Blake |
You had surgery? | ||
| Vagelis46 |
So...since bears sh*t in woods and Duc is doing exactly what Rossi asks , Rossi will be fighting for the title and Hayden will improve greatly this year Wait........we have the shoulder excuse now !! It is also amusing that Rossi is asking for less electronics in motoGP , and Ducati is developing more sofisticated anti-wheelie electronics. So is Ducati not listening to Rossi , or Rossi is not as "anti-electronics" as he claims to be ?? | ||
| Trojan |
Wait........we have the shoulder excuse now !! I knew the Rossi haters would be out with the 'shoulder excuse' story soon. Funny how the same people never accused Stoner Moner of excuses when he had his mystery vyrus/milk intolerance even though Stoner is the Master of 'blame everyone else' excuses in MotoGP. If you have never ripped your arm almost out of the socket and severed tendons to your shoulder I don't think you can comment on how bad Rossi really is or how he feels. Suffice to say that the same injury has ended many top class riders careers before now (Fogarty, Hodgson etc) and there is plenty of medical evidence from surgeons who operated on him to back up Rossis claims. I really don't see it as a lame excuse. Rossi has nothing left to prove and wants to be competitive, although he is the first to admit that they have a way to go with the bike, so why would he have to make excuses? It is also amusing that Rossi is asking for less electronics in motoGP , and Ducati is developing more sofisticated anti-wheelie electronics. So is Ducati not listening to Rossi , or Rossi is not as "anti-electronics" as he claims to be ?? Unlike Yamaha and Honda, Ducati apparently never had any sophisticated anti wheelie software on their bike (although they had plenty of other gimmickry and gadgets for anti wheelspin etc). According to Nicky Hayden all they had on the anti wheelie front was a basic cutout switch that cut revs as soon as the front wheel came up, so it was all or nothing. All they have done is to install a system similar to the Jap bikes that alters mapping rather than cuts sparks, and is capable of reacting differently in differing circumstances and as the race progresses. Just because Rossi (and most other top riders) have an 'anti electronics' stance doesn't mean they will ditch them out of principle. So long as they are allowed they will be essential in order to be competitive so of course everyone will use them to the fullest extent. Personally I really hope that Rossi comes out at the first race and thrashes the entire field by 10 seconds at least  I hope that Stoner has a nightmare season and fails to win a race (in fact I would be happy to see him fail to finish a single race!) I hope that Lorenzo doesn't have as much luck as in 2010 and suffers his fair share of breakdowns. And Cal Crutchlow will win the British GP at Silverstone Not that I am biased of course..... | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Rossi's fans are panicking and have started their voodoo wishes and practices. They will need a lot of them this year. As far as the shoulder excuse....... Noone can remember anything about a "ripped" or severe damaged shoulder when Rossi was winning in Malaisia and scoring 3rd in Japan after that hard battle against Lorenzo. he shoulder problem was only mentioned when Rossi had a bad wekend. The "major" and "catastrophic" shoulder problem only happened as soon as he had his 1st Duc test in Spain, and we keep hearing about this ever since. It is pathetic. Rossi was 3rd in the last race and 24hours later he was 1.5sec off the pace on the Duc. No matter what Rossi fanboys say and what excusses are made , Rossi looked really bad and slow on the GP10. Not good for his reputation as the "Doctor". Unless Rossi rides a superior bike, there is no way he can be faster than Stoner and Lorenzo. These 2 riders can beat him 9 out of 10 times. Why is the obvious so hard to accept ?? | ||
| Jaimec |
I don't know... why don't YOU explain it to us? I want Rossi in top form, so he has no excuses when Lorenzo cleans his clock... but that's my personal opinion. | ||
| Trojan |
These 2 riders can beat him 9 out of 10 times. The record would suggest otherwise I'm afraid. You don't win 9 world championships on various different bikes just by having the best bike. In fact for many years Rossi had what was generally acknowledged to be an inferior machine but still won. I know it must be hard to accept for the Rossi haters, but the record books will show he has won more championships than anyone else in the modern era and is unlikely to be surpassed for a very very long time (if ever). His shoulder injury was widely reported from the time it happened at the start of last season, so wasn't an excuse trotted out only when he lost. The fact is that nobody knew how bad it was until the surgeons opened him up after the season finished. Cal Crutchlow, Keny Noyes and Marco Melandri have all undergone similar shoulder surgery since December yet all managed to survive the full season before having the operation. That is the nature of the game and Rossi has said that he could have missed more races and had the shoulder operated on earlier, but wanted to race so left it as long as possible. Rossi would have been better off getting his shoulder done when he broke his leg, but he would have missed the rest of the year and I'm sure the anti Rossi brigade would have read something sinister into that too Rossi was 3rd in the last race and 24hours later he was 1.5sec off the pace on the Duc. Figure it out. A 3 day race meeting with a badly damaged shoulder and then a 3 day test immediately afterwards? He was unable to even brake or hang on down the straights by day two so was never going to set blistering lap times (although as a first test that wasn'ty the point anyway). Stoner set fast times on the 2010 Honda. He didn't test any new parts (other than new paint!) or give any useful feedback to his crew other than where to move the footpegs. We'll see if his cavalier attitude to testing makes him a better prospect for the title in 2011 or if the team that works through the test schedule methodically and carefully regardless of headline grabbing times has the last laugh. | ||
| Blake |
Shoulder injuries are tough, but nothing compared to Elbowz. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Jaimec |
Hope you're right, Blake. I'd like nothing better than to see Ben "shock the world" this year. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Spies is going to make a big impact next year. It also seems that DePuniet will have good results on the Duc. And SuperSic is going to do really good. As far as feedback from riders to their crew. These are just rumours. Unless there are microphones, noone really knows what is going on. So far all the rumours in motoGP are in Rossi's favour, but it seems that these roumours are starting to get busted. The rumour that suggested that Rossi's crew will sort the Duc in 80sec and Rossi will dominate test No1, or the rumour that without Rossi's data Lorenzo will get slow. Both these rumours generated from Rossi's fanboys got busted with a 'big bang'. There was also a rumour that the Duc was the most electronicaly advanced bike on the grid and Stoner was riding it like a video game. I am sorry Fanboys , but it seems that Duc's anti-wheelie was very basic and now a more advanced package is developed for Rossi, who ironivally goes on public screaming for less electronics. Busted one more time. Now there are another 2 extra rumours generated from Rossi's fanboys : 1.Yamaha will straggle in developing their M1 for 2011 and especially for 2012. The thing is that Lorenzo has proved his talent in setup, and Spies is the best rider to enter motoGP the last 3 year. Yamaha will be OK, I think. 2. Stoner has no clue how to setup a bike. The thing is that Casey from day 1 made comments on how soft the power on the RCV is and asked for less electronics interference on the maps. Is this not development or feedback, or we disolutioned ?? The thing is that Rossi is the greatest machine in producing money, so it suits everybody to make him look like a super-rider. Give him better tires than everybody, a better bike than his teammate, signing teammates that he likes and he can beat easily, etc, etc, etc. He is happy , he wins and more money is generated this way. Sorry but serious and unbiased fans do not buy this anymore. | ||
| Svh |
I really want to like Pedrosa and Stoner but I just can't. Seems like the problem is never them. Rossi, Hayden, Lorenzo, Spies, Edwards and others will say I messed up that corner or whatever if they do. Those other 2 always seem to blame the machine or someone else. Now don't get me wrong I know those other guys sometimes blame equipment but they will also say when they mess up. I can't wait for racing to start. I just hope that SPEED will fix the broadcast and show the post-race interviews. | ||
| Fast1075 |
All I can say is I am impatient for the season to start... | ||
| Jaimec |
Interesting assessment of Lorenzo from "The King" himself: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jan/110117krlo renzo.htm | ||
| 1125rcya |
I think one of Ducati's problems go back the engine fade rather than rider issues! Nicky can put together great pole laps, but once the race starts, the engine really degrades fast! As Ducati’s engine gets hot, the more it back fires and by the end of the race it sounds like the bike has a fouled plug. I guessing that the backfiring engine slows the bike a tad which in junction causes Nicky to miss his marks due to timing. At the end of the race Honda’s bike is purring just like the beginning! The only way for Ducati to compete, is make the bike run smooth through the whole race. Consistency win’s races. Yeah I know, I have never raced on a track. What do I know? lol | ||
| Trojan |
The thing is that Rossi is the greatest machine in producing money, so it suits everybody to make him look like a super-rider. They don't give world championships and race wins away with Cornflakes you know. To be acknowledged by his peers (the gu8ys he actually races against!) as teh Greatest of all time probably carries a bit more weight than your (or my) opinion I think one of Ducati's problems go back the engine fade rather than rider issues! Nicky can put together great pole laps, but once the race starts, the engine really degrades fast! As Ducati’s engine gets hot, the more it back fires and by the end of the race it sounds like the bike has a fouled plug. The Duc problem isn't engine but handling (front end issues). The poping and backfiring you hear towards the end of a race is the electronics in 'fuel save' mode running the bike lean. It may also be the electronics compensating for tyre wear and sliding by cutting sparks as mentioned earlier. There was also a rumour that the Duc was the most electronicaly advanced bike on the grid and Stoner was riding it like a video game. In 2007 an 2008 the Ducati had far more advanced electronics than any of the Japanese bikes. Being able to pin the throttle wide open BEFORE the apex of a corner is only possible due to extremely advanced electronic engine management and gPS based software. The ONLY region where Ducati fell behind was in anti wheelie, and that was partly because they didn't see it as a priority because they had more power than they could use anyway. Now the tables have turned and everyone has the same level of electronic assistance and pretty much ther same engine power. Ducati can't afford to 'waste' power and energy by just cutting power to prevent wheelies regardless of other parameters, so they now have a system (the same as Yamaha and Honda) that will adapt throughout a race to changing conditions and rider input. The thing is that Lorenzo has proved his talent in setup, and Spies is the best rider to enter motoGP the last 3 year. Yamaha will be OK, I think. Lets see how Lorenzo gets on developing a bike from scratch rather than getting onto a bike pretty much fully developed already by someone else. It is a big difference between setting an already good bike up for individual circuits and turning around what is acknowledged to be a very poor bike and turning it into a winner. I think Lorenzo will go well in 2011 on basically teh same bike as last year, but will struggle from 2012 onwards  | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Personally I really hope that Rossi comes out at the first race and thrashes the entire field by 10 seconds at least I thought that you considered this type of races boring and not worth watching. What happened ?? | ||
| Jaimec |
Rossi himself doubts that possibility as he doesn't expect his shoulder to be at 100% until a couple of months into the season. Of course, this could be "sandbagging" by the MotoGP master of head games, too... Remember how he tried to keep Yamaha's advancements in the 2004 pre-season a secret as long as possible? | ||
| Trojan |
I thought that you considered this type of races boring and not worth watching. What happened ?? I do, but every so often I think Rossi needs to remind people just who the boss is, and has been for years I don't think it will happen but I would love to see it nevertheless. I would settle for seeing Stoner fall off at the first corner though | ||
| Blake |
I really liked Casey, until he started losing and blaming. He's a young kid though. Maybe he'll turn things around. Regrdless, he's a talented racer. Great articles in the previous month's Cycle World and this month's Road Racing World on Lorenzo. Kenny Roberts Senior says that he's the most driven, hardest racer he's ever seen. Jorgé had spent two weeks trying to beat King Kenny at the Roberts dirt track ranch in modesto. | ||
| Trojan |
I really liked Casey, until he started losing and blaming. He's been like that since he started and was just as miserable as a teenager in British 125 racing. It was always someone elses fault if he didn't win  | ||
| Vagelis46 |
There is no evidence that Stoner is miserable, or a bad person. He is pretty cool in his interviews, and speaks the truth. Unfortunately there are a lot of hate and fake rumours about him that are generated by retarded Rossi's fans. | ||
| Svh |
Please find me one interview/article in the last 2 years where Stoner takes blame for a crash. "I lost feeling in the front end" is still blaming the bike/tire. I am not a Rossi fan just a motorcycle racing fan in general which alows me to call it like I see it. | ||
| Simond |
Unfortunately there are a lot of hate and fake rumours about him that are generated by retarded Rossi's fans.  | ||
| V74 |
some motorcycle racers are like boxers(who are sometimes called arrogant)they have to have 100% confidence and belife in themselves to do their job,so it may be that that person is to blame for a poor result but they have to blame someone or something else in order to carry on otherwise they would give up, i like to watch rossi,he is also very good in an interview,which some of the others do fail at and i think stoner pedrosa and lorenzo have had it a bit to rough on here,lets just let them be who they are and get on with their racing, | ||
| Jaimec |
Svh: According to Vagelis' narrow definition, you are now a "Retarded Rossi Fan." Welcome to the club, you are in good company. | ||
| Svh |
Jaime: Actually I am a "Retarded Rossi Fan" that is still waiting for that interview. | ||
| Trojan |
Unfortunately there are a lot of hate and fake rumours about him that are generated by retarded Rossi's fans So when Stoner was moaning (a lot) in British 125 racing (a long time before he started racing Rossi) he was just practising his excuses, or did we make it up? When Stoner has won another 8 world championships he may be considered in the same breath as Rossi or some of the other Greats, but until then he'll remain just another one time world champion I'm afraid | ||
| Jaimec |
But if you follow Vagelis' odd arguments, Rossi didn't really win all of those titles. See, because of his bankability, Dorna ARRANGED for him to win by making sure he always had the best equipment and everybody else got inferior parts. I think he left out the part about the "Rossi Line." You know, that one clean part of the track Rossi knows to follow, but every other competitor is forbidden to use? | ||
| Trojan |
I think he also forgot to mention: 1.Rossi's crew are allowed to go into every other garage prior to a race and fit 33bhp restrictors to every other bike in the race. 2. Rossi has been allowed to run a 2000cc turbocharged 2 stroke engine throughout his career, regardless of the actual class he was racing in. To make it appear fair the actual sound was cut from the transmission and replaced with that of a 'normal' race bike. Any spectators who actually heard the real bike were of course killed immeidately after the race in order to maintain secrecy. 3. Rossi has been allowed at least 2 laps head start throughout his career, so is in reality always at least 2 laps ahead of his nearest rival so cannot lose of course. 4. Rossi is the only rider actually allowed to use slick tyres in a race. Everyone else has to use motocross knobblies but of course this is photoshopped out of the final TV transmission to make it appear like a fair race. Alternatively, maybe Rossi could just be a better rider than all the rest? | ||
| Jaimec |
Wait, we BOTH forgot using banned substances to improve his stamina and agility, but submitting his teammates urine for testing. This is the REAL reason for the falling out with Lorenzo, because Jorge refused to toe the line and forced Rossi to find "clean urine" from other sources. |
