| Author | Message | ||
     Curve_carver |
Has anyone ordered levers from this seller? He said it would take a whole month or more to receive them.For 42.00 a set I couldn't resist even if a takes a month or two. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&item=110621732270 | ||
| Stevek1125r |
Really... your that cheap.... Yes i said it. Atleast they are not the "BLADE" levers i see on Ebay...... Personally i wouldn't waste my hard earned cash on that cheap chinese junk, but thats just me... | ||
| Avalaugh |
Lots of my mates ride gsxr's and they all have bought them, I couldn't tell the difference from my genuine ones ? Weight, feel and quality appear to be the same. Update us when you get them too. Just because they are made in hongkong doesn't mean it's all got to be poor quality. | ||
| Jules |
I have them on my 1125R, ended up getting them for free as it took so long for them to arrive (3 months) and i claimed back through paypal. Seller told me I could keep them and the money if I left positive feedback. Quality is top notch, you would be VERY hard pressed to tell them from genuine. I bought black with red adjusters and the black has a faint "carbon look" pattern, all in all they're excellent value for money. | ||
| Jules |
Apologies for the poor quality pic:  | ||
| Dreso1021 |
I have the dragon brothers...same thing. Work great I can't tell the difference | ||
| Curve_carver |
stevek1125r Look.at your wheels and many of the other big parts on your bike. Lol Thanks for all the info guys. The seller gave me a tracking number that doesn't seem to show up. Has anyone else had this problem? I ordered the same exact set jules. Can you post some better pics?} | ||
| Jules |
I ordered the same exact set jules. Can you post some better pics?} They're not MUCH better but how about these:   | ||
| Pwillikers |
I have a question for those that have installed these levers. The stock front brake lever has a lot of travel before it commences braking action. This seems dependent on the lever setting. It is worse with the lever setting closest to the hand grip and acceptable with the setting farthest from the hand grip. Does this aftermarket lever alleviate any of this excessive play? | ||
| Jules |
I can't say I noticed the issue BEFORE the install so I probably can't help sorry.. There is a slightly wider range to the adjustment on these and as I have the "shorty" version (2 fingers on the brake lever) that'll change the way they operate too.. When they arrived I was concerned that the brake (in particular) would be too close too the grip, but as soon as I fitted them (which takes all of 5 mins) they felt really good.. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
I don't think spending $42 for a set of levers is being cheap but in do think that $100+ is way too much to justify. Even at $42 for a set, there has to be a lot of markup. I especially like the idea of a shorty brake lever as I only use two fingers. | ||
| Curve_carver |
I'm stoked,thanks for the information everyone. If I needed levers right away I would of ordered some pazzios. But since I'm in ohio and have a few months before riding I'll wait for them. | ||
| Ottobotz |
Have heard of some of them breaking, you pay for what you get. Watch out for lead poisoning! LOL! The bladed ones would really look cool on your bike, IMHO! | ||
| Jules |
Have heard of some of them breaking, you pay for what you get. Watch out for lead poisoning! Uh-huh.. Is that the typical "a friend of a friend told me that his friend had a friend who knew someone who had met a guy in a pub who told him a story about some bloke who bought levers off eBay that snapped" Personally I've not met anyone who that has happened to and I have recommended these to a few friends and they are equally satisfied.. | ||
| Littlebutquick |
got a set of real on the r set of copies on the cr you can't really tell | ||
| Nattyx1 |
So I've commented on this before... not sure if there's overlap in the posters/postings. But there are parallel threads in here where people lament the surrender of manufacturing capability and capacity to the Chinese... where people lament the growing rust belt in the US... where people feel empathy for laid-off workers like the 170 in East Troy... all with good reason and yes I understand it's not "all the Chinese' fault." But then I see threads like this and I wonder why doesn't the logic cross over to individual purchases? I've seen these hongkong levers. They're ok. They look right. They're cheap. They'll probably not break. But for what might add up to an infinitesimal percentage of your annual income, you can get a really nice set from a nice American company called ASV. ASV... a small American company employing Americans, paying fair wages and taxes and health insurance etc. I don't have a vested interest in them -- I don't even have their levers (gonna get some I think after researching though). It's more about the spirit of the idea. Go out to dinner a couple fewer times in the next 60 days - the difference is paid for. Right? And then you have a bona fide quality product in this very important safety/performance location, with the attendant good-feeling of having done a tiny bit to help "us" and not "them." My two cents (and given the choice I'd rather keep it onshore).  | ||
| Nattyx1 |
here are links to Asv stuff (not just levers...) http://asvinventions.com/ Levers for 1125r and Cr: http://asvinventions.com/Unbreakable-Levers/ the new forged ones are less expensive and seem pretty sweet: http://asvinventions.com/1125RCR-08-09-c-267/ | ||
| Curve_carver |
But if I don't go out to eat then the food chains loose money. What should I do.lol | ||
| Nattyx1 |
Curve: I know the question was facetious, but I'll take a stab at a serious response despite that. Sure it's true that eating out supports those businesses and workers and the giant "food Inc." machine that makes it all possible. And that's of course a huge component of our GNP. But if you compare the value you create by supporting smaller onshore entrepreneurial businesses vs offshore sweatshops (probably supported by their own governments to be able to produce products at sub-reasonable prices - aka "dumping"), I think it presents a pretty clear course of action. | ||
| Curve_carver |
I know I just thought id stab some:-) | ||
| Jules |
I know there's some really strong feelings on the topic of offshoring, and TBH I probably shouldn't comment as I am not an American and don't have the pleasure of living in the USA...but... Those ASV levers look fantastic but they are $180 compared to $40, that's almost 5 times the price.. I know all the arguments about helping to keep American jobs etc and I know this is a flwaed argument before I even type it but just using the example above if it were my choice I'd rather save the $140 and use that to pay for those nights out, a couple of meals out. The original question in the thread related to the value for money of the levers, not the rightness or wrongness of buying from China. I think those that feel strongly about keeping US generated income within the US are absolutely right. I also think that those who think of the whole "global economy" are absolutely right... There is no simple answer (other than the simple answer to the OP's question which is "yes") | ||
| Rogue_biker |
The look just like the ASV levers. I would opt for the ASV levers especially since it takes so long to get the Chinese levers. Also, I have to agree with Natty. If it costs $140 each for the original, US made ASV's, that's $280 for both. The Chinese copies are $75 plus shipping, so that's $160 for both. The difference is $120. What is $120 nowadays? I mean really? Two sushi dinners for two people? A week's worth of groceries? A full tank of gas for a V8 powered SUV? A pair of riding gloves. A membership in a Health Club for two months. A front tire. A pair of cool Oakley sunglasses. A nice cell phone. The list goes on. To some this might be enough to sway them. For me, $120 is dust in the wind when I total the amount I spend in one month's worth of bills, food, mortgage, etc. It's a drop in a deep bucket. In other words, not worth it as a way to save $$. If you really want to save money, don't buy new levers. But if you must have nice levers, I say go for the original ASV and get the one you really want. It's only a $120 difference, and if that amount bugs you, maybe you shouldn't be spending any? It's just my two cents. Jules, since you are not an American and probably from Europe (?) then the ASV levers should be inexpensive for you since the exchange rate is in your favor.  Besides my rant, they do look really nice and I'm thinking of getting a pair for my 1125R. The ASV pair. LOL! | ||
| Pmjolly |
+1 Rogue_biker | ||
| Ottobotz |
+1 Nattyx1 | ||
| Ottobotz |
-As they mature they will know the value of onshore buying and maybe they will have money by then. But the gay blades are cool, get those. | ||
| Buellrain |
Two friends and I have ordered three sets, 1 for a TT,1 for a 12SS and 1 for a 1125CR,one of the guys has Pazzo levers on another bike and saw a set of these upclose and could'nt tell the difference in fact he thought the could of been cast from the same mold without the Pazzo stamped in. Before you knock the quality of stuff coming out of the far east remember than not so many years ago the Jap cars were considered crappy, they now lead many markets in the world in terms of quality and reliability so much so that I think Toyota have been the leader in car sales in the States over the last few years.. Times are a changing so go with the flow, at the end of the day $42 is a round of beers, if the levers are'nt up to scratch then its not the end of the world, but if they are then you have some spare cash to buy more beer............ | ||
| Nattyx1 |
Buellrain: I think the Pazzo levers are from Canada. Ford and GM sold more cars here last year/18months than Toyota did (according to a report I saw last week). Obviously this was helped by the bad press toyota got and some other quality issues (downrated in jdpower)... But we're making some great stuff here now and I think that trend will continue. I bought a Ford. Will you buy a Gianzou Leaping Flower Fairy or whatever they'll call it when it gets here looking like the bastard child of a kia and a benz for $7000? It'll probably work just fine for that price, despite the fact that they have ridiculous names for cars. And my argument wasn't really made on the basis of quality. The Chinese have gotten scary good at taking our designs and executing the products well. That's what makes them a threat... way more than cheaply priced crap ever did. In fact, that's the model the Japanese used. Reverse engineer, manufacture, learn, do it better, re-engineer, manufacture, do it better, manufacture---Go to War: get help from gov't on costs, dump excellent goods overseas at impossibly low prices (remember the toshiba laptop scandal of like 10 years ago?!) with the sole intention of putting competitors out of business. When was the last TV made in this country? Probably about the same time as you bought your first Sony. We let it happen. We said "we have open market 'play fair' rules here, so come on in." They said, "ha ha - that's great because we have huge import duties so you'll never your stuff to our people." So a Royal Enfield costs like $4000 here but a Harley Fatboy costs just north of $40,000 in India. And those chinese levers cost $40 each here or whatever -- and the ASV levers would cost what? $500 in China or India? We'd never know because they'll never bother shipping em. The container ships float this way heavy... and they float back empty/light -- their only real cargo: our money. I was at the car wash the other day. Guy brings in a Rolls Phantom right behind me. At the pay counter, I ask him if he thinks it was 'worth it.' He laughed and said it wasn't his car -- he's a driver for the Peninsula Hotel. He told me that with one exception, the ONLY people he has driven around LA in that thing in like the last 6 months were from China. They come and stay in some insane suite and get taken to the mall in the Rolls (it's like a half mile away and the cost is $200 plus gratuity -- which to a billionaire I guess is like a couple pennies). I'll buy the ASV levers or as suggested above, none at all. If there's a choice, and it's reasonable, and ESPECIALLY if it supports an owner/operator/entrepreneur... someone I could ride with at a track day, then damn straight that's where my money is gonna go. The logic of this goes back to the very earliest stages of civilization, right? Be good to your neighbor... he's the one most likely to be next to you in the foxhole (or behind the rock in the cave) when the bad foreign guys come rumbling down the trail looking for blood. I firmly believe that America can come back and kick ass if we all decide that's what we all want to do. It starts with looking after our own as best we can. | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
Natty, I agree with you 100%. I buy American made goods as much as I can, and am proud to buy American made. It pisses me off to no end when people make jokes about American goods, like cars. Ford is making some of the best vehicles in the world right now. The sad part is that they are having to build them in other countries because the labor is so expensive in America. Don't even get me started on Toyota, I had an interesting talk with a an engineer, he told me that manufacturing the battery in the prius is more harmful for the planet then running most gas engines for 15 years. | ||
| Froggy |
$42 for levers? I picked up three pairs of used like new stock levers for my bikes on ebay for about the same price a few months back. Best part is, I know beforehand they will work, as many universal aftermarket parts don't fit or require modification. What benefit would these levers provide over stock? They look cool, but are they functionally superior? Any issues with locking the calipers? | ||
| Jules |
Froggy: Yes they do look cool, they ARE functionally superior in that they have a wider range of adjustment and the adjustment is a "little" easier with gloves on (not that you really ought to be adjusting levers whilst riding). I prefer the more severe dogleg style/architecture. I also prefer the "shorty" style as it's easier to do 2/1 finger braking without any chance of trapping your fingers between the lever and grip....which I know in theory it shouldn't be possible to do if you set the stock lever up correctly but I have managed to do it a couple of (painful) times. Being brutally honest I bought them mainly for their superior looks rather than the other value adds. Shouldn't be any issues with locking the calipers as they fit as precisely as stock levers and are at least as good in terms of quality as the stock items.... Does anyone know where the stock levers are actually made? Theer are a few chinese components oint eh bike already, wouldn't surprise me to learn that stock levers are not manufactured in the USA either.. |
