| Author | Message | ||
     Kdogshirow |
Has anyone installed one of these on their XB ? http://www.EBRacing.com/shop/product161.html If so , did it bolt right up , and how much difference did it make over the stock caliper ? | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
I don't recommend it for the street. It bolts right up, but it has several disadvantages: 1. requires a larger diameter master cylinder assembly 2. is heavier 3. has a wooden feeling until warmed up 4. makes it harder to change wheels as it must be removed to extract wheel, unlike original unit. I was going to fit one to Lil' Blackie, but after testing the 1125 at a track day, I decided against it. On the other hand if you are planning to race or do a lot of track days, it does provide more powerful braking at race speeds. If you want improved braking on the street, I recommend Lyndall Golds, or other high performance pads, for the stock caliper. Just my .02¢ | ||
| Terrys1980 |
I bought the complete setup from someone who wrecked their 1125R. The master cylinder was the same as my '07. The '08 XB and 1125's still had the smaller master cylinder with the 8 pot caliper. I am using my stock XB master cylinder/lever with not issues at all. I installed EBC HH sintered pads. IMO - The 8 pot has quite a bit more stopping power over the 6 pot setup. If the pads had a wooden feeling until warmed up they were most likely organic. | ||
| Kdogshirow |
Do you know what kind of pads are on yours Terrys1980 ? | ||
| Terrys1980 |
I am running EBC FA454/4HH Sintered pads. Double-H pads have the best stopping power and longest life. | ||
| 1324 |
The only downside, IMO, is the weight. Even so, most people won't feel it on the street. In fact, these came from the factory on XB's... The master cylinder is in fact different between the 6 and 8 pot calipers. Terry isn't the first person I've heard of using the XB master cylinder w/o issue, but they are different. I personally use a 2006 GSXR1000 radial m/c on my XB12 and like it a lot. I am currently using the EBC FA454/4HH's as well, and I like them. They took a while to bed in, but they work great on the street and for novice track days. You'll feel like they aren't as good as stock when rolling out of your driveway the first time because initial bite is less. Once you get used to this, they aren't so bad. Feel is very progressive unlike the stockers. For the price, I'd recommend them. Of course, I would like to try some other pads to see how they compare... | ||
| Terrys1980 |
The master cylinders might be some internal differences or with the piston but they have the same numbers stamped into them. I am sure the larger round master cylinder performs better then the stock but I don't like the look of round one on the handlebars. The weight gain from the larger caliper can be justified by the 7 or 8 pounds lost when changing to an aftermarket exhaust! If your trying to get maximum stopping power you might as well upgrade the rotor too. The slotted or wave rotor will help keep temps down. One more trick I learned while doing my brake upgrade was forcing the air up out of the reservoir instead of bleeding it out the caliper. This can be accomplished with a large syringe and a small hose. You don't want to get the brake fluid on the paint anywhere, it doesn't matter if you wipe it off right away the paint will show signs of damage. | ||
| Dmhines |
I thought the larger caliper wasn't used on the XB's until 2009 ???? | ||
| 1324 |
Yes, you're right. Earlier models can with the 6 pots... | ||
| Terrys1980 |
'08 1125 was the first year. | ||
| Dmhines |
Everything that I can find on Internet says 2009 was first year for XB's ... Even Buell says so when ordering the conversion ... http://www.buell.com/en_us/gear/accessories/produc t.asp?Menu_ID=2&ProductLineID=4&CategoryID=4&Produ ctID=4261 | ||
| Kdogshirow |
But it will still fit earlier years right ? Terrys1980 yours is an 07 , like mine right ? | ||
| Mackja |
I installed one on my 2007 and what a difference. You do have to get another master cylinder, but they are cheap. The caliper and master cylinder on the Erik Buell Racing site are great prices, I would strongly recommend the upgrade. | ||
| Terrys1980 |
The 8 pot caliper mounts to all Buells '03-'10 without any modifications. The 6 pot brake line does not work on the 8. The 6 pot master cylinders may work but it is recommended that you get the larger one. | ||
| Poppawheelie |
"The 6 pot brake line does not work on the 8." Whats so different, the size or the angle? | ||
| Terrys1980 |
There is a bend in the banjo fitting on the 6 pot. It might be possible to make it work but you might end up damaging the brake line trying to bend the fitting on the caliper side. The brake lines are the same length.   | ||
| Poppawheelie |
Thanks Terry1980. | ||
| Rah7777777 |
I have a ZTL2 on my 2003 XB with no problems! I bought a take off from an 1125R. Everything bolted right up with no problems. (after buying the proper brake line from American Sport Bike) Installed it, flushed / bleed it and love it! I had Lyndall Golds on my 6 pot system, worked okay. But the 8 pot system with just the stock pads is a big improvement! I thought the ZTL was the best brake setup ive rode with until I rode a friends 1125 (ZTL2)... That night I was looking for a ZTL2 system for my old XB! | ||
| Froggy |
I have two 1125's and a ZTL2 caliper on my 06 XB. Yea, I love it.  What I recommend you do is get an extra long brake line, about 5 more inches, it will make tire changes easier. | ||
| Luv2spd |
I bought the ZTL2 caliper for my 2003 Firebolt from americansportbike.com This new set up feels a lot better than the old 6 piston one. If you check out this website, it shows how it looked before and after. I had the Harley dealer to install mine: http://www.bikepics.com/members/luv2spd/03xb9r/ | ||
| Terrys1980 |
What I recommend you do is get an extra long brake line, about 5 more inches, it will make tire changes easier. Or you can get the quick connect brake line from Erik Buell Racing! Its only $395...lol | ||
| Terrys1980 |
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| Kdogshirow |
Man , it sure looks trick ! I gotta get one . Thanks for all the info !  | ||
| Terrys1980 |
Luvs2spd - Did the dealer run the brake line on the outside of the fork tube like that? It doesn't really matter but it usually runs between. | ||
| Dmhines |
FYI ... There was actually a RECALL on the 1125's due to the front brake line routing. From the factory most of them came with the brake line between the forks. The recall had the dealer move them to the outside like Luvs2spd's bike. Buell decided they could rub, pinch or bind having them on the inside. When I bought my 2009 1125CR the brake line was already on the outside. Then I noticed the clear adhesive rub pad was still on the inside of the fork so they had done the recall before it was sold. |
