| Author | Message | ||
     Fresnobuell |
So what do you guys suggest for the best track tires that don't require tire warmers? Can DOT race tires withstand the heat cycles? | ||
| Jdugger |
DOT race tires are intended for warmers. You can run them without, but the tires will degrade from heat cycles more quickly than with warmers. I'd suggest a premium "hypersport" tire if you are going to run without warmers: Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsa Michelin Power Pure Bridgestone BT003RS You might also keep your eye out for these if you have a local race tire dealer. They aren't exactly designed to run without warmers, but will do OK without them: Pirelli Dragon Supercorsa Trackday Pirelli Superbike Pro With the Superbike Pro in particular, I just set personal bests at two different tracks on them two weekends back-to-back. It's technically an "endurance slick", but it's made from a new trackday compound designed to be applicable to a wider range of riders. So, it's way less sensitive to getting the temperature and pressure just right than a true race tire, and they tear and shred a lot less when you get it way wrong. I plan to run them all winter as practice tires. | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
Michelin Power Pure | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsa Michelin Power Pure Bridgestone BT003RS I have a couple sets of Q2s I bought on special. In your opinion, would you consider any of the above a step above the Q2s?} | ||
| Jdugger |
Oh, definitely, the Q2 is a great tire it just slipped my mind. I've not run them personally, but had several buddies try them and report very positively on them. They are certainly in the same class as the others mentioned. | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
Michelin Power Pure....trust me if you out ride these tires you should be expert...and ive seen advanced riders ride the hell out of them... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Michelin Power Pure Definite possibility. | ||
| Kicka666 |
Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP The jewel of Pirelli World Supersport championship fully homologated for street usage Peak performance on road driven by pure racing technology and materials Approved for speed up to 320Km/h (198 mph) Original equipment on prestigious bike models Awesome for the track no warmers needed. | ||
| Drawkward |
Off topic sort of... JD, do you know why specifically race tires degrade from heat cycles? I've always been curious as to what makes that happen. I mean, if they can make street tires that have grip close to what some race tires have (Rosso Corsas come to mind) what are they adding that causes that breakdown. I'm sure there's an article out there, but figured I'd pick your brain. And on-topic, I've been using the new Rosso Corsas all season long and have yet to have a problem. I only get about three TDs out of the rear, and maaaybe 4 to 5 out of the front, but if I'm really pushing it then only 4. They are fantastic tires with tons of grip and a warm up time that's almost non-existent. Maybe a lap, depending on circuit length, to get warmed up. I love them! | ||
| Jng1226 |
If you get serious, you may just want to go for the warmers and go with the ultimate stick of race compounds. I don't race anymore but I do trackdays a lot. After getting back into it after a long hiatus, I bought some inexpensive digital tire warmers: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUMOMOTO-DIGITAL-LC D-ADJUSTABLE-TIRE-WARMERS-R190-NEW-_W0QQcmdZViewIt emQQhashZitem5d2b66d977QQitemZ400160119159QQptZMot orcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_3135wt_939 The $199 Sumomoto digital tire warmers are very effective for the Michelin Power Races I've been running for the last 2 years. I checked the off-track temp with an IR temp sensor (not as accurate as a true tire pyrometer, but good enough for me) and set the digital temperature to match the off-track temperature to keep the tires on basically 1 heat cycle and super sticky on the out lap. I've used them for 2 years and they work great. I honestly don't see the difference between these and the $400 Chicken Hawk warmers. | ||
| Jdugger |
> do you know why specifically race tires degrade from heat cycles? I don't, but I'm sure a tire vendor would. I'll also note that race tires generally have less tread on them than street tires. |
