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Puzzled
Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone have a little more indepth idea as to what that is? I understand it is the front 27 tooth pulley. I suspect based on the term "compensating" that it is set up to act like a compensating nut on an HD or similar to a cush drive on a Import sportbike/Newer Harley Bagger. When one goes to a chain drive this function is gone. Any idea how this would affect the belt if it were gone?
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Puzzled
Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Giving some thought to it the XB's are non cushioned (that I know of) as are Harley's.
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Dannybuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Neither of which comes anywhere near the 1125 in terms of gearing and performance.
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Xnoahx
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 01:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Twin Cams put out more torque than the 1125 and weight a hell of a lot more. Seems like that would stress components more
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Puzzled
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Xnoahx, your thinking along the same lines as I am. My TP 124" makes a LOT more power than my Buell and does not have a compensating anything anywhere. It is all direct drive. On the flip side my Softail and Bagger both have front compensating nuts. I would think that a compensating assembly would soften the initial blow to the the drive line when the clutch is engaged. A direct drive will hit harder increasing the chance of broken belts/chains. Than again quality components will take a lot of power. Just thinking out loud here...

I'm going to take (cut) a front pulley apart later to see what makes it tick (this was planned)!
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)






I am still looking for it, there was a video a while back of a Rotax engineer discussing the 1125 and talking about the special front pulley among other things.

(Message edited by froggy on August 10, 2010)
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Puzzled
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 08:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's cool. : D
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Dannybuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At $400+ from E-B-R for a take off I sure they be rebuilt.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

makes me wonder how much they are new being as though they are $485 at E-B-R
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

makes me wonder how much they are new being as though they are $485 at E-B-R




$1010.64

(Message edited by froggy on August 10, 2010)
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Blk09r
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Holy crap! I think I'd spend $2k for the chain conversion kit before I'd spend $1K for the pulley.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the idler assembly. Does the pulley come with that?
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The compensated drive sprocket I mean, not the pulley.
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Xnoahx
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That blows my mind that it is over $1000 for that. The rubber isolators are $71 for the set

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Aj2010
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh boy ..... I feel good now. I bought an 08 flywheel on E-Bay and figured I'd pick up the pulley from the same seller at the same time .... I think I paid $18.95 for the pulley 'cause I thought it might be expensive and eventually the teeth would wear. OK, good deal.
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Puzzled
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To seperate the two halves of the compensating sprocket the ring that keeps the belt from walking has to be slid down.

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Puzzled
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is what you will find inside, the equivalent of a cush drive. On mine all of the rubbers were broke.

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Puzzled
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Boogiman1981
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 12:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so that's where they hid the flux capacitor. JEEZE man $1k for that seems a bit on the steep side. anybody know what about it makes it worth a grand?
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D_adams
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 01:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That accomplishes the same thing as the rubber isolators in the rear wheel/sprocket on most japanese bikes. Might make the wheel a little lighter overall, but not by much.

Mike, what made you decide to take yours apart? Was it having problems of some sort?
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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordered a front trans pulley as well as 3 different tooth pulley stocks. My intentions are to make a "Quick change" front pulley. I will make 27, 26 and 25 tooth setups. The 27 will give me stock R gearing while the 26 will put me in between the R and CR gearing and the 25 will get me real close to the CR gearing.
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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heavy! ..and this is rotating mass.

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used a cut-off wheel to remove the lugs that held the cush drive.

The material is hardened but not to the point where it could not be cut.

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Turning down the diameter which will serve as the outside retaining ring for the new pulley.



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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Finished that and now on to cleaning up where I cut the lugs off.

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A few passes to insure that the surface was flat and square to the outside lip.



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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The pulleys were cut to match the original width of the compensating sprocket.



As you can see there is a difference in diameter from the original center hub and the pulley center hole. There is also a height difference from the mounting flange on the pulley stock to the original cut up piece of compensating sprocket.


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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Turning down a piece of stock to make the spacer needed to close up all of the differences.....



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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The spacer dubbed the "retaining ring".

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