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Lastonetherebuys
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 06:12 pm: | 
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in moco's eyes Buell parts are obsolete why would they stock parts for obsolete parts if the we stocked 1 of every part that nissan has ever made I would need a building at least 20 times larger than I am in.
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Black
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 07:11 pm: |
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Guys,
Since the advent of the "just in time" and "Lean" manufacturing philosophies, no company is going to lay in a supply of parts without there being a continual demand, and maybe not even then. I needed fairings for my X-1 several years back. They had a six week lead time as they had to be manufactured. That's the way it is today. The manufacturer saves money by not buying a warehouse full of parts that may or may not ever be needed. It makes good business sense on one hand, but the customer has to wait. On the other hand, it is good for the customer as he doesn't have to pay hidden costs for manufacture of parts that are never used or for the storage of those parts.....in other words, for waste. That ain't free. Somebody always pays. What would a lawsuit accomplish? Might make you feel better if you have lots of bucks to spend launching a suit. Otherwise, you will need to show that you have been harmed in some way, and that a lawsuit can remedy that harm. For a class action suit, all of your compatriots will have to show that they have standing and ...that they have been harmed too. How do you quantify monetarily that you are really really mad because it took so long to get your parts? Do you sue Safeway next because they are out of Captain Crunch and you had to wait? If Harley violated a statute in some way, you might have an argument. Otherwise, as fun as it might sound for David to bring down Goliath, you have about as much chance as a wax legged dog running an asbestos cat through Hell. Sorry guys. |
Pizzaboy
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 08:13 pm: |
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I absolutely love my 1125R but in all honesty if i knew that Buell's doors were going to be closed not a year after I bought mine I more than likely would own a Ducati
i would probably have done the same... however my second choice behind the 1125 would have been a triumph, then aprilia... |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 09:13 pm: |
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A good deal of the above is inaccurate.
With the low cost of the parts in comparison to the set up to run them it makes great sense to run a lot to amortize the set up cost over.
If there was a delay of longer than a week getting colored parts from Buell (after 1999) is was unlikely due to a delay at Buell.
Part of the reason that there are 5,000 S3T bag liners somewhere. |
Johnnysunami1967
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 11:50 pm: |
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"I absolutely love my 1125R but in all honesty if i knew that Buell's doors were going to be closed not a year after I bought mine I more than likely would own a Ducati"
Statements like this are funny...I traded one of my Buells(1125R) for a Ducati 1098s three months before Buell was shut down...now I wish I had the Buell back... |
Rpm4x4
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 12:50 am: |
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The grass is always greener on the other side for some people. I love my Buell so much I can hardly stand it.
Im also happily married to the same woman I met when I was a teenager some 20 years ago. I dont wonder what it could have been like if I hooked up with the neighbor girl instead.
Life is so much better if you just love what you already have.
My cure to the long wait for parts is to own 2 Buells. That way if I have to wait for parts I can just ride the other and love it too. |
Swoop
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 02:28 am: |
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+1 Rpm4X4 |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 07:18 am: |
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>>>"I absolutely love my 1125R but in all honesty if i knew that Buell's doors were going to be closed not a year after I bought mine I more than likely would own a Ducati"
Before you buy a Ducati . . .be sure you get up to speed on all the stator failures they are having.
http://www.twowheelforum.com/archive/index.php/t-3 915.html
http://www.ducati-john.co.uk/ducati-points.htm
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=18856 |
Drdorsey
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 08:21 am: |
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Owing 10K for my 09 CR makes me feel like a chump when a new one could be had for 6K.
I don't think that type of value depriciation has ever happened to any other new model of motorcyle.
Whatever - I'll take my frustration out on the trottle! |
Mcballpeen
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 08:25 am: |
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>>>"I absolutely love my 1125R but in all honesty if i knew that Buell's doors were going to be closed not a year after I bought mine I more than likely would own a Ducati"
Before you buy a Ducati . . .be sure you get up to speed on all the stator failures they are having.
http://www.twowheelforum.com/archive/index.php/t-3 915.html
http://www.ducati-john.co.uk/ducati-points.htm
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=18856
Hey, at least you can get parts for a Ducati, something you can't say about a Buell. Also most service techs aren't going to confuse a Ducati with an Electro Glide. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 11:42 am: |
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>>>>Hey, at least you can get parts for a Ducati,
That's true NOW. Where were in you 1998 when Ducati (one of the many times) had been cut off by their suppliers for non-payment and you could not get parts? |
Dmhines
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 10:15 pm: |
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Too bad time sitting in the shop counted towards warranty time. If your bike is in shop for 3 months those 3 months should be added to warranty. The lawsuit could be used to prove HD knowingly sold a defective bike. Maybe that's why HD shutdown Buell and cut their losses. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 10:36 pm: |
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quote:Too bad time sitting in the shop counted towards warranty time. If your bike is in shop for 3 months those 3 months should be added to warranty.
That would be great! But unfortunately I don't know of any company, regardless of whether its computer parts, toasters, or motorcycles that does that.
quote:The lawsuit could be used to prove HD knowingly sold a defective bike.
Thats a hard thing to prove. There is a lawsuit going on with Dell over them knowingly selling computers with motherboards that will fail due to bad capacitors. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
quote:Maybe that's why HD shutdown Buell and cut their losses.
It ain't. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 11:32 pm: |
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>>>If your bike is in shop for 3 months those 3 months should be added to warranty.
And easily can be.
>>>>The lawsuit could be used to prove HD knowingly sold a defective bike.
Pure internet mouth spew.
Prove it to ME.
No kidding. Do just like I do everyday and prepare a written document, provide evidence, facts and prove it. Pretend you are on the debate team.
I submit that you have no facts at all. Just anecdotal drivel. You'd be laughed out of Court.
If you can't prove it to me, how can you it to a Court of law?
This is the kind of silly uninformed internet discussion that serves little purpose and detracts from real solutions.
I think there is a real and viable solution right before the eyes of the folks with the deficient bikes but I predict they'll get caught up in this internet lynch mob . . "let's go beat them up" and be the victim of their own mob mentality . . or lack of mentality.
That's just my personal opinion and one of the reason I stopped getting involved in resolving these things. I grew weary of chest thumpers who really weren't looking to resolve anything.
Don't get me wrong . . no one, more than me, would like to see this thing sent up HD's ass sideways.
But . . you're going to have to do better. |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 12:19 am: |
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Product liability lawsuits are born when a something is sold and for one reason or another it performs substantially below the marketplace norm. Burning body parts are not the norm. See BWB thread titled "Well the Buell Burned me..."
Was there a good faith effort;
Q1. to deliver deliver parts on a timely
basis?
A1. Too soon to say, at this point they
are a startup.
getting rid of the buell infrastructure was just as dumb as letting Iraqi army go home.
Q2. when HD priced 1125 stators at $680.00?
A2. In a market where you can buy HD
stators all day long for 100.00,
Aprilia and Ducati stators for $180.00
or less?
Who they are kidding?
Q3. by assuring quality and reliability of
parts i.e. stators?
A3. too soon to know
There are three basic areas of PL claims;
1. manufacturing defect
2. design defect
3. a failure to warn. (look at owners manual!)
stators(1,2)
excessive heat(2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_liability |
Mcballpeen
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 08:01 am: |
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The word I got from a Michael at Erik Buell Racing was that a third party is in charge of the parts after the Buell breakup. That means when Buell shut it's doors this company went in and loaded up the parts and shipped them off to a warehouse. Now there are so many parts they don't know what to do with them. They are a company that is NOT affiliated with the moco or bikes in general so they don't even know what they have in their possesion, let alone how to sell it.
I can see this happening as hardley doesn't know where the parts are or for that matter even care. They are NOT in posession of the moco.
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Oddball
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 09:44 am: |
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Ah, yet another genius move.
I don't think you'll make anyone but lawyers happy suing at this point.
But for some energy/anger vent just jam along and see if youfeel better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeXQBHLIPcw&feature=fvst
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Easylarveur
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:15 am: |
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>>>Too bad time sitting in the shop counted towards warranty time. If your bike is in shop for 3 months those 3 months should be added to warranty.
That is what is happening in France. That is in the law. If your motorbike stayed for more than 3 weeks in shop for warranty issues, then the time spend in shop is added to the warranty time. |
Dmhines
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:36 am: |
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Even Apple is already getting sued over the reception issues on the new iPhone 4 ... which is no where's near the issues the 1125's are having ... |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:46 am: |
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huh i guess i should call buell and ask about having all the shop time i've seen so far added it's been in the shop for at least 8 weeks so far and that's with only 37xxmiles |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 04:03 pm: |
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>>>>That means when Buell shut it's doors this company went in and loaded up the parts and shipped them off to a warehouse.
Partially right.
It has NOTHING to do with Buell.
This is an excerpt from an April 25, 2009.
quote:Harley plans to close its Capitol Drive plant in Wauwatosa in 2010. It also is closing its Franklin distribution center this year, outsourcing that work.
Harley-Davidson laid off employees and outsourced all the parts function and fulfillment that had previously been handled at the massive Franklin, WI (on the edge of Milwaukee) facility. |
Johnnys999
| | Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2010 - 12:36 am: |
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Court posted a thread from Ducati.ms regarding Stator failures in Ducs, indicating they were weak.
Ducati Stators are not weak they are in fact robust, its the rectifier/regulator that was the problem and only in the older Desmoquattros and early ST models. The electrical gremlins were addressed in post 2001 bikes when the rectifiers were upgraded to 3 phase from single phase, I know I went through it all with my 95 916. The electricals really got better when the Testastretta 999 was launched in 2003, since then no problems at all.
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