| Author | Message | ||
     Titusand |
I read somewhere on this forum that there is a cheat way to get the oil for the primary in, without having to remove the foot peg? Was it pouring it into the breather tube which is located adjacent to the oil drain or something? I don't remember. Or if not, does anyone have any hints about taking off that darn peg? My 2004 P3 hit 1,000 miles this week. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Yes, it can be filled through the transmission vent hose that is run up the left side of the frame under the seat. NOT the breather tube next to the oil drain. Its best to drain the bike hot and make sure its fully drained. Then add one quart through the vent hose. It takes 1 quart-no more. Its very slow to fill (cracking open the clutch cover to vent helps-but not necessary). If you spill a little, dont worry about it. It will probably take as long as it would to pull the Y-frame, but you can find other things to do while its draining and filling and its a whole lot less trouble! | ||
| Titusand |
Then what are the other two hoses clamped with the oil drain? One is identical and has a hose clamp too, and is plugged the same way, the other is a thiner and longer hose that is just open. Also, I removed both plugs from those hoses and motor oil came out of one of course, and a few drops of a white substance came from the other. What is that? Sludge and why would it be there? | ||
| Crackhead |
one is the oil drain for the tank, the other is the sludge that is burnt off when the engine oil is heated up. | ||
| Titusand |
Really? So that is to be expected then every time I change the oil? This must be some environmental control thing? I wonder how this works? | ||
| Conwaybrew |
I haven't read the technical details but the sludge is almost always there. . .  | ||
| Titusand |
On draining it, the bolt has an interference fit with the exhaust. I have opened it enough to let it dribble out. If want to remove the bolt, must I remove all the bolts from the exhaust or is there enough clearance to wiggle it out if I just remove some nearby ones? If I remove the bolts at the head, I believe I need new gaskets at the head, correct? | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Leave the bolt where it is. There isnt any real reason to pull it out. Some can wiggle it out, but that often depends on how many times the exhaust has bounced of the pavement. When I had the stock exhaust I just let it drain past the bolt. When it was drained, I cleaned the bolt off with some BrakeKleen and screwed it back in. Its certainly not worth dismantling the exhaust for! | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
On the sludge-its to be expected. Its a combination of oil, gas and water. Its 'sucked' out of the crankcase via the PCV valve on top of the rocker cover. Most (on a stock set-up) gets sucked into the carb and burned off. | ||
| Titusand |
HOW TO GET THAT PRIMARY DRAIN BOLT BACK IN? | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Patience. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Did you pull it ALL they way out (as in away from the exhaust) or is it trapped between the engine and exhaust? | ||
| Rainman |
Just did my primary fluid. Still making a mess with the bolt, glad to know it doesn't come all the way out for others. To put it back in, I take my time, use the index fingers of both hands and get zen and it usually works. TIP: On filling through the vent: I took a top from my chainsaw gear lube oil container that has the little nipple tip, put the Mobil 1 into an empty regular plastic oil container and screwed on the nipple tip. I jammed the nipple tip into the vent tube for a perfect fit, put the jug on the bike near the battery, cut a small hole into the jug for pressurization and let it drip. No muss, no fuss and by the time I got Das Boot replaced, it was done. (Message edited by Rainman on July 04, 2010) | ||
| Titusand |
Right, it won't go all the way out- it wobbles there. This is a horrible design. I thought about taking off the exhaust after about 1/2 hr of getting no where, but that appears to be as much of a pain or more with the pair of bolts that are towards the rear. I finally managed. After many, many tries with fingers and many tries propping the bolt up with a screw driver, i managed to get the threads to bite on. I also noticed that a standard Craftsman wrench won't fit well in that space. Who has an idea to make that easier?!? So no one out there has a magic way of getting that bolt in there without 1/2 hr of trying? | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Install an aftermarket exhaust  | ||
| Ezblast |
Yuppers - thats the ticket! EZ | ||
| Titusand |
Yes, I know, but actually one of the things that attracted me to this bike is the stock exhaust, the location and it unusual shape. I'm probably just stuck. | ||
| Titusand |
As to the vent hose for the primary: I find three hoses bundled together on the left side, one is oil drain, one drips sludge, and there is a smaller, and a third slightly longer and narrower one, is that 3rd one the vent hose? | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Probably (I dont remember it being narrower, only bigger). It should run up the left frame rail under the seat. It should pull out easily from there. Its also not plugged whereas the oil and PCV (sludge) lines are plugged. Except for the fuel tank vent line, there are any other vents (unless its a CA bike). You can trace the trans vent line from the top of crankcase, 6" behind the cylinder, immediately in front of the starter. | ||
| Jugallo94 |
On my bike the third hose the narrower one that isnt plugged is the fuel tank vent/overflow line. On my last oil change I decided to try and leave the PCV line unplugged and see how that worked. So far no issues other then after a ride when the bike has been sitting for a while I notice a small spot on the ground where the sludge has dripped out. | ||
| Crackhead |
the bike can also pull in unfiltered air if you leave the PCV line uncapped. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
It should be noted that it only sucks air at start-up. So if you're not using a filter, it shouldnt be pointed at an especially dirty place (like dragging on the ground). | ||
| Kpauto |
Hey so I was changing my primary oil and it cam out a brownish orange color and was sludge like. Anyone know what may be causing that? Ways to clean it out? Thanks | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
It’s contaminated with water. Drain it and refill, then check it again. |
