| Author | Message | ||
     Hughlysses |
Wow! | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
OMG THAT IS GORGEOUS!!! AND INCREDIBLE!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Jake Anon- you are a GREAT person and have done this forum another GREAT deed, for this i thank you!! | ||
| Xb9er |
WOW! that wheel is amazing. I know people say don't wish your life away but dang I wish I could go to sleep and wake up the day Erik is able to pump out street bikes again. Anony and steve thank you for posting. Your helping feed my hunger for knowledge on what was next, however, now my hunger is getting stronger! (Message edited by xb9er on June 10, 2010) | ||
| Unique_id |
I am a huge fan of engineering ingenuity and that my friends is a first and a game changer. From one fan who can't get enough of Buell, thank you! Thanks anoy! Seriously you might want to take those down, I don't want to see rip offs! (Message edited by unique_id on June 10, 2010) ================= It wasn't the booze; they *really* were impressive. Glad they were taken down; since they were never in production they probably weren't patented either. I don't want Buell's IP stolen, since, obviously they had some aces up their sleeves. (Message edited by unique_id on June 11, 2010) | ||
| Court |
Interesting times. Poof (Message edited by court on June 11, 2010) | ||
| Sekalilgai |
super cool wheel....think of the huge reduction in inertia, unsprung weight, gyroscopic forces, heck it even probably smoothed on-off throttle transitions...yow | ||
| Anonymous |
Yeah, those probably should come down. Can a forum administrator handle it? | ||
| Drhodes1970 |
Thank you for letting us see them. | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
anonymous, you can edit the post and remove the links and the pics will disappear. | ||
| Dirty_john |
Wow, what excellent wheels - I am even more angry at HD now for not having the vision to keep Buell going, why did these idiots buy MV? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Now if we could just see the drawings for the planned radical middle-weight 3-cylinder bikes...  | ||
| S21125r |
Dang! Sounds like I missed a peek at the wheel... Oh well - I'm sure we'll see it again when the time is right. Appreciate the fact that the mothership posted them long enough for some to see. | ||
| Jdugger |
Yea, I KNEW I should have done a save image. | ||
| Hughlysses |
For once I thought ahead!  | ||
| Bueller_bjorn |
Damn I missed it! I was looking forward to taking a glance at the wonderful engineering. | ||
| Xb9er |
I'm sure you'll see it some day....probably painted and on a new buell motorcycle at the dealer or better yet in your drive way. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
ohPLEASE post pics one more time, I missed them. DAMNIT! | ||
| Steve_a |
OK, those of you who saw the wheel pictures. For Sugar (the middleweight) take the same attitude that produced those wheels and apply it to every aspect of the motorcycle. The engine, in its power producing aspects, was pretty ordinary -- we were looking for a slight improvement over a Triumph 675. But for the chassis, the idea was to reinvent it around a relatively conventional package of front forks/rear-swingarm suspension. The idea was that the best cost and weight savings came from parts that haven't been reduced, but have been eliminated. No street motorcycle would have had a lower parts count than the Sugar, and its power-to-weight ratio would have been more like a literbike than a 600. That's all reasonably obscure, but if I showed you the pictures, Erik would have to kill you all. :-) | ||
| Jdugger |
The one thing I think the 1190 is missing now is an electronics package. A lot of the guys I ride with are very enamored with things like ABS and TC. It removes a mental block for them, and they trust the bike and ride faster as a result. You can have an "it's all rider" argument with them, but from a consumer's standpoint, these are the guys that can separate with $15k every other year for new hardware, and they want the perception of refinement coming with such offerings. As you might imagine, the new BMW is held in high regard. And, I must admit, having now ridden with 3 different ones of them and seen marked improvement from every rider on one (two novices, and one damn near my pace if not just as fast) from the first session on the bike, I have to admit the Germans are on to something. Buell has always led the way on chassis design, there's no question, but I think the public's perception is moving towards electronics as a more important aspect for the ordinary rider. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Steve- thanks for that info on Sugar. Hopefully one day Erik can show us the real thing instead of the pictures, without having to kill us. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
A lot of the guys I ride with are very enamored with things like ABS and TC Granted you have a very valid point, however how satisfying is going faster if it's all the bike's doing? Isn't this like the MotoGP argument whether the 500cc 2-stroke being better racing than the highly electronic 800cc bike of today? Maybe the 2-strokes went slower, but it sure was better to watch and the riders all seem to agree it was more satifying to "get right." Maybe I am way out in left field (not the first time) but personally I would rather be slower and know it's ME controlling the bike 100% than faster and relying on electronic aids. Am I nuts or what? Certainly in the minority I am sure and that's reason why electronics will probably be the new focus in production bikes--as opposed to the HP war of old. Can you see guys moving from bikes with lots of electronic aids to older bikes without any electronics? Seems like a disaster waiting to happen... And no, I have never ridden a bike with electronic aids--maybe a spin on one would change my feelings...Dunno. (Message edited by fresnobuell on June 11, 2010) | ||
| Hughlysses |
Buell was definitely moving in the direction of more electronics. For instance, the ECM's on the 2008-up bikes control more of the bike's electrics than the earlier XB's. According to at least one poster here, the 2011 Ulysses would have had ABS brakes. | ||
| Jdugger |
> Granted you have a very valid point, however > how satisfying is going faster if it's all > the bike's doing? To that consumer, they feel safer and enjoy their track day more knowing the electronic aids are there to help them if they "overdo" it. The recent Keith Code article about crash rates at his schools has cemented this viewpoint among many. I'm very much in alignment with your preferences, but my post was one about what I perceive the guy with $15k per year or every other year available for new hardware to want. It's got nothing to do with technology. It's about "what is the guy with $15k spending his $15k on?" | ||
| Zac4mac |
I now have a Uly(09) and Loretta, my 08 1125R. I like the Uly and it really is a better commuter than Loretta, but I miss all the info I get from the 1125's IC. Not to mention, the 1125R is the most comfortable long-range slab-eater I have ever piloted. I had to glue a Harley thermometer on my Uly.... still no gear indicator. Next Homecoming I get to attend, I'll ride Loretta, this time the trip will be on the Uly and the Outdoorsman luggage suite. I'll have to take care of the Uly after the trip since there won't be any air-cooled Buells in the future. See y'all in a few days. Zack | ||
| Xb9er |
I hope Erik will keep the XB line. Yes, they might be getting out of date but they rock and a simple motorcycle is getting to be few and far between. Can someone change the name of this thread to "O, what will be"  | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
i doubt erik will be able to keep the xb line. they use a harley engine, the whole reason harley wouldn't sell buell is so they could keep the patents on all the xb heads and tech on the sportster motor. The only way i could see the xb line staying is if they buy the motors from harley. And besides, all along i think erik wanted a true liquid cooled motor, i would imagine he will take the 1125 and run with that. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I'm sure Rotax could do a fine air-cooled 45 degree V-twin if given the chance. | ||
| Brumbear |
That would work for me let Harley keep the xb just get the barracuda rolling it is a thing of beauty. The CR with the up bars can function as a street fighter and a uly like platform!!!!!!!!!!!!!A cityX with a helicon 1190 detuned oh I gotta stop I'm getting cranked up | ||
| Kokomochandler |
can someone email me the wheel pic ? i didnt see it. kokomochandler@hotmail.com | ||
| Xb9er |
I know that harley wouldn't let Erik use the thunderstorm motors when he starts street bikes again. But I hope he will develop something along the same lines as the XB series. Something very simple and air cooled with no valves. From what Steve said it sounds like Sugar was just that. So how about that change to O, what will be!!! |
