| Author | Message | ||
     Buelltroll |
After OVER A MONTH wait for voltage regulator to get here and go in, It's still having random surging issues. They THINK it's the 02 sensor n have now been waiting for one of those for a week and a half. Isn't there a bosch one I can buy at pep boys that will fit my 03 9R ?   | ||
| Froggy |
Bosch 12014 Oxygen Sensor | ||
| Buelltroll |
Thanks yeah I got the list after 15 min of no replies n 20 minutes of digging thru the search crap. | ||
| Greg_e |
Really sounds like you need to go to a different dealer. Sounds like they will just keep replacing stuff until you run out of money and they really have no idea what the issue might be. I'm guessing that their next "might be" will be the temp sensor or wiring harness. After that one of the injectors, then the other injector, then the TPS. I suggest find someone near you that knows a little about these machines and has ECMspy and a cable and see if they will help you. Alternate is to find a dealer near you that actually knows what a Buell is and how to fix them and see what they say. FYI, surging from an O2 should be about every second or so, up one second and down the next. Pretty sure that is the interval that they are sampled on these machines. And sorry for the delay, I was working in a different room and no internet there. | ||
| New12r |
The o2 wont cause a surge anyway, it only reads the mixture for AFV values. You fueling and timing are based on RPM and TPS voltage. My throttle shaft has a little play and that play causes fluctuations in the TPS, this is the cause of my surging. | ||
| Cataract2 |
WTH would they replace a volt reg for a surging issue? Seriously, that would not be the place I would start looking, and you can check that in 2 seconds if you really feel it's that. Sigh, anyways, it could be the O2 sensor and a quick check with ECMSpy would verify that, though another thing it could be is an intake leak. | ||
| Buelltroll |
OK whole story time I guess. One day about a month n a half two months ago I decided to go for a ride. Bike didn't seem to want to start,but after a couple cranks it did so off I went. Started sputtering as soon as I left from first stop sign, Died at the next one. Bump started it n heading home I had to keep revving the throttle to keep it from stalling but it did eventually die n had to get the truck to get it home n to the dealer. A MONTH or so later after me calling once a week I suggested that maybe it was the VR or stator because they had been replaced a couple years ago. Sure enough they said the whole top of the VR was cracked like someone just mashed it in there n bolted it down. After ANOTHER month or so of backorder and me arguing with them to get one from Al the VR comes in. Now all of a sudden they also find a intake leak and fix it then "bad" plug wires n replace them. Still doing it. It's not throwing a code so they're diag. testing as they go is how he explained it. So he tells me they think its the o2 sensor n have been waiting on that for 2 weeks now. The bike ran GREAT at 100mph plus. It was when I'd get back into town n town speeds that it just wouldn't stay running. I've been to every dealer within 100miles of me n these guys are sadly the best of the bunch. All this is hopefully covered under extended warranty but that little gem(that has LITERALLY paid for itself twice) runs out in june or july.... | ||
| Reepicheep |
I wonder if at some point somebody will check the fuel pump... | ||
| Ironhead1977 |
My ecm was cracked causing the same symptoms. | ||
| Greg_e |
If the ECM was cracked it should throw some kind of code. Fuel pump and filter would be a good place to check. You should call the Harley service help line that Buell used to operate and explain everything to them, maybe a little pressure from the top will get things moving. | ||
| Buelltroll |
So this is the list I dug out of the search files. Any of these will work? None are like a special 3 wire remote ma bob or anything like that? Buell/GM/AC Delco- 25162693 NTK- 21002 Airtek- 553071 Bosch- 12014 Denso- 234-1001 Walker- 250-21001 SNG- SNI-15 I'm gonna call again today, If it still isn't in I guess I get to buy the parts. Anywhere else I should "suggest" they check? lol how messed up is it that I have to buy the parts for my dealer AND suggest where n what to check.  | ||
| Buelltroll |
Part is STILL not in. Asked if I could buy it n bring it up since the part is avail at ANY part store and they said weeeell IDK it has to be a harley part number. When I explained that the "buell" o2 sensor was really just a GM/AC Delco unit n that there is actually 6 others that will work too they said they'd have to call it in n would call me back......anyone wanna buy a throughly used dead horse thats given me nothing but problems since the day I bought it???....lol | ||
| Greg_e |
I'll offer one dollar. Those lunk heads can easily look at the part number stamped on the sensor and go get it at Napa or Autozone, etc. I would again suggest calling the Buell help number: Part way down this page, hopefully the number still works http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=6&post=1195809 1-414-343-8400 I suggest reading Court's directions on how to make your case to them (assuming the number still connects. If it no longer connects I'd suggest google for a Harley customer support number and try that one. | ||
| Buelltroll |
Lol thanks for the suggestion but sorry man I just don't feel like dealing with a whole new set of asshats. I seriously doubt theres much of a customer support service for an out of buisness company. | ||
| Greg_e |
Well, you do have a warranty, so they do need to help you unless you come off like an a-hole on the phone. At this point what do you have to lose, you hate the bike now so you can either get the company involved, or toss the bike because no one seems to be able to fix it properly. | ||
| Ironhead1977 |
Greg, you would think a cracked ecm would throw a code,but it didn't. The tech at the dealership swapped it out just because they found the crack and could not find anything else. It solved the problem. | ||
| M1combat |
I'd check the intake seals. | ||
| Buelltroll |
o2 sensor will be here wendsday.... | ||
| Spacecapsule1 |
.....try to remain calm. my bike has been in the shop since march 19. for the 5th wiring harness failure since i bought it brand new in 08.... i know how you feel. keep a friendly attitude with the dealer. i know its hard to do at times. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Wow. You guys are patient. I think mine would have had a "boating accident" by now!  "oops! I thought it was a freeway on-ramp" | ||
| Buelltroll |
After I suggested cracked ecm that's apparently it. (I should quit my dayjob n become a tech... thats 2 times I had to figure it out from the comfort of my computer chair :P )Now I owe 200$ because the service manager is sick of all the time the tech has spent on the bike diagnosing and fixing up to this point(12+ hrs)((and I'm not disputing that at all he had a huge list of the crap hed checked and done)) even tho none of them were the actual issue they were minor issues in themselves and saying ex warranty only covers so much.....Well I don't see any crack but apparently there is a minute movement in the ecm plug, I brought my stock ecm up to the dealer and they are gonna put it in and hope for the best. I couldn't really get an answer about "what if it ISN'T it and its still doing it am I going to have to start paying for labor now?" I understand all there points too but isn't this EXACTLY what extend warranty is for??? should I call the extnded warrnty ppl and cry about it? Or should I suck it up and realise 200$(INCLUDING 50$ deductable) for 12+hrs of labor is a helluva deal? (Message edited by buelltroll on June 03, 2010) (Message edited by buelltroll on June 03, 2010) | ||
| Greg_e |
You need to call the warranty company, not your fault they couldn't find the problem. Of course since you had a different ECM in there, they could deny the entire thing. What are you going to do with the dead ECM? | ||
| Buelltroll |
Almost 2 months to the day ,It's fixed.  Still don't see a crack or any wiggle in the ECM connector so IDK but it runs good even with the stock ECM, No stumbles no stalls at low speed. I bent over n paid the 200$ because extnded warrnty does NOT cover diagnosis n with the tech having almost 20 hrs into it I figured its a helluva deal. Dunno what Ima do with the ECM I don't have ecmspy to dick with it so it'll probably just start collecting dust. So after all the pissing n moaning I do have to give it up to the guys at HALL'S hd/buell in Chico, They plugged along at it till it was straight n you just don't see that too often with this brand at a dealer. Thanks again Mark n Doug(?) for stickin with it, I know you guys are gonna read this and if your ever down in YC hit me up n we'll burn a bone  | ||
| Spacecapsule1 |
so what was the problem? | ||
| Buelltroll |
A cracked race ECM that looks perfect to me  | ||
| Nightripper |
any competent service tech should have have been able to trouble shoot the problem and fix it in no more than 2 hrs. labor. | ||
| Greg_e |
Is the race ecm filled with that damn black rubber compound? If not I can take a look at it and see if it is just a bad solder joint and fix it. | ||
| Buelltroll |
I dunno for now now Ima just leave sht alone n try to enjoy some seat time in it befor it craps out again | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
Ive had weird things going on with Buells in the past when diagnosing problems like yours and found that the "Engine Temp Sensor" will do some weird things when not working properly. Throws Technicians off a lot. Ive changed them out and all was good again. Why? I do not know but it is food for thought for ya. | ||
| Buelltroll |
They replaced the ETS and the crank sensor too. Runs a LITTLE rough with the stock ECM but it HAS been running pretty much trouble free since they ditched the race ECM. |
