| Author | Message | ||
     Tbowdre |
I was speeding AND I had no mirrors. I once upon a time "heard" that some police do not want to write more than one ticket/citation per stop. This was explained to me that if I was to say I did not have proof of insurance that they would blow off the speeding and just issue a citation for no proof of insurance. I know, I know... It is okay to call me a moron.... and i am not a girl... LOL todd | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Cool, I will be sure to speed after having some drinks. (Message edited by fresnobuell on June 03, 2010) | ||
| Xnoahx |
In times like these im sure that departments need to issue as many tickets as they can to generate revenue. If they can pop one guy for multiple things, I would imagine they would. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
They will write more than one ticket at a time. They might not all of the time, but its not a rule they have to only write one ticket per stop. | ||
| Froggy |
I was in a similar situation today. Merging onto a highway, it has a sharp right hand 270° turn, so of course like clock work every day I take the turn a little hot. I get most of the way through the turn and there was a state trooper stopped standing there running one of those checkpoints to nail people for expired stickers and whatever else they can find. I thought I was going to shat a brick, as I was riding my XB which due to my wreck last year had no mirrors, no signals, burnt out headlight, no inspection, wrong license plate, non street legal tire and god knows whatever infractions he could nail me for. He just waved me through! Interesting question though, I would believe it is up to the officers discretion. | ||
| Redbuell1203 |
Froggy I would just call it luck. My brother is an officer and said that he has written multiple tickets to a single person, but also said that he was being very disruptive to him(which didn't help). | ||
| Ratgin |
There is no rule on tickets. Give as many or as few as you want depending on your customer. Your attitude will likely influence the volume. | ||
| Reducati |
 Your attitude will likely influence the volume. | ||
| Syonyk |
Your attitude will likely influence the volume. ++ to *that* - an irritated police officer can find as many things to cite you for as he/she wants. Including being rude to a police officer or showing aggression. Though that may get you tazed instead. To the OP: I don't think that's true. I've certainly gotten multiple things listed before. | ||
| Pbharvey |
I have mirrors on my 1125R but can't see anything out of them except a bunch of jumpy blurry things. Actually sometimes I worry that I might get lit up and not see the police and then be in bigger trouble. As far as tickets, I'm pretty sure the officer can keep writing until he runs out of ink. } | ||
| Forerunner |
"I'm going to let you dictate the hostility level of this conversation." Nels | ||
| Jdugger |
I got a performance award in Marshall, Arkansas a couple of weeks ago. I called the court: "I have a clean record, do you have a probation program?" "Yes we do! In that case, just pay an additional $15 and make your money order out directly to the police department. Don't get a ticket for 30 days and we will throw it out." I love transparent government! Basically, cops are only useful for backfilling revenue shortages and creating jobs for themselves. Don't believe me? Well ask the academic community who studied the issue: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id =923158 And there ya go. Give a man a badge and he can pretty much do whatever the •••• he feels like doing, including really ruining your day. Don't believe me? Ask this poor guy who should have gotten a ticket for reckless driving, but instead got a gun pulled on him. When he posted the video of the abuse, the officer got his buddy DA to throw the entire book at him. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/05/25/ am.costello.recording.cops.cnn If you follow the story a bit, you will find out the ACLU and public defense councils are getting involved because the DA keeps trying to throw inapplicable charges on the kid. NEVER give a guy with the state's wallet a reason to suspect you. Right on wrong, you are going to lose. Even if you "win", you will be out tens of thousands of dollars, and the cop will maybe get a slap on the wrist or an irrelevant note in his service record. A lot of cops have a real vindictive streak in them -- maybe they were beat up as little kids or something -- but regardless, your best bet is to stay clean, as far away from them as possible, and interact as little as possible with them. Don't give them reason to engage you. Clean up your bike and get it squeaky legal. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
A lot of cops have a real vindictive streak in them -- maybe they were beat up as little kids or something -- but regardless, your best bet is to stay clean, as far away from them as possible, and interact as little as possible with them. Don't give them reason to engage you. I agree 100% with your assessment of police. If the kid in the video would have made a move to evade and go around the OFF_DUTY cop, he would have gotten killed and the whole thing would have been about the motorcyclist's attempted murder with his bike, NOT that the offduty cop pulled a gun instead of identifying himself. Is that shit legal as far as the off-duty cop pulling a stunt like that? | ||
| Jdugger |
> Is that shit legal as far as the off-duty cop pulling a stunt like that? Irrelevant. If the DA won't prosecute for it, it's effectively not illegal. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I am wondering if it's legal for an off-duty cop to play cop? I mean c'mon if you are off-duty, then you are off-duty, you are not working. How can you have cop powers not working? | ||
| Daniii |
I've been stopped twice on the CR (once in my driveway after a spirited run through the neighborhood). Both times, when I pulled off the full face helmet, the cop was so surprised to see a geezer in there, they let me go without any paperwork. :-) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
There are a FEW advantages to having some years on ya and that's certainly one of 'em | ||
| Ron_luning |
Why would that guy pull over for a Ford Contour or whatever POS that off duty cop was driving? I wouldn't even slow down for anything other than a marked police vehicle unless it had a serious rig of flashing lights, including blue/red. And then this idiot cop pulls out a gun like the guy on the bike was threatening him in any way. If he pulled over for an unmarked car, he obviously isn't a hardened criminal. Remember not to judge all police by the example set by clowns like this though. They're not all dicks or morons, just most. | ||
| Ratgin |
Dont want to get involved in this crapfest but jesus give your heads a shake. Re the arrest You will see the marked car that was trying to stop him, is behind him. The unmarked car is infront of him. The guy was pulling around stopped traffic on shoulder of road. Not interested on commenting if he was justified in the drawing of his firearm other then to say ive had to use mine more then once. It sucks but its a tool and sometimes it has to be used. On the off duty issue. No such thing as off duty. Much like a solider your 24/7. Do something stupid off duty and you can/will face charges for it internally. On the tickets. LMAO. Seriously? this is your arguement on why cops give you tickets? A one percentage point decrease in revenue yields a 0.38 percentage point increase in traffic tickets How about you were driving like a tool and drew attention to your self and your bike wasnt up to snuff. You then acted like an ass and as a result you ate a bunch of tickets. Rule one. Dont draw attention to ones self. Even i avoid the bike hangouts driving my harley with an exhaust i KNOW will cause me to get stopped. Its not worth the hassle so i avoid it. Rule two. If you cant resist rule one then make certain you arnt breaking the law (traffic or criminal) and your vehicle is in proper order. Rule three. If you cant resist Rule one and Rule two then be nice and expect and accept you will be ticketed. If your not ticketed then someone is just as likely to bitch to the coppers superiors that they stood around and did nothing when some •••••• did something stupid and it will cost them some days pay. Its really all up to you. Dont break the rules and you wont get tickets. If you do break em then dont bitch when you have to pay. | ||
| Barker |
Every time I have been pulled over they never mentioned it. No mirrors is the least of their worries. | ||
| Jdugger |
> Dont break the rules and you wont get tickets. Please. I got a ticket in a 40 MPH zone set up just inside city limits after turning off a MARKED 55 zone. The 40 zone is only marked if you use the alternate approach. Speeding tickets are PRIMARILY for revenue generation, plain and simple. It's got nothing to do with public safety. Those traps are set up to catch people. They are deliberately tricky. We have tens of towns in Texas that get in excess of 75% of their entire municipal budgets from speeding tickets. Palmer, TX, outside Dallas, has about 300 population and a 12-full time officer police force, including a chief making almost $150k per year. c'mon man, pull your head out of your butt. There's not way that town could afford one full time officer, much less a full force. The tax base just isn't there, but a one mile segment of I-45 annexed by the city is... Do some research on the Dallas County constables and tell me there's even one honest officer in the whole lot of 'em. > A one percentage point decrease in revenue yields a 0.38 percentage point increase in traffic tickets That is quite statistically significant. Basically, it's saying if a town has a 5% drop in tax revenue, one can expect the police force to increase the number of traffic citations by almost 2%. I get in arguments with police officers all the time about this kind of thing, and what I've learned over the years is generally they don't 1) understand electromagnetism and electromagnetic radiation, and despite their loud and confident pontifications on radar, actually don't know their own heads from their tails about the physics of the devices, and 2) aren't particularly acute on scientific method, either, and consequently can't read an academic study critically or objectively and derive any understanding from it. It sucks hearing that what you do for a living is suck resources out of the system and live of the backs of otherwise good people, but it's largely the truth. At least in Texas I can keep a piece in my house and have a fighting chance. Average response time here to a 911 call is about 35 minutes, and I live in the 8th largest city in the US. There's a guy giving tickets at the end of my block every morning, though. | ||
| Reducati |
"Ask this poor guy who should have gotten a ticket for reckless driving, but instead got a gun pulled on him. When he posted the video of the abuse, the officer got his buddy DA to throw the entire book at him." ....fn please...100mph...if he caused and accident which killed someone you loved, you would have been pissed the police didnt do something sooner...laws are enacted by the people you elect, and enforced by the people in law enforcement...you have a problem with the police, stop immediately follow commands, and take your arguement to court...wtf | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Funny, on my street at work there are always motor cops generating revenue...however businesses ROUTINELY get broken into on the same block these heroes are writing up traffic tickets. How is hiding under the cover of darkness in a largely industrial area looking out for "public safety?" A couple motor cops were hanging out close to my office making money for the City and I asked them (9:30PM mind you and empty streets) what the point was and if they knew businesses were routinely broken into in the very same complex they were hiding? The idiot seriously said there are homeless people crossing the street at that time of night and he thought the 40MPH limit was too fast. Of course, the homeless are jaywalking. But then there's no money in writing up a homeless person for jaywalking is there? He didn't answer the part about the real crime happening behind their backs... F'ing joke man. The whole system is. I am sorry. | ||
| Jdugger |
> and take your arguement to court.. You still loose. If a cop decides he doesn't like you, he can arrest you for any charge he wants. Your bike is towed, you are jailed. 4-8 hours later, a judge hears the charge, laughs, and throws the entire case out as having no merit. Apologies for your arrest. You face a $1,000+ attorney's bill, a lost day, and $500 or so in fees recovering your bike. Cop gets nothing. Who won? That kid was way wrong, no doubt, but what he did was reckless driving. So, fine him for that. Don't charge him with a crazy inapplicable "dual party consent" law that doesn't apply, and then set his bail at $15,000 when the max fine for the crime is $10,000. If you go look that case, you will find a cop and a DA rampantly using their power to give this kid substantial grief well beyond what a conviction for reckless driving constitute. You wanna talk following the law? Let's do that. Both sides gotta play fair. | ||
| Ratgin |
I get in arguments with police officers all the time about this kind of thing, and what I've learned over the years is ... you don't like the message and refuse to look at any other point of view? You got caught for speeding. You were speeding. So you can be bitter and upset about the injustice of getting a speeding ticket or slow down and continue to race on the track. If a cop decides he doesn't like you, he can arrest you for any charge he wants Come on that's just a troll and you know it. If that were the case you would be a retired millionaire living off the court judgment. Hell even i might try that out. I could get used to,,, swimming pools... movie stars... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
A reckless driving charge is no joke. Quite serious 2 point offense here in CA with a mandatory suspended license (I believe) and a huge fine. 100 MPH isn't really that obscene anyway...i am not saying the kid wasn't wrong, but like Jim said it fits reckless driving to a T--they can't make it up as they go. | ||
| Jrfarrow1987 |
a few weeks ago i got pulled over twice in as many days the first time they got me (weaving)they wrote tickets for no license no tags no insurance and wreck less driving the next day i get pulled over imediatly after pulling out of my driveway (pulled out on the back wheel) and the officer only gets me for no license moral to the story dont be an idiot and they dont even stop you another moral is always know someone in high places i walked out of court after seeing the judge for all 5 citations paying a grand total of $65 and that wasnt a fine just court cost thank god for the people we know | ||
| Fast1075 |
Funny this came up...in my younger years, I became very familiar with all the local traffic cops. I just could not get it thru my head that there were rules to play by. I got speeding, reckless, display of speed, racing in public, you name it...I once got caught by a trooper going at LEAST 145mph ....Glad it was way back then...most of my old antics would have me in a lock-up today... But the point is, looking back I deserved every one of them. The officers by and large treated me professionally especially the FHP guys. I still get a little crazy with my XB....but I plan it and limit my hard riding to places where there can be no officers lurking.... Maybe my experiences have been unique...I will say no one ever wrote me a bs 1mph over the limit ticket or anything asshatlike... Last month I was out riding...twisties are at a premium here, so I don't waste 'em....anyways, on a Sunday morning I fell in behind a smoke spewing minivan crawling along my favorite road...I passed the van in a no passing zone, dove into the corner hard...exiting the corner sits an unmarked car with a radar gun....oh crap !!! I nearly just stopped and walked up.....but as I came past him...he gave me the slow down hand sign....so not everybody out there in every city is an ••••••...just sayin' As for the towns where the traffic court brings in the bulk of the money...yes there are towns like that...there is one just north of me that was so bad 60 minutes did a story about it. Be very careful driving thru Minneola Florida  . (Message edited by fast1075 on June 04, 2010) | ||
| Westmoorenerd |
I saw that episode of 60 minutes...crazy stuff. But like everyone says, as long as you follow the rules of the road perfectly, you'll be fine. Of course I don't, but I'm perfectly prepared to be pulled over and given a ticket. Luckily out here a lot of cops ride, so they tend to not care too much if you have a little fun away from the main flow of traffic. Just don't act like a retard in the middle of town. Most of the times all I get is a little flash of the light or siren as a warning and heads up. | ||
| Jdugger |
> Come on that's just a troll and you know it Happens more than you would think. If I am *anything* here, it's NOT a troll, btw. Between the acedemic studies of traffic ticket utilization, the well known truth that 85% of the entire driving population will drive about the same as each other's speed on a given road, and yet speed limits are routinely "dipped" below that just in spots for enforcement, and situations like what happened to me last week where the police department will tear up the ticket if I just pay a little bit extra money... c'mon man, that profession is indefensible. It's as crooked as any out there -- basically legalized extortion. Our Dallas county constables are going through a huge scandal right now because they would arrest individuals on trumped up charges, get the bails set so high they were stuck in jail, and the DRIVE THE DEFENDENT'S CAR AROUND for weeks and months on end. It wasn't a couple of them, either, it was shockingly large number of the officers. My argument has LONG been that it's impossible to follow the rules of the road perfectly. In this last case, like I said, the speed limit was only marked if you approached from the other direction. From my direction, it was a STATE HIGHWAY, speed limit 55, and that's what the officer wrote me up for. Since it's a small town of 1300 people -- the chief of police himself wrote the ticket! -- the city court is in on the gag, too. Actually, it was the court clerk that told me for probation to make the money order out to the police department directly! Check it out... Marshall, Arkansas. Has at least 4-5 cops ON PATROL all the time. You think a city with that tiny tax base affords such a large police presence on property and sales taxes? |
