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Willkill
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 07:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I own an '08 1125r with approximately 1000miles on it. Recently I have been having starting issues with the bike. It seems that the problem only occurs when I have ridden the bike(making it hot/normal running temp), then park it and attempt to start it again within a few minutes.

Upon attempted restart, it will crank a couple of times. Then, it will act as if the battery is dead(starter just "clicks", lacking power to turn the motor). While attempting to start it, the display reads "System Voltage Error".

I can start the bike, but need to wait 20-30 mins before it has enough power to start.

The bike is under warranty, and I have had it into my local dealer twice now for the problem. Each time, they are unable to find anything wrong with the electrical system and battery. Service reps say that "everything is within spec".

I guess you guys are my last chance at a diagnosis, since I am sure that when I get the bike back from the dealership this time it will still have the same problem.

Any ideas? Thanks again...
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Nillaice
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 07:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that is exactly what mine was doing. i got some face time with the tech, and we came to an understanding that there is a very real problem.

keep at it!
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Cataract2
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bad battery?
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Mr_t_1125r
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My bike does the same thing, short 5 mile ride to get gas, filled it and no start, the same click, battery light on, waited 10 minutes and it just barley started. Just yesterday morning sitting overnight without the battery tender on for 2 days and the same click and no start. I usually keep a battery tender on it all the time. I got the bike as a leftover and the dealer said a new battery was put in. The fans must draw a lot of juice and were on during the gas fill for about a minute. Didn't bring it into the dealer yet as I do the battery tender thing, could be the battery is almost toast along with the charging harness upgrade barely being able to keep up. I wonder if there is a difference with the key in or out of the bike when sitting, does anyone know if the anti-theft thing draws juice while the bike sits. The no start sitting overnight was key out, I usually keep my key in as it's in a garage.
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Ekruizenga
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

some of the '08's had a bad cluster that had a parasitic draw, causing charging issues and battery draining.

Search the forum for "clusters" "IC" it should have been around end of last summer.
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Willkill
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cataract2-
The tech's have checked the battery both times and found it to be "within Spec".


I always pull my key out after reading some posts on here and hearing a few rumors of issues associated with said action on here. So, that's not the issue.


Mr_t_1125r-
It's funny that you mention your situation because I have had the issue of my bike not starting after leaving it off of the battery tender for one night. It's not fair for a rider to be limited in what he can and cannot do based on if he has access to plug in his bike at night. For instance, I'm going to Road America for the AMA Superbike races next weekend. My buddies and I are camping...and won't have easy access to electricity. What am I supposed to do, hope and pray that my bike will start in the morning's when we wake up and want to start riding?

Nillaice-
Any news on yours? What did the dealership think that the problem was?


Just for clarification guys:
I am by no means bashing the dealer I have working on the bike. They've been great to me and as helpful and polite as any I have ever dealt with. I'm just VERY frustrated with the bike right now. I have put on more miles driving the bike back and forth to the dealership for service work than I have for enjoyment.
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Dktechguy112
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 01:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

check the crank position sensor, if the crank sensor is bad, the bike will crank for a few seconds and if the ecm can't read the crank sensor, it will not allow the bike to crank. The crank sensor is right by the front pulley. You have to remove the belt guard that covers the front pulley, its really easy, only 1 bolt. Then you will see a black sensor sticking out of the engine near the pulley, that's the crank sensor.

(Message edited by dktechguy112 on May 30, 2010)

(Message edited by dktechguy112 on May 30, 2010)
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Ratsmc
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 02:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I am by no means bashing the dealer I have working on the bike. They've been great to me and as helpful and polite as any I have ever dealt with. I'm just VERY frustrated with the bike right now. I have put on more miles driving the bike back and forth to the dealership for service work than I have for enjoyment.




I have been dealing with a dealer that is very nice but has completely failed to actually fix my problem. I recognize the importance of maintaining a good relationship with the guy whose hands are in the guts of your bike but you have to know that there is a difference between "nice" and "competent".
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Willkill
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 02:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/542239.html

I have done some searching and found this thread useful, but I'm still not totally convinced that this would be the problem. As stated before, I make note to pull the key and flip the kill-switch each time I shut down the bike.

Dktechguy112-
Thanks. I'll mention the crank position sensor to the dealer next time I call them.

FYI, my bike is still at the dealership. They said that they wanted to keep it overnight for a few nights to check on battery drain. I have not heard any additional info since, so I figure that they have found none, but we'll see.

(Message edited by willkill on May 30, 2010)
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Willkill
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 02:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ratsmc- I do agree with you. However I have complete confidence with this dealership at this time. Most who know of it would agree that the dealership I go through(check my profile)is one of the top-end former Buell dealer's in the nation.
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_gdkp_
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 04:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@willkill

hi im from austria and in the german forum a guy has the same problem like you´ve written - with him the crank sensor is not tight fittend, he is loose!!

Check if this sensor is really tight fittenend!

Do Americans always turns out the engine with the kill switch? - In Europe its usual to turn the key to the off position only... - the kill switch normally used if you´re getting crashed and the bike should be running ... ; )

Kevin

(Message edited by _gdkp_ on May 30, 2010)
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Nillaice
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 06:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

last i was told; it is still being "looked into" ... but i've also heard of someone ordering a pod and it was taking so long cuz it was 'held up in paint'

i think there is something else wrong with mine besides the stator/charging sys issue, but i've only started reading the electrical manual.
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Fuego
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Based on the indication of low battery from the cluster during this condition, I would suggest looking closely at the battery grounds and the battery connection on the starter solenoid post.
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