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Puzzled
| | Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 06:53 am: | 
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Enjoy your trip. |
Puzzled
| | Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 07:15 am: |
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"Looks" like 142HP +/- and 112 Nm (82.6 pound feet) at max RPM. Nice curves, 
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Puzzled
| | Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 09:53 pm: |
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I look forward to loading the map this weekend.  |
Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 10:48 pm: |
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The map looks good, but $225 for a map that is permanently attached to my bike (IE I can't unload it and resell it if I ever sell my bike--not that I plan to ever part with my 1125) is a bit more than I'd be willing to spend. $250 buys an Eee Bee Argh ECM that I can remove and sell if part with my bike--it might not make as impressive of dyno numbers, but if it makes more power than stock and provides better rideability then that's where I'd spend that money.
My sweet spot for a "install and can't uninstall or resell it" tune is $100. I might go as high as $150 for a really good tune (like in this case) but that's absolute tops for what I'd be willing to spend.
I don't mean to thread crap.. I'm just saying that this is something I would be interested if the price was right. If not, I can live with my 1125R with the most recent flash. |
Andros
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 08:55 am: |
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Its cheap compared to a full blown dyno session. |
Therealassmikeg
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 12:38 pm: |
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It's easy to convince yourself that you can live with something until you've had better.
Once you have it you'll wonder how you could have lived without it... |
Puzzled
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 12:44 pm: |
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$225 is a bargain considering what it is and what went into it to make the map. |
Jeepinbueller
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 01:29 pm: |
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For those of us who have the Barker's and the tune, how was the process? I'm assuming I would need to buy the $30 cable to hook up my computer to the ECM, but other than that is there anything else involved? I'm having trouble visualizing how the remote install process works.
Also, what implications can I expect when I go get service done or if an updated flash needs to be done due to service or a future "upgrade" -- something we can really forsee until that time comes. Thanks! |
Puzzled
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 06:47 pm: |
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The process was very simple. I cleaned the garage while Dave flashed the bike!
You will need a cable which you can either buy or rent (according to Fuelsolutions web site).
You will need to have the latest flash in your bike before you start. (I didn't and I had to run down and the dealer did it on the spot, props to Schoch's HD)
The remote process is simply Dave logging on to your computer from his location. Very simple.
As for future Buell flash upgrades (which I don't forsee) they would be written over the Fuelsolutions flash.
The Fuelsolutions deal can be done a number of ways...
This is for the customer that wants his bike reprogrammed by us via a remote Internet session. The customer does not receive any software nor does it require removing the ECM from the bike; we reprogram your own ECM via your Internet connection and computer. $225 USD
We reflash YOUR ECM with the latest factory flash available, then reprogram it with a Fuel Solutions calibration. Then we send the ECM back to the customer. $422 USD
The Fuel Solutions Flash Utility is a Windows software application that is used to flash the Stock Buell OEM ECM with a Fuel Solutions custom calibration. $299 USD
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Therealassmikeg
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 06:52 pm: |
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So, are you as impressed as I? |
Puzzled
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 07:03 pm: |
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Ok so like I was saying.... I had my ECM flashed with the Fuel Solutions Barker based map today. Now while I only got a few miles in on the bike running from exit to exit on the highway I can say holy shit there is a difference. I thought my bike was relatively smooth previously..... not even close in comparison. The low speed drive-ability is very smooth now. The overall power is very linear as where it use to feel like it was kicking in at a certain RPM. I look forward to getting some miles on this tune. The decel popping is gone. The overall sound of the bike is quieter and I didn't have my ear plugs in. (Time to open up the Barkers!). |
Puzzled
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 07:08 pm: |
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So, are you as impressed as I?
With the small amount of riding I did, YES.
I will assume that as good as it was just putting out to the highway than rolling on it, it will be even better once I really get to jump on it some. My test bike is my old 06 GSXR 1000. At first in stock trim I had nothing for him. Recently I have been able to keep pace with the Barkers and K&N. Now I want to see where I fit in!
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Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 10:34 am: |
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Here are a few "what ifs" I have regarding buying a remote reflash of the stock ECM:
--What if my bike has engine related problems and I need to take it in for warranty service? If word gets back to Buell that I'm running an aftermarket ECM map, that could certainly be used to deny warranty service.
--What if my bike is at the dealer and they reflash the ECM, overwriting the Fuelsolutions map. Will I have to rebuy the $225 map to get it reinstalled on my bike?
--What if I sell my bike? What if I crash my bike and total it? Will I be able to use the map on my next bike, or will I be able to sell it apart from my bike to recoup some of the cost?
These are all relatively significant concerns, and they are all ones that are alleviated by buying something like the Eee Bee Argh ECM, which is only $25 more than the Fuelsolutions tune. Is the E B R ECM specifically tuned for the Barker exhaust? Of course not. But does it post a significant improvement in rideability, similar to the Fuelsolutions tune? Sure.
My point being that if $250 buys me a solution that bypasses all of those potential issues, then a solution which can have significant drawbacks should be noticeably cheaper. How much cheaper? If it was $100, I'd consider it worth the risk and do it. If it was $150, I'd probably still do it. For more than that, I'll go with the E B R ECM.
Now if Fuelsolutions offered a complete reprogrammed ECM like E B R and even if it was a bit more expensive--say $300--then I'd take that route since the tune would be specific to my particular exhaust. But seeing as how it costs $422 just to ship off my ECM, have it reflashed, and then shipped back to me, I just don't think a $300 ECM from Fuelsolutions would be in the cards.
I don't mean to thread crap. This is very similar to the conversation I had with the Old Sweaty Balls guy and I think tuning vendors should keep in mind the pricing of their competition if they want to get the best possible sales from their product. |
Puzzled
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 10:43 am: |
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So why not purchase the $299 package that has the software that allows you to R&R the flash? This would give you a map for your exhaust and allow you to remove the flash prior to trips to the dealer.}
The Fuel Solutions Flash Utility is a Windows software application that is used to flash the Stock Buell OEM ECM with a Fuel Solutions custom calibration. $299 USD |
Puzzled
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 10:45 am: |
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Now with that said is the $299 just the software or the software and a map? (like a PCV?) |
Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 12:12 pm: |
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Hey Puzzled, if the $299 package includes the Barker tune and gives me the ability to install and uninstall the Barker tune at will, and gives me the ability to remove the tune from my bike and sell it separately at some point should I choose to do so, then that would be a reasonable alternative. (That's still a bit more than I'd like to spend for just a piece of software, given that $250 sent to E B R buys me an ECM that I can actually hold in my hand, but I would strongly consider the $299 package if it gave me complete autonomy over what to do with the tune.)
However, for some reason, I seem to recall reading that the $299 package is just the software that lets you modify your existing ECM and doesn't include an actual tune. |
Therealassmikeg
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 06:07 pm: |
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Honestly, I would recommend contacting fuel solutions and ask what it going to cost you to get what you want, then You
can make your decision based on the prices offered and what You are willing to spend.
Cheers,
Mike |
Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 08:56 pm: |
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Mike, what I want is to see the tune offered for $150 or less. For that price, I am willing to risk the potential drawbacks compared to buying a plug and play solution like the e b r ECM.
Or if the $225 price is firm (and I'm guessing it is), I'd like to have the autonomy to do what I want with the tune and my bike. But it sounds like that option might be $299, and even that's not a sure thing. |
Easyrider
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 09:52 pm: |
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Rockert, buy the ebr ecm, you have à complicated situation with yourself, we have no solution for you. |
Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:19 am: |
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Fair enough, Easyrider. Thanks for the input! |
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