| Author | Message | ||
     Jredx1 |
I was just told by my dealer that they can't install the CA charcoal canister under warranty. I know quite a few of you on here have had it done no problem. Does anyone who has had it done or anyone that works at a dealership know what I can do to point them in the right direction. I am tired of my garage smelling like gas. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jared (Message edited by jredx1 on April 12, 2010) | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
Jared, call H-D customer service @ (414) 343-4056. My dealer first told me it wasn't covered, but when I rang H-D directly as suggested by another BWB member (Hogzilla), they were all too happy to cover it. They gave me an authorization number which I gave to my dealer. The dealer got paid to do the work, I paid nothing, and hats off to H-D for doing the right thing. I wasn't overly concerned with the fuel smell until my wife noticed it in my daughter's bedroom which sits right above the garage. Happy wife, happy life ... Right?! Mike | ||
| 03fatboy |
Everyone knows if the wife ain't happy, ain't no one happy. | ||
| Jredx1 |
Thanks Mike, Called customer service, the gave me a reference number, so we will see where it goes from there. Thanks again for all the help. Jared | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
With that reference number, a dealership would be crazy not to do it. They get paid via H-D and produce a happy customer. What's not to like?! Mike | ||
| Dcmortalcoil |
Canister costs $31.88 & California only bent tube costs $7.80. You don't need the california only straight tube. For $50 bucks you can do it yourself. I used the standard tube, cutting the skinny part and adding an extension, which you can get at any auto store for about a $1. | ||
| Trafford |
I got a cannister on Ebay in the US had it shipped to me in Holland Europe and fitted in about 20 minutes. I was not happy to feed the fumes into the front injector only by using the existing commector. Plus its a pain to connect the pipe without tiny fingers or lifting the injectors, so I drilled the bottom part of the airbox above the solenoid and pushed the pipe in there (tight fit like the large fuel vent already in the airbox. This sits near both intakes so both cylinders get the fumes. It is working perfectly and I would recommend this as a very quick method. (Message edited by Trafford on April 13, 2010) | ||
| Cobradave93 |
Trafford, has that left any raw fuel in the airbox at all? Mine, when hooked up at the throttle body, caused hot start-ups to be very hard, has yours been that way when hooked to the airbox? | ||
| Trafford |
No issues at all, I have run a 600 miles since the change and its fine. I did it because of reports like yours and as an ex-racer/mechanic I reasoned that spreading the fumes within the airbox (under the filter) would be way better than under the butterfly of just one injector. Total logic I would say!! | ||
| Trafford |
Cold starts and hot starts one short press on the starter button and its fired up. | ||
| Trafford |
One more thing.......Aprilia Carbon cannisters will work too. | ||
| Trafford |
Finally....make sure you insulate the frame as this has a huge effect on the bubbling/vapors | ||
| Joshinga |
I tried running it directly from the vent to the air-box once and once the motor got hot it would overload the air-box with gas fumes. I wonder if running it threw a charcoal can would scrub the fumes enough not to load the box up. | ||
| Trafford |
You cannot run it direct to the airbox!! The carbon can is more than it seems. The charcoal or Carbon granules strip off the hydrocarbons from the fuel vapor and the remainder goes to the airbox. The important thing is that at one end of the carbon can there is a larger diameter vent so that fresh air is drawn in and cleans the carbon as this happens the stripped vapor mixed with air finally will arrive to the airbox with little volatility left. Its not just a catch can......its a chemical cleaner mixing with fresh air. | ||
| Cobradave93 |
Thanks, I may have to try that. Got any pics? | ||
| Trafford |
Here it is  | ||
| Cobradave93 |
One more ? Does this build pressure in the tank when it is hot? Mine did this and someone told me that there was a valve in the canister that required vacuum to open it and pull fumes through. Does anyone know if this is true. | ||
| Trafford |
Not true for this can...... but there is a valve system on many cars | ||
| Trafford |
Do you think there is no vacuum in the air box when the engine is running?? | ||
| Cobradave93 |
Not as much as when it's directly in the throttle body. | ||
| Trafford |
its more than enough with 2 cylinders breathing. Mine works just fine......its on and functioning. I've been tuning bikes for 42 years. I'm just sharing my experience for those that want it. Have fun riding. | ||
| Ratgin |
My bike is about to be renamed Puddles. Called Harley US, they were willing to give me the Auth# immediately until i advised was Canadian. They advised call this number (HD Canada Customer Service).. i did and got voice mail.  I left my info and never got a return call. Called my dealer and they advised that there is a rerouting kit. Thats first step and only if your bike hasnt been updated ( mine likely has been) then they consider installing the Can. Will let you know what happens as shes in shop next week for service. I really like this dealers service guys so i dont expect any issues. (Message edited by ratgin on April 15, 2010) | ||
| Cobradave93 |
Thanks Trafford, I think I may try that setup on my CR. I just wanted to ask questions about problems I had with my canister on my R before I did this on the CR. | ||
| Kicka666 |
If you dont fill them to the brim they will not vent excess fuel, I live in Aus & it gets f'n hot in summer 40+deg celius. If I dont fill mine to the top she dont vent. | ||
| Trafford |
Kicka666 Exactly........learning to live with an 1125R is half the fun. Filling up and leave room in the tank or riding off straight away is good practice. Stopping a hot bike with a low tank is asking for bubbling and high vapors. Insulating the frame helps some. Adding the Carbon-can gets rid of smell and puddles. Its just the way it is.........how about a 1125R engine in a tube frame?? Not for me thank you! | ||
| Avc8130 |
It is so weird. Everyone claims insulating the tank "helps". My 2008 has NEVER dripped on the ground or stunk up the garage. My 2009 WITH THE FRAME INSULATION is horrible! It stinks up the garage and leaves a few ounces any time I stop. ac | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
Kicka, that's not correct - At least not on my bike. No matter the outside temp or conditions, how full the tank was or even running 100 miles out of it before coming home, my '09R would still drip. I could start my bike and let it run 5 minutes, and it would leave a visible puddle. Learning to live with an 1125 (which I absolutlely love by the way) isn't going to be the same for everyone. I kind of like quirks, it's just me. But if H-D is going to fix the problem for me at $0, I'm game. Fuel smell in my daughter's room, not acceptable. Wife's happy, I'm happy! Mike | ||
| Avc8130 |
I just got my reference number. I will be calling my dealer this afternoon. I am hoping they are willing to order parts and then schedule appointments to do this along with the stator harness. ac | ||
| Cobradave93 |
Both of mine(08 R and 09 CR) leave a puddle. Doesn't matter full or empty tank, which I never fill right to the neck. I do notice the gurgling fuel on the 08 more than the 09, so the insulation must help a little. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Just got a call from the dealer. They called technical support. They will be installing a CA carbon can for my 09 CR. They will be calling tech support back on Monday to get authorization for my 08 R also. ac | ||
| Sekalilgai |
well since my CR has been at the dealer for three weeks, I figured a call to customer service wouldn't hurt....after all I wasn't riding the bike (but then again it wouldn't leak a puddle if it was just sittin....)...the dealer is a 110 miles away, time to take a ride on the Uly to visit my hangar queen....  | ||
| Mickeyq |
I was told that the only thing to do is not fill your tank to the top! I still got fuel vapors in my garage when I got home. | ||
| Desert_bird |
I am tired of dripping raw gas everywhere I go so I will be installing a carbon canister to my R. Reviving this thread because I wondered if anyone else has tried Trafford's approach, and whether they had any problems with it. Venting from the charcoal canister the airbox seems much easier than getting to the throttle body. It also makes sense to vent to both throttle bodies rather than just one. One wonders why this wasn't the design from the factory. I would imagine that when the motor is shut down some fumes will make it past the air filter and waft out of the intake where gas smell will still be detectable (as well as EPA non-compliant). Routing directly to the throttle body would eliminate this altogether. Thanks in advance. DB |
