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     Captain_america |
Had my bike in for a warranty rear tire replacement (got a screw in it) and when I got it back last night I noticed it looked different... Guess its a regular Diablo... Not a Corsa III. My question is, whats the difference in handling and wear and all? Have any of you run these? Thanks guys!    | ||
| Jdugger |
It's a decent tire. Originally marketed as a "road tire for sportbikes", not unlike the place the Diablo Rosso occupies today. The Corsa III is a sportier (and more expensive) tire, in my opinion, but the Diablo is a fine street choice. I mix a Diablo rear with Corsa III front for street rides in the high mountains with good results. I find the Diablo rear to last a bit longer than the Corsa III rear, though it's grip is not as good. | ||
| Froggy |
The Diablo was the OEM Firebolt tire before the Corsa III came out. It is an excellent tire, but the Corsa 3 is better. Hell its a free tire and its not a Dunlop, I wouldn't complain  | ||
| Drawkward |
That tire isn't going to be anywhere near the grip you had with the CorsaIII. I'd take it back and complain. That's bullshit. | ||
| Captain_america |
Thanks Jdugger, So basically the dealer cheaped out on me. If it works well I really don't care... I ride to the edge of the tire as one with this kind of bike should. It does seem like a harder compound than the Corsa III. You have any pressure recommendations for this one? | ||
| Jdugger |
> You have any pressure recommendations for this one? I'm a 165lb + gear rider. On the street, I like 32 front, 34 rear, COLD. That's 2psi lower than Buell recommends. My suspension is firmer than would be comfortable on a highway or commute ride. On the track, the Diablo isn't a great choice, but you can leave darkies like some kind of God! Go for 32 in the front, and 30-32 in the rear, but as HOT off track pressures, not cold. Start at 28 rear and 29-30 front and see where that gets you. Watch that regular diablo front... it's a bit of a harder compound and will give under hard trail braking. It's not my favorite front tire, but good enough for anything short of a track day. | ||
| Captain_america |
Ok cool. I weight 160 + gear. There is a Corsa III up front, they just put the regular Diablo out back. If I eat it and crash sometime this weekend, I'm blaming it on that rear tire.... haha | ||
| Kidder |
I'd still call your dealer and let them know. Get it documented. | ||
| Lovedabueller |
jdugger couldnt have said it better...."Watch that regular diablo front... it's a bit of a harder compound and will give under hard trail braking. It's not my favorite front tire, but good enough for anything short of a track day." i was running that at TWS when i crashed mine...and i had 30lbs HOT in the tire...i will never use one again...bad MOJO.... | ||
| Brumbear |
I had a problem with my tires going blue on the edges  I emailed perelli and they emailed me back told me to run 38 in the front and 40 in the rear and you know what it friggen worked. I couldn't believe it but its true. | ||
| Jdugger |
Brum, How much do you weigh and where did you ride? The blueing is the tire getting warm enough some of the compound is leaching out. It's not unusual on the track, honestly, and I usually look at the wear pattern more than color. But, a street tire should never be getting that warm. By increasing the pressure, you decrease the flex in the carcass and contact patch, and the tire does not build as much heat. | ||
| Froggy |
 I'll let you be the judge! | ||
| 2thepoint |
My stock tires are turning blue on the edge just like the picture. They didn't do it last year but now its only 40 to 50 degrees outside temp. I have 32 psi front and back. Maybe I need more air in the tires also? | ||
| D_adams |
I've seen the same blue color this past winter when it sat for 2 months. It was gone after the first ride back in late January. | ||
| Kidder |
Quick question to OP, why would a screw in the tire be a warranty item? That's a road hazard which wouldn't be covered. Just curious. | ||
| Ininew |
My wheel and tire warrant only covers road hazard I believe. Does not cover wear and tear. | ||
| Captain_america |
My warranty covers anything that happens to the tire that I don't inflict on purpose. The HD dude that sold me the warranty said: If you "happen" to get a nail in your tire and your near an HD dealership you get a brand new one for free. Result: I haven't paid for a tire yet. This will be my third rear and second front tire for FREE! Last time I went in HD dude said: awe man, you don't gotta put a nail in it, just stop by and we will take care of it for you Hmmmm... the warranty cost like $1000 and so far I have 900+ in tire changing bills I haven't paid for. I've had the bike for 3.5 months and its nearly paid for itself! | ||
| Drawkward |
You've had three rear tires and 2 fronts in 3.5 months? What the •••• are you doing to them? Just putting nails in them every month???? | ||
| Captain_america |
That was including the stockers... I commute 130 miles 5 days a week on her. I have 6888miles on her now. Rear tire lasts between 3-4k and front lasted 5.3k | ||
| Jason13 |
IMHO, a new pirelli under warranty for commuter duty is nothing to complain about. i wouldn't say that the dealer 'cheaped out' on you. at the rate your going; give it a month, and you'll be ready for a new one. just be sure to ask for a corsa by name when the time comes i also got the tire warranty, and am not overly concerned about picking up a nail. if i did (and when i have) i'll plug it and get it replaced at my convenience. when that convenience is depends on the out of pocket cost for the new tire. that's how i roll | ||
| Avalaugh |
I have just fitted a set of the diablo's to mine, wear so far is great but the front is not as good as a corsa III on turn in and feedback/grip but all in all perfectly capable. When it wears out ill go Corsa III on front and Diablo rear. | ||
| Drawkward |
Jason: I would say that too if I didn't know anything about tires. The Diablo and the CorsaIII are two completely different tires. There is no arguing that. Captain's dealer "cheaped out" on him. No doubt about it. Captain: Damn man!! That's a hell of a commute! I'd kill myself if I had to do that here in Houston. Avalaugh: Contact patches man. The front isn't as important as the rear in a turn. Go with CorsaIII's on both if you can...or even better the new Rosso Corsas. Or just the Rossos if you won't be doing any track riding. | ||
| Kidder |
@Drawkward The front isn't as important as rear in the turn? Can you please explain what you're trying to say? | ||
| Drawkward |
In a proper turn, the front end cornering load is supposed to be at 30 to 40%. Once leaned over, he front tire doesn't steer the bike and its contact patch is MUCH smaller than the rears's. For the initial turn in of course you want the bite from a good front tire... All I'm saying is that IN a turn, the front tire isn't AS important as the rear. Not saying it ISN'T important. Take it up with Keith Code if you think that's wrong. I just paraphrased his book.  | ||
| Kidder |
Gotcha. I wanted to make sure you weren't saying getting ready for the turn where you're on the front. I actually took one of Keith Code's classes a few years ago. He was all about throttle control. That lesson alone made me a MUCH better rider. My personal preference is to run a softer tire up front with a harder tire in the rear. On my GSXR1000 I ran a Pilot Power up front with a Pilot Road out back. The main reason is to get more mileage out of the rear. | ||
| Drawkward |
Well ya, if you're looking for mileage then that's the way to go for sure. I run the 1125 on the track every month so I need that performance. It's really cool you did the class with Code. His "Twist of the Wrist II" is a fantastic book that will make anyone a better rider if they practice what he preaches...like throttle control. Especially on these bikes where the throttle can be a little bit jerky when turning on...throttle control is key. | ||
| Kidder |
I hear ya. If I were going to the track that often, I'd do the same. I read some of Twist II but never finished it. I need to do that. I took that class at Texas World Speedway in College Station. I was joining an endurance team (CMRA) and I wanted to take the class. It was money well spent. We were on Kawi ZX6Rs, BTW. I would've loved to have been on the new BMW. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Drawkward, I call bullshit on "the front tire not being as important as the rear". That is quite simply not true. The front tire does the majority of braking and turning. The rear tire does matter, but for the most part, it's just along for the ride. Just try trail braking deep into a corner with a sticky back tire and a slippery front, and after you've picked yourself up out of the weeds from washing out the front, come back and tell me just how much the front tire doesn't matter. Captain America, I've used the regular Diablo on multiple street bikes, not the least of which was an '03 GSX-R1000, and have consistently ridden the chicken strips off of the rear. Unless you do something really aggressive like dialing in way too much throttle while leaned way over, you'll never notice any traction deficiency with the regular Diablo compared to the Corsa III. Now did the dealership cheap out by mounting a regular Diablo instead of a Corsa III? Sure. But, it sounds like this dealership has been taking really good care of you, having replaced so many tires in such a short time. If you want to keep riding that gravy train, I wouldn't complain. If you decide to throw a fit, the dealer may decide to take issue with your repeated road hazard claims and deny the warranty by claiming that you purposely damaged the tires. (Message edited by TheFleshRocket on April 10, 2010) | ||
| Brumbear |
Jdugger As Froggy with a great smile on his face I am sure.Has shown you I can not hide behind a pencil I do create some friction but I have been known to ball up a tire in the NY state backroads. The blueing will come off the next easy ride but I was having MAJOR issues and they seemed to be pressure related we will see I have em on the CR now so I will keep en eye on em. | ||
| Captain_america |
They have been taking really good care of me. I have no complaints what's so ever. Hell I think I may like this tire better than the Corsa III. I like it a little harder. Its fun to power out of corners with it. I can get the back end to break loose and drift. | ||
| Jdugger |
Heavier riders can safely (and should) use higher pressures. Now this: > In a proper turn, the front end cornering load is supposed to be at 30 to 40%. That's just bunk. At least on the track. I agree on the street, were the general technique is to brake straight up, then tip in and start rolling on the gas. That's what code teaches. But, on the track, that will only get you stuffed and passed. A LOT. One much go into turns deeply on the brakes while leaned over, shedding speed to the apex where the final turn is completed and roll on begins. Ya just can't do that on an unloaded front tire. | ||
| Drawkward |
Agree to disagree. That's all I have to say. You guys can nose dive all you want.
Ya Flesh, sounds like that Diablo is just the same as the CorsaIII, doesn't it. | ||
| Gemini |
diablo sport is a nice tire. been running it on my xb9 for years. the cosra III is a great tire. dual comand and nice and sticky. the corsa III is discontinued and repaced by the corsa rosa from what i was told by cycle gear rep. i too have the tire hazard warranty and just had a rear tire replaced. i would visit with your store and have them make an extra note in the system or have it replaced with a corsa III if they can find one(there are a few) or a corsa rosa. the note in the system would be for if you have another "nail", they can replace that tire with original because it was the dealership who replaced it. i was told by my finance manager that the contract would replace the tire of the same value as what is on the bike upto the value of the orginal tire. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Ya Flesh, sounds like that Diablo is just the same as the CorsaIII, doesn't it. Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. |
