| Author | Message | ||
     Nattyx1 |
 I put that in the subject line just because it's true, not because it's particularly relevant. I've been researching whether it's possible to challenge these laser tix? This one came courtesy of a bmw-mounted moto-cop, stationary, with handheld lidar gun aimed at front headlight at several hundred feet -- I haven't measured it yet. Anyone here with any specific advice on how to contest (if it's even possible) a citation based solely on what this device displayed to the officer would be appreciated. Unlike Radar guns - "calibration" doesn't seem to be an issue... or is it? Oh and I also found this website. It seems full of generally good, easy-access info on how to handle the always very crappy "License and registration please" situation. http://www.blurofinsanity.com/Speeding.html | ||
| Mm128 |
If the officer is certified to use laser/radar and the equipment was functioning properly..... YOUR SCREWED! They are EXTREMELY accurate and replacing radar rapidly. They can single out vehicles as its a handheld aiming device in MOST cases and is SOOO quick that a laser/radar detector will NOT even pick it up until your speed has already been locked in, in most cases. All depends on the trigger finger of the officer really... Sorry...... I know it sucks... I have had my fair share.... Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.) | ||
| Nattyx1 |
argh. That's what it looks like... Damn technology!! It's great when we use our smarts to splat bad guys in peshawar... but when it's aimed at spoiling MY FUN?!?! Well, that SUCKS.  | ||
| Jdugger |
In many states, laser jammers are legal and work relatively well. In the states that aren't, you can often install a parking assistant and act dumb. It's all based on range finder technology, the kind used in cameras, laser measuring tapes, etc. While you are at it... paint your bike flat black, wear black leathers, and put the silk screen on the front of your headlights. All help to reduce the laser's ability to get a read on you. Cops are trained to shoot the laser at the license plate, the headlights and the helmet. Those are the biggies that provide the necessary reflection. As also has been widely documented, in many states you can just call up the judge and ask to pay a fine plus a "probation" cost. The citation won't go on your record. Mostly, they are just revenue generation. | ||
| Ron_luning |
Try this site: http://www.ticketassassin.com/ It's for CA which should work for you unless you got the ticket in another state. However, DO NOT pay the fee. I did, and had to dispute it through Paypal because no matter how many emails I sent I received no replies. Part of the fee service is supposed to be for reviewing your case. Forget that because no one is on the other end. Just use the examples to try and get out using a Trial by Written Declaration. If that fails you can go to court and hope the cop doesn't show up. If he does, then you're 99% likely to be found guilty. Good luck. | ||
| Illbuell |
Or depending on the situation gas it!!!LOL | ||
| Mm128 |
I am WITH Illbuell.... Just pull back and hold on...... BUT..it would be my luck the BMW Motorcop is a Badweb member that frequents Deals Gap....  Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.) | ||
| Geforce |
I'll throw in my 2 cents... Check with the local and state laws and see at what distances they are allowed to reference your speed. A long time ago I proved that the distance at which my speed was referenced was over the legal limit for that particular method of referencing speed... (Ka Band from a stationary point) was 1/4 mile maximum... he took mine further than that and the ticket was dropped. Something to think about... you might also be able to argue that because you had a class III laser aimed at your retinas that you couldn't SEE your speedo and that you are going to sue the state for some sort of endangerment suit.... good luck with that one. Lidar is very good and it is damn hard to prove it otherwise.  | ||
| Ratgin |
Your pretty much done if they have lidar in your area. Warning devices are useless. Jammers are not reliable and likely to get you into a situation more serious then a ticket. | ||
| Jules |
I have a jammer on the car (Jaguar) and it's very effective.. They're not legal here either but mine is for a garage door opener (honestly officer) In the UK there's some contention over the use of lasers on speeding bikes as they're not "type approved" there have been several cases where experts have proven that moving the gun by just a few mm can hugely impact the displayed speed. Personally - I never stop for them unless I know they've already noted my plate... I've outrun quite a few in my time (it's not big and it's not clever) | ||
| Jdugger |
> Jammers are not reliable and likely to get you into a situation more serious then a ticket. How? Laser jammers are legal in most states in the US. > I've outrun quite a few in my time That's a felony in Texas now if you *do* get caught. I always pull over ASAP if lit up as a result -- no $400 ticket is worth losing the ability to have a job, and the right to carry a legal handgun or vote. It's a very serious charge, and officers tend to fling it around on sportbike riders. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
If you run, you BETTER get away. That's all I have to say about the subject. Also, if you pull over after running, you best do it in a public place. About 6 weeks ago, I did "get away" up in the hills--but I had a plausible excuse of not knowing he turned around while flipping on the lights. It was in the twisties with no line of sight. He really didn't have much of a chance. I have to say it was pretty thrilling. | ||
| Daggar |
Not to mention, if you do run, and someone dies, gets hurt, or whatever, as a result of the pursuit, you will be held liable. At least in Cali. I'll take the ticket. | ||
| Helicon |
Just so you know ..... The laser jammers are a marketing scam. The jammers are usually packaged as stating they will both jam radar and lidar. What they don't tell you is that the LTI 20-20 and newer lasers not only will still clock someone using a jammer, but it will also set off a warning notifying the officer that the vehicle they just clocked was using a jammer. In some states (such as Colorado), and on all military bases, jammers are illegal and could get you into even more trouble than its worth. Lidar detectors are a complete waste of money. Once again, when they market this crap they don't tell you that if your lidar detector goes off ..... you've already been clocked. Half the time the Laser detector will not go off, because the laser beam did not actually hit the detector. As far as fighting the Lidar ticket ... well, if you end up going all the way to court and the officer shows up, you're probably going to lose and then you're stuck with court costs, fees, plus all original fines etc. But on the first court appearance, the DA might offer some time of plea agreement to a lesser offense with less points. Or perhaps California offers some time of mail-in plea agreement??? Either way, good luck. | ||
| Jules |
If the police do their risk assessment and think it's worth the risk of a chase to give you a ticket and something happens then some of the blame falls on their shoulders too (in the UK) Here it's not unusual for police cars NOT to chase bikes if they feel it's dangerous (even to the rider) which I know is different to the states. I'd only run if I thought I'd get away... and TBH at the speeds I ride it's not a ticket it's a ban, loss of licence and loss of job that I'd be looking at... An YES I do know I could ride slower.. I choose not to and I'll pay the price for that choice if it ever comes to that. I do choose very carefully where to ride fast, I don't do it where it's likely to endanger anyone else and if the cops played fair then so would I.. | ||
| Jdugger |
> The laser jammers are a marketing scam Ugg. That's just not true. There are functioning, legitimate laser jammers that do work, and DO buy you time. The lasers used in ALL distance measuring devices are infrared of about the same wavelength, and if you generate enough junk in that band you will effectively diffuse it. Radar is VERY MUCH illegal to jam, being spectrum licensed by the FCC. And, it's unlikely any radar jammer actually works. In many, if not most states, laser jammers are LEGAL. | ||
| Helicon |
http://www.lasertech.com/Speed-Enforcement-Measure ment.aspx 3rd paragraph down ..."Due to the laser's signal being instantaneous, radar and lidar detectors are useless. Even if a lidar detector alarms the driver, it is already too late. All our lasers can make a measurement within 0.3 seconds, so by the time your detector recognizes our laser's signal, the officer will already have a speed-reading on you. What about laser jammers? LTI lasers will still capture a measurement and even indicate that a jammer was used." I don't make this stuff up.  I have seen this in person.... On the other hand, if someone wants to spend money on a lidar jammer, than more power to em'. | ||
| Reepicheep |
*shrug*. If I get caught I take my ticket. I put running from cops in the same category of people that "take a racing line" that crosses the yellow. You can do it, but it only proves you are an idiot. (IMHO. And for the record, I prove myself an idiot on a regular basis, not just this way. ) | ||
| Jdugger |
Lidar jamming will depend on a lot of factors. However, I'm not surprised the web site for a product being sold to law enforcement officers WHO DO NOT understand even the basics of electromagnetic theory would have such statements. Lidar works by measuring the distance away a vehicle is, then waiting a predetermined period of time and the measuring again to calculate speed. If you can get the first pulse, then generate pulses back of the same wavelength at random intervals, you can make it very difficult for the gun to get an accurate reading. (Not impossible, for sure, but more difficult.) There's been lots of independent tests of these things, and in particular, the Guys of Lidar tested your lauded LTI device and found it relatively easy to jam and NEVER got a jam code from the gun: http://www.guysoflidar.com/lti-ultralyte.html In all cases, more than one jammer was able to jam ALL LTI devices all the way to the gun. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
I got pulled over and the officer told me "I got you on liedar" I said that's funny my wife has a liedar too. She can see me lying a mile away... | ||
| Tbowdre |
Im working on a LIDAR trial by written declaration right now. I essentially read everything i could from multiple cali based web sites and now I am trying to put it all together. It is worth a try though and really your best chanceis if the officer does not respond. as ron suggested if the trial by written declaration dosent work you can always try the regular courts! essentially you lose nothing by trying | ||
| Tbowdre |
help i got a ticket dot com has a lot of info.... again as ron suggested no $ needed | ||
| Duphuckincati |
Get a Blast...no more speeding possible. | ||
| Cms1172 |
I just have to say that I love prepaid legal, got a ticket last summer, got three points, had no way to fight it, the deputies under state law are considered experts, (the bastard never even got the radar on me, he tagged someone else, and estimated my speed), then, got another ticket this last winter, because it was just a questionable action, used my prepaid legal attorney to fight it for me, got off with them dropping the ticket and taking that defensive driving course, taking my points back to ZERO. | ||
| Froggy |
Tell that to the 1125R's that couldn't get away from me last weekend (Although trying to go up steep hills above 80mph isn't fun) | ||
| Illbuell |
This is a man that once said he never speeds.. LMAO | ||
| Doctorneon |
can't outrun motorola | ||
| Keys |
There is another option besides detectors and jammers. Look up this address http://www.trapster.com/ It's an app you download to your smartphone. When someone sees a cop (or any other problem) it alerts everyone else driving to that spot that has the trapster network running. Every driver that sees that cop again votes if he is still there or has moved on and that alert is canceled. It's like the next level of flashing your headlights. or social networking for speeders. On another note Jules, what's your opinion of the Gatsos in the UK? What do burning Gatsos smell like? | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
neon's got it. and really? it's a speeding ticket. i have had over 20 and deserved every single one of them. now of course i didn't ever plead guilty but really? getting out of a ticket that you know you deserved? speed limit discussion is another topic. the posted limit is the concern not what whomever thinks it should be. run? are you nuts? that has got to be one of the dumbest things i have ever seen here on this board. | ||
| Jules |
Jules, what's your opinion of the Gatsos in the UK? What do burning Gatsos smell like? They smell wonderful... It's better if you fill them with expanding foam first though.. Most of them are facing oncoming traffic so not really much of a problem for bikes. In the UK there are much fewer Police on the streets than in the US (I mean for any given geographical area rather than as a whole) so "running" from them is normally a really simple and straightforward thing - it's not like the epic chases you see on TV and not at all the same as I would imagine it is in the US. Here I'm "lucky" if I see a police car twice a month, where I live (semi-rural) if I decide not to stop I'd be long gone before any backup had even had a chance to consider joining in. It's more a "spirited walk" than a run, certainly not a full blown high speed persuit. It's really not the big deal some of you seem to think it is, I'm not suggesting you have to carve through traffic at 100+ with cop cars on your tail, I'm just suggesting that if I spot one and have an option not to stop then I don't, it's no big deal. Dangerous driving/riding is a big no-no anywhere but opening up a safe distance and turning off the main road is normally enough - those guys tend to think in straight lines... Running from a police motorbike? I may have done that in the past (when I was younger and dumber) but not lately... |
