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Westmoorenerd
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 10:30 pm: | 
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So after the dealer being closed on Sunday and Monday, the General Manager personally came to pick up my bike. When he looked at it he said it was probably due to the oil pump seizing up. Since it's already late in the states, he's going to write the Co. an email tonight and said he'd get back with me in a day or two. |
Westmoorenerd
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 10:32 pm: |
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Illbuell...build date I believe is Jan 09. |
Sknight
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 - 11:26 pm: |
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Well that sure sounds like it's on the right track. |
Bobbuell1961
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 07:01 am: |
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I would doubt it's an oil pump issue,the pump would in time cause the motor to lock up not a catastrophic failure.
Something broke and we will likely never know, HD will send a complete unit and unless the dealer wishes to disassemble and reassemble it on it's own dime it's not going to happen. |
Moosestang
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 11:59 am: |
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If the piston seizes at 10,000rpms, then it would be catastrophic to the rod. |
Lastonetherebuys
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:03 pm: |
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just cause it sizes up does not mean that all of the parts come to an instant stop especially turning that fast |
Moosestang
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:13 pm: |
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Makes me want to check that screen for the oil pump. |
1324
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:22 pm: |
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I would also consider a seized engine to be catastrophic failure. This is further cemented by the fact it happened at nearly the top of the engine's rev range.
How was your oil level? Sounds like you were ripping it pretty good leaving base and I'm left wondering if oil starvation was an issue? Not flaming, just curious. We've already discussed ad nauseam how the oil check procedure impacts readings and how some dealers didn't properly prep the bike before the sale. Me wonders... |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 01:17 pm: |
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Cold motor? |
Westmoorenerd
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 03:22 pm: |
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No the motor was warm, it's about a 5 minute ride from my house to the front gate, plus time it was sitting while I was gearing up. Oil level was fine or atleast it was the last time I checked... Hey maybe I'll get a 2010 engine out of it with a sight gauge =P |
Doerman
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 03:28 pm: |
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It is a very odd failure. Looking closer at the pictures, I could be tempted to chalk this one up to casting mishap.
That does not explain why the engine won't start though.
I am sure you will be well taken care of by warranty. |
Syonyk
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 05:42 pm: |
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For the casting to fail like that, and the engine not to start afterwards, especially with a high RPM failure like he experienced, I'd place good money on the innards having mostly turned into small chunks of metal rattling around. Something let go with a ton of energy, and slammed into the case from inside - hard. |
Sknight
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 09:02 pm: |
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May as well throw my $.02 in.
I'd suspect that the crankshaft broke and drove the snout out breaking the cover. The broke snout is cocked which has the primary drive jammed causing it not to start. |
Bobbuell1961
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 09:11 pm: |
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Sknight, I would concur |
Gemini
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 12:34 pm: |
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my thought would be something, possibly the water pump gear broke/sheered a tooth, and dropped in between the crank and balance shaft. the gears then were pushed apart beyond what the case was able to withstand and broke. just a thought |
Hairy_cannonball
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 04:11 am: |
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No no no, you guys are just guessing. What really happened is the panametric fan came loose from the ambifacient luner wainshaft and impacted the hydrokoptic marzle vanes. The differential girdle spring then broke causing an increase in the renchant flux muster which broke the case. I know, I've seen it at least a million times, mostly on turbo encabulators. |
Gemini
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 06:24 am: |
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what about the filafriptic spring?
(Message edited by gemini on March 04, 2010) |
Xb1200rick
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 08:11 pm: |
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And I thought I was the only person that had trouble with the ambifacient luner wainshaft
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Hildreth
| | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2010 - 10:26 am: |
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did the dealer check to see if it spun the exhaust bearing???
on a serious note, ive heard a rumor about those things eating the cam chain tensioner, thus causing obvious problems... just another possibility to consider... good luck, and im curious about the 2010 motor... if u get one, mine just might have an issue as well! (over and above the big mystery one they are already trying to solve.) |
Hildreth
| | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2010 - 10:38 am: |
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edit:
just read the archived posts... looks like someone already mentioned the cam chain tensioner... sorry, and best of luck to you |
Westmoorenerd
| | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2010 - 05:27 pm: |
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The dealer is still awaiting response from HD if it's covered under warranty. The GM told me he doesn't see why not, but he needs official confirmation. |
Moosestang
| | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2010 - 05:48 pm: |
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How do they know if it's covered, if they haven't determined the problem? |
Sknight
| | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2010 - 07:16 pm: |
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Common practice is for a unit to be sent back whole. It's pretty obvious that something went really wrong in there, no real tear down necessary to assume the engine is beyond feasible repair.
I wasn't allowed to open an Allison transmission for three years. Certain gaskets, seals, solenoids was all I could replace. Any other repair was a full unit replacement. |
Moosestang
| | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2010 - 07:19 pm: |
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that makes sense. So we may never know. I still think it was a weak rod. Do these motors have forged rods?
(Message edited by moosestang on March 05, 2010) |
Sknight
| | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2010 - 11:20 pm: |
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I'll look in my manual tomorrow, most (Read, most.) modern rods are a powdered metal design. Powered metal is heated to near melting then forged into shape. It eliminates weak spots that even conventional forged rods can have. Remember, forged rods are rough cast then forged into it's final shape. Cranks are forged the same way. |
Westmoorenerd
| | Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 03:12 am: |
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I actually want one of the rods/pistons out of the motor, but I doubt that's going to happen |
Westmoorenerd
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 03:38 pm: |
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So... it's been over a week and the dealer said he's still waiting for word from HD about if it's covered under warranty.... |
Sir_wadsalot
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 08:03 am: |
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Westmoorenerd- I hope HD stands behind the warranty. If they don't, try other dealers, try calling HD corporate, there have been other threads with people jumping through hoops to get serious failures sorted out.
On the 1190 engine question-
The 1190 is like 13.6 something compression and runs on pump gas. If you can't use a 180hp motor, you don't need a 140hp engine either. Go buy an NC700X or a Sportster. Why, indeed? Go flog thyself!
I hear BMW is making a sporty scooter now... |
