| Author | Message | ||
     Jeepinbueller |
Ottobotz: It's a well-known "feature" of the 1125's, though this "feature" pops its head out a bit less when you have the latest flash for your year and model. It's the fuel vent line (every gasoline-powered motor has one) and it likes to dribble b/c the heat of the Helicon makes its way through the aluminum frame/tank, which in turn heats the fuel. Fuel expands/pressurizes and either rises to the level of the vent line or evaporates and condensates inside the vent line and makes its way to the environment. It's nothing to worry about and is completely normal. Just have a clean bucket under there when you park and you can filter and recycle the gas in your lawn mower or something when you have enough saved up.  | ||
| Dentguy |
It's nothing to worry about and is completely normal.  | ||
| Syonyk |
The gas eventually evaporates off my garage floor, so recycling it doesn't really work... I honestly had no idea that this was an issue on a 2008 model year bike. The EPA's been heavy on fuel evaporation in cars for so many years now that it didn't even occur to me that I might have problems with raw fuel leaking overboard. A slightly pressurized fuel system that could spray a bit when you pulled the gas cap off, sure. Pissing fuel overboard? Not so much. | ||
| Froggy |
Rectified? There is nothing wrong. Every gasoline non-car vehicle does this. Hell older cars without pollution controls do it too. One day the EPA will clamp down on it and force carbon cannisters and other systems to eliminate it. Every single bike I have ever owned has done it including dirt bikes and non-Buell sportbikes. If fuel is "puking" out, you overfilled your tank and didn't compensate enough for the thermal expansion.
Its going to be possible on 2012 bikes too! | ||
| Syonyk |
Do you know how other bikes handle evaporative emissions? Genuinely curious, as I've not looked into it on a variety of modern bikes. "Allowed" is one thing, but if pretty much everyone else in the industry is using charcoal canisters even if they're not required to, that sort of sets a standard. What bothers me is that the problem is almost completely solved on the CA bikes, and a charcoal canister is cheap enough, the space was there to mount it... it should have just been put on all of them. Of course, dumping fuel onto a hot muffler also prevents visible puddles, but that's it's own can of worms. | ||
| Froggy |
Yes some bikes come with the charcoal can, but many don't. I am sure there is a logical reason the 49 state 1125's don't have it, but honestly I don't know what it is, whether its mechanical or cost related. Fuel should not drip onto your muffler, there was a recall that reroutes the fuel line away. | ||
| Syonyk |
Yes, there was a recall. However, at some point, someone made the decision (or failed to notice a set of decisions) that dumped fuel onto the muffler. This, from a bike that runs the fuel VERY hot compared to other bikes. I stand by my view that this original design should never have left the factory, and I still feel that the rerouted setup is a very sub-optimal solution to a problem that is worse on this bike than most others (because the frame gets heat soaked from the engine and exhaust system). | ||
| No_rice |
If fuel is "puking" out, you overfilled your tank and didn't compensate enough for the thermal expansion. actually mine will leave a puddle and run out even when the low fuel light is on. oh well, i just ride it. my only problem with it is after the reroute i have to have my passenger pegs on... id rather it was back on the muffler. but i guess i do use that peg for stand up wheelies anyway... | ||
| Keef |
guys everyone is eager to change exhausts and swap stuff on their bikes that aren't really needed but as each of us wanting to personalize or tweek for power or sound no one wants to add what is not visible or doesn't give more bling or power. All that needs to be done is spend about 65.00 for the canister and two hoses and make it a sealed system like it is in california,I did and now no vent line on passenger,peg no gas on muffler and no more gas smell.  | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Yes, there was a recall. No, there wasn't a recall...it was a product program. Different from a recall. It's voluntary by BMC and no written notice is required. There have only been 2-3 official recalls as far as I can remember. The rest have been product programs. | ||
| Jules |
I've had a fair few bikes with vent hoses that just ran down the engine to the floor and it's never bothered me My last bike (TL1000S) always smelled of fuel after filling up, I think i'll just check and see if the frame's insulated on the inside (as mentioned previously) and see how it goes.. | ||
| Therealassmikeg |
Funny stuff.... go search some other forums bmw etc... They're talking about how to remove the carbon canisters.. If you really have that much of a problem with it, the phone number, address, and website for NHTSA is in your owners manual. Here, I'll save you the trouble... 1-888-DASH-2_DOT http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ U.S. Department of transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Office of Defects Investigation, NVS-210, 400 7th Street S.W., Washington, D.C. 20590 | ||
| Therealassmikeg |
@ Russ Do you have a problem w/ your self esteem? I really don't give a f*** what I look like to anyone. Did you have a rough time in school??? Give me your lunch money or I'll beat you up (then)...Give me your Buell or I'll beat you up (now). Sorry if I stirred up some bad memories... Don't go crazy and start shooting people.... | ||
| Syonyk |
@ Russ Do you have a problem w/ your self esteem? I really don't give a f*** what I look like to anyone. Did you have a rough time in school??? Give me your lunch money or I'll beat you up (then)...Give me your Buell or I'll beat you up (now). Sorry if I stirred up some bad memories... Don't go crazy and start shooting people.... ... WTF does that have to do with *anything* in this thread so far? | ||
| Therealassmikeg |
"but voices my complaints with the 1125R, and mostly with the Service Experience. I should note here that I do ride with gear. I've got an armored mesh jacket, a very bright Olympia retroreflective vest, a large modular helmet, riding gloves, and a neon orange motorcycle backpack that, among other things, has a pouch to store a helmet & straps to hold my jacket/other things. This is important. When I took the bike in for it's first service, the guy at the service counter asked as I walked in the door, "You're here with the Buell, right?" It occurred to me that there was no window facing out, and that there were plenty of other bikes milling around (I went on the Friday after Thanksgiving). Apparently, showing up in decent gear was enough to give me away as the Buell rider... I didn't see another helmet the whole day (except strapped onto the back of bikes, and that was maybe one or two). Also, wandering around a Harley dealership on a Saturday morning is interesting. They've got a grill outside - great! Free food! I put my helmet in my backpack, strapped my jacket to it, and just wore my backpack around while talking to people. From various other riders, I got several comments about it, the most amusing being "Hey, whatcha' got in that backpack? A baby?" I sort of thought the neon riding backpack with the helmet shaped bulge at the bottom & the riding jacket strapped to while at a motorcycle dealership was obvious, but it seems not to be at a Harley dealership. Also, again, very few helmets (I did see a few today, I'm fairly sure they were all on the Goldwing/BMW/Triumph riders that showed up briefly for food). Flame away. " Since it is so important to document your seemingly devistating experience at a Harly dealer, I guess I'm stereotyping You. Sorry just the way I see it... | ||
| Syonyk |
Huh. Based on some comments in this thread, to properly ride an 1125R, I should be wearing all black with no helmet, with my mirrors removed, and riding at some multiple of the speed limit so I don't need to worry about not having mirrors while treating the road as my own private track. I think I understand why insurance is so pricey for this bike now. | ||
| Skratch |
Wow. I sure didn't get that out of this thread. | ||
| Froggy |
The NHTSA recalls website agrees.
+1, I don't see what his gear has to do with anything. It is the dealers fault that the staff is intolerant of non-HD riders, and it will only bite them in the ass in the long run. As for the other customers, nothing you can do about them, if someone is a retarded arrogant douche, they will only hurt themselves with their narrow point of views. | ||
| Cheddarheads4erik |
Pfft, I'll call BS with the OP even owning the 1125R; you go from a '79 CX500 Honda to a Buell SuperTwin? BS. From the H-D dealer you go to a BMW stealership and you are complaining about the recalls not being done on a Buell, from the viewpoint of the "BMW Experience"? BS. The NHSTA and Tech Service Bulletin history of recalls on BMW Motorcycles is so lengthy, and dismissed by their Dealerships, it's sincerely ludicrous to try and compare the two Companys. The S1000R?! Here's where the BMW honey wagon lost it's ABS. Welcome to last week's WSBK testing at Portimao; Ruben and Troy finished the weekend in 13th and 16th for laptimes. The same approximate places they finished for last year's WSBK race SEASON. Troy Corser holds the WSBK record for races started in that series, in it's history. IF that machine is desirable for it's intended purpose of RACING, Troy would be the guy to crack top 3 on it. He does not crack the top 10. I'll give the OP a 6.5 for his fictional originality, and a 3.2 for effort. Wouldn't crack the top 10 on the Gong Show tryouts either, I'm afraid. However, there is some entertainment value. | ||
| Jaimec |
FYI: The YZF-R1 which won the WSBK and BSK series last year consistently gets rated at the BOTTOM of most of the street comparisons I've read. All reviews of the S1000RR so far are calling it the most incredible bike in that class ever sold. Once again, track performance has little meaning for street riders. People seem to forget that little fact. | ||
| Tbenson |
Jaimec, Great point! I too forget that from time to time! My impressions on a particular bike will certainly be different than a racers, or a person who tests bike after bike on a daily basis. My choice is based off of cost, usage, cosmetic, power, and dependability in every day conditions. Pretty generic and ignorant on my part, I know there is more to any bike than that, but that is the tools I choose to use. I do read others reviews, articles and impressions on bikes of interest too, I am sure that sways my decisions quit a bit, I will admit. I too have stereotyped the BMW Crowd as having a "I am better than you" mentality! Technically I guess one could say, I was the one with that attitude, I guess! I was wrong, BMW is certainly a bike I have and would consider as one of my future bikes. I said I would never own any HD when I was younger, but I bought one several years later, I sold it, wasn't really my thing. I probably should not say I will never own another one though, you never know with me. My HD Dealer experiences have not been as bad as mentioned by others, but I am not a fan of the whole "HD Dealer Experience" myself, with exception to speaking with Jeremy at Bumpus, over the phone, he was very patient and helpful with all of my questions. Not very familiar with BMW Dealerships, I don't remember ever visiting one in person, but I did speak to one over the phone, and I had no complaints! | ||
| Hairy_cannonball |
You know folks..the lesson to be learned from this thread is that there is no possible way one can be happy with only one motorcycle in the garage......thankfully I have a tolerant wife..... | ||
| Cheddarheads4erik |
I'd be interested to see the mags which put the new R1 at the bottom of a comparo.. I rode one and the power delivery and handling rocked. Cite those reviews please. This ever so lightly veiled fiction of a comparo. is just in time for the Cycle shows. Imagine that? Given the choice between a new R1 v. 1125R v. a S1000R I'd even take an '07 GSXR1000 before the BMW. In it's 4th year of development it will still be a turd. For the last 15 years the old farts in the BMW camps looked at the real SuperBikes and SuperSports and bitched about how NOBODY needed THAT much RwHP, because according to THEM NOBODY knew what to do with that much horsepower. Now they want to join in the fun but their machine can't compete against the others on a track, with everybody playing by the same rules, on the same grid. The new Gen. of poseur-du-jour from Bayerischen want to play on the track but forgot that a race track is not where they park in front of the cafe latte shop and troll for fake praise at the latest payment acquisition acquired, after it's recommendation in the Spring Fashion issue of GQ. Erik Buell never left the track. He stayed and studied the best and most painful way to improve his breed of machine. His passion was infectious and a beautiful company grew and so did the machines. The BMW faggots go to the track once a year to cheer on their N8. Go back to the AARP Bayerische circle jerks and learn something about your SuperBike heritage and how it died with Reg Pridmore and the R90S. The "soft sell" don't work here where people actually work for a living. Spread your BMW grifting BS elsewhere. | ||
| T_man |
Whoa there big fella! That was vicious! I'm a huge Buell fan too - but I think you'll be eating those words when that S1000R hits the streets. | ||
| Mikezx9r |
Now they want to join in the fun but their machine can't compete against the others on a track, with everybody playing by the same rules, on the same grid. Ironic coming from this message board. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
There really is no reason to bash Syonyk. He had bad experience at the HD dealer. I'd have to say MOST Buell dealerships aren't all that enthusiastic about Buells. I'm lucky, with Hals. I get NOTHING but respect from everyone in the dealership. It does help when Hals has been a big Buell racing sponsor for over a decade. They have two CCS/ASRA racers working there as Buell techs. Heck, our Buell group is asked every year to lead & trail both the HD & Buell rides when the 'fleet' comes in. They understand that our group strives to be better riders, not just a social experience. I know my experience is unfortunately uncommon. Buell's biggest asset & their biggest fault were the dealers. But my experience with BMW dealers is quite the opposite of Syonyk's. They wont give me the time of day. A test ride? LOL! year right! That's not gonna happen. It might be my appearance however. While I ALWAYS wear protective gear(I'm a ATGATT type of guy), I probably look more like I should be riding a Harley. Long hair, usually unshaven, etc... The local BMW dealer treats me EXACTLY like the HD dealer treats Syonyk. Syonyk, If the 1125R isn't "speaking" to you, and you're not satisfied with it. I'd suggest selling it and buying something you'll be happy with. But, if you're unsatisfied with the "culture" of HD riders in your area, I'd suggest steering clear of 'em. I on the other hand actually belong to the local H.O.G. chapter. Have for years. They also treat me with nothing but respect. You guys bashing Syonyk. You should be ashamed of yourselves. The guy wrote a very eloquent post with his beefs. We as a group shouldn't fault him for that. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
But then again, if you were a fancy smancy BMW dealer, would you give me the time of day?  | ||
| Cheddarheads4erik |
Ironic coming from this message board. Think about 12 steps ahead of your comment.... Erik Buell Racing exists. BMW Motorcycle Racing NA does NOT exist. The reason BMW NA Racing does NOT exist? Their motorcycles are not competetive IN THE MARKET they were designed for; RACING!! The S1000R HAS hit the streets; but only in the hands of people who can afford a $16K GSXR/CBR Replica. Vicious? No, not when you've had it with the pithy little fake "reviews" of the latest BMW latte cruiser on the interwebs. Comparing it with the jump from a '79 CX500 to an 1125R, and then going to a BMW dealership? Who in their right mind is going to swallow this as any sort of credible? It is a very well written piece, but within the context which unfolded all too quickly-it's another "BMW interwebs fake". Like Troy Corser, the story does not crack the Top 10 in competition, not even in tryouts for the Gong Show. A 6.8 for the fiction, but a 3.5 for lack of patience and development in the story. Vicious? No, not when it's time for those old snots from BeemerLand to eat mega doses of big fat crow on the track. Somehow, for some reason, Xaus and Corser not being able to compete against Ducati, Suzuki, or Yamaha on a track doesn't mean a thing?! LOL! That's awesome! Au contraire, mon frair, this is going to be a stellar year for Buellers on 1125Rs.  | ||
| Syonyk |
... I find the last page or so amusing. Apparently, I don't own a 1125R, and I clearly am making this up because I rode a '79 CX500 for 4 years through college/grad school and then decided I wanted to get something more powerful, better handling, and with a warranty? HUH? Do some of you actually read the tripe you post? The bike is very good on the street. It has it's faults, and I think many of those are things that should not exist on it, but it is a very good bike. I also LOVE the amount of front light area it has - it's better lit than almost any other sportbike out there. HIDs in the low beams, and LEDs for the side markers on order - it's got room to glow from the front, which is good for safety. For the record, I've had crappy service at /2/ HD dealerships, not just one. I'm not a BMW troll, I don't own a BMW (yet), I have no affiliation with BMW. *shrug* Believe what you will. | ||
| Dentguy |
I find this last page amusing also. Sounds like somebody on this page has BMW issues. |
