| Author | Message | ||
     Highlander51 |
I too have ordered mine but have not heard if it has shipped yet. I'm very pleased with the attention put into making sure that the calibration is right for my use. Looking forward too seeing how well it works. | ||
| Strongbad |
Just because you have issues swapping stock ECM's between years does not mean that it can't be done with the race ECM, they are two different animals when it comes to the calibration inside. The map for the Buell full exhaust system will work with 08's, 09's, and 10's. The change to injectors was only to target them differently, electrical characteristics and flow are the same. The speedo is calibrated for the 1125R, any other gearing will throw off the speedo and possibly the gear display on 09+ instrument clusters. Easy, I understand you have a business to maintain, but discrediting your competition without any basis is poor practice in my eyes. I want to see you succeed, but not at the expense of EBR. What I suggest you do is purchase the current hardware and then make your point, until then everything you say is purely an assumption. Also, this horsepower game is absolutely annoying. Unless everything is tested in perfect lab conditions, you can't even begin to compare horsepower numbers from different dynos, in different climates, and under different testing procedures. To discredit Manxboy's power numbers based on numbers you have gotten in your completely different cell and on your completely different dyno makes no sense. Until we see back to back runs on the same dyno and same conditions this back and forth over power is meaningless. I initially only intended on posting to badweb as a way to provide factual information related to the function of Buell motorcycles as the assumptions and conjecture that fly around here are truly great, but the constant feeling of being attacked isn't worth my time. I apologize for hijacking this thread with my rant, this will be my last post on badweatherbikers. If you have questions or concerns related to EBR products, go to the source. Just as if you had questions or concerns regarding twinmotorcycles products, ask easyrider. | ||
| Spank |
Well now, thats to bad! | ||
| Mountainstorm |
That truly sucks. I was picking up that too but being a FNG around here I thought it would be out of place to start playing referee but I gotta agree with Strongbad. And now he's outta here. Really a loss. In my book anyone that is here to set the story straight with info from the horse's mouth is more than welcome. There is an overabundance of speculation and opinion. I sure hope you reconsider, Strongbad, and continue with your useful input. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
Yea this really does suck, + infinity mountainstorm...i really hope he reconsiders... Jake | ||
| Manxboy |
Way to go Easyrider! Your pi$$ing good people off and driving them away from this great forum. You MUST understand hp numbers from a dyno in Holland cannot be compared to any other dyno numbers. No two dynos will give identical figures. You may well see high hp numbers on your dyno, it does not mean you will see the same numbers on a different dyno. Strongbad, please reconsider your above statement, we need knowledgeable, helpful people like yourself around here! | ||
| Highlander51 |
Strongbad, I agree, Don't throw the babies out with the bathwater. Your input has been very useful here. I,ve learned alot from you posts that helped me decide to use the EBR race ECM. | ||
| Blackflash |
Theres been others who have have proven on 08s and 09s "almost" at the 140 hp mark.Ebr isn't the only one that has stuff available for sale here folks.Hes not a god and he doesn't walk on water.This is with a stock pipe or a modified open style like a jardine or hmf.O S B tune is easily flashed back and forth with its own software.To me this is gold.I dont have to take a pod off to remove and replace a race ecu.I do it with a laptop.Furthermore when you buy a race ecu theres no adjustment.Unless you buy a 500.00 addon or total for both creeping at 800.00 .Woo my Azz would hurt after paying that.I just want others to know whats available before they jump the gun.At least with the PFU you can adjust your afv up and down. Who wants to pay 500$ more for that with the race ecu.Not me http://www.mediafire.com/file/yeynhmwfwng/DynoChar ts-1.pdf,http://www.mediafire.com/file/yeynhmwfwng /DynoCharts-1.pdf | ||
| Mountainstorm |
You are entitled to your opinion. But frankly EBR does walk on water and I would much rather have an EBR ECM with a proper calibration mapped into it than some non-Buell product regardless of the price points. I want my Buell all Buell. | ||
| Manxboy |
Blackflash, As Strongbad said these hp numbers are somewhat meaningless unless you are all on the same dyno. I've taken my Manx Norton to several different dynos and they all have read differently. It's not a dick measuring contest here, I just gave my numbers out so people could see the improvement the EBR ecm and pipe had made over the same bike on the SAME dyno! | ||
| Blackflash |
WOW BRILLIANT!! Blackflash As Strongbad said these hp numbers are somewhat meaningless unless you are all on the same dyno. I've taken my Manx Norton to several different dynos and they all have read differently.<<<<<< GOOD POINT It's not a dick measuring contest here, I just gave my numbers out so people could see the improvement the EBR ecm and pipe had made over the same bike on the SAME dyno! Problem with your numbers as youve stated different dynos show different results What you dont have posted is your stock numbers and after with your parts on the same dyno same day. Thats where its at!!!And that mean everything to me when I buy something.Hell You need a stock dyno chart ? Maybe I'll give you one .That way people can compare mine stock to yours modified.<<< You have no baseline so you have nothing but pretty numbers that I could even post on a different dyno that rates high numbers. I dont see one baseline you've made man x boy.You aint got S~~T | ||
| D_adams |
Wow, I hadn't planned to post any comments here but tell me you weren't making fun of Manxboy's name there? Are you truely that much of an idiot that you don't recognize it stands for a "Manx Norton" motorcycle? I'm not much into classic Norton bikes, but at least I understood what his name referred to. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=manx+norton&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=EoNfS5kQj5i2B57-uPcL&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQsAQwAA  As far as the rest of the content of your post, again I ask, must you constantly attack your "potential" customer base by calling them names, stating that their numbers on the dyno are crap compared to yours and that you are the last standing authority on everything Buell? I'm pretty sure EBR has a much better handle on this than you do and that his dyno testing would put you to shame. Dude, I wish you all the luck in the world. Class and character means a lot to your customers, show them what you've got. Me, I'll just stay over here in the corner and watch the mudslinging continue. Strongbad, I'm also asking for you to stick around, I definitely appreciated the info you gave me. Knowledge is power, thanks again for the info. (Message edited by d_adams on January 26, 2010) | ||
| Mountainstorm |
I PMed Flash a while back to let him know he had lost me as a potential customer for exactly the same asscap antics you see in his post above. He just doesn't get it. Just because this is the internet does not mean you get to be a tough guy. I don't care how many overpriced exhaust turn outs he sells on eBay he's looking like a right D-bag here. Just my 2 cents. That's the problem with people thinking about how much money they can make off enthusiasts...they forget why we are on this Forum in the first place. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
And I regress; dyno numbers are a good "guideline" to performance and probably help a lot in race or performance tuning BUT, the final test must be on the track, road course or 1/4 mile, and on the street for good all around day to day ride ability. I will carefully monitor the input here from those who will or have already installed some tuning device. EBR's results will be forthcoming soon hopefully. And I wonder how many race tuners change a dyno tune for each different track they ride on. Maybe yes, maybe none at all. Again, for the street, which most of us ride 95% of the time probably a single tune would suffice nicely after richening up the ECM some, maybe adding some H.P., but definitely aiding ride ability. Damn the EPA. Ha! Bob | ||
| Manxboy |
Blackflash, Hand me a shovel, I'll help you dig that big ol' hole your digging for yourself here! If you had read my earlier post properly, I stated that I had seen an improvement of 15 hp on the same dyno from the stock bike, to the same bike, but with the EBR ecm and exhaust. It was not on the same day, as I had to take the bike home, fit the exhaust and ecm then go back to the same dyno. This is as fair as a comparison as I could get. If you need to see the original stock bike dyno chart I'll dig it out for you. I have no reason to lie about these numbers, I'm not selling anybody anything. I posted the numbers because people were asking for info on the EBR ecm's | ||
| T_man |
I also hope Strongbad reconsiders his choice to leave Badweb permanently. His information has been extremely informative - even invaluable. His posts have pretty much sealed the deal for me to order one of EBR ECM's. To be fair though - I think there is a little lost in translation in Easyrider's posts - I don't think he is outright trying to be rude. His business is heavily wieghted towards the Buell aftermarket and the combo of the factory being shut down & now having to compete with superbly priced EBR ECM's surely makes for a little sweating in these tough economic times. I hope we can all pull together to keep our orphan Buell's running as long and as well as possible. | ||
| Mountainstorm |
I will be doing a Dyno run back to back with the OEM ECM and the EBR ECM and I'll post it up ASAP. That should be interesting. With the stock pipe I see 132HP and 78 Torque in a 4th gear pull to redline (posted elsewhere). Now with the HMF and K&N that baseline may not be 100% comparative but I'll throw that in too. | ||
| Blackflash |
Im only stating facts.And sorry my goal here isn't to create a customer base like adams.This forum is for accurate information.True correct information that is correct and accurate.The accuracy of this dyno post is totally unofficial.Because there was no before and after .Therefore It cant be used to brew up hopes!! No attacking going on just informing the people that are unaware of dyno fraud!! lol Once again calling me a idiot proves that You yourself are blindsighted as well . My posts should not have nothing to do with bussiness.If the product works it works!! I gave good information above in this thread.It was turned on me with a nonsense remark.Im not attacking just clearing it up.Which made Absolutely no sense!!I believe ebr Might have a good product.Im hopeful for others that have no tuning software.But to post results that have no baseline was completely meaningless.I hope people are not blindsighted by a bad post.I was just keeping people aware of this.And everytime I have point out something like this why is it I'm the bad guy adams?? Get a clue!!More clues are soon to be posted adams.Not to your likeings.I know everyone is positive about this product I am too.But not the tuning price.Until I see a baseline and after with parts Im not acting like ebr is holy.Theres alot of junk on the market .I've bought it and sold it.Everyone lets admit it.theres alot of junk that doesnt work.Remus powerizors one of them .Protune is another.Need to name more.Think not!!Just being realistic. | ||
| Blackflash |
Mountainstorm Im glad you stepped up to the task.I give you props.Thanks for helping badwebbers and contributing to the cause.  (Message edited by blackflash on January 26, 2010) | ||
| Blackflash |
Ah the dyno charts thread.The gods have spoken. | ||
| Slypiranna |
...I really hope epa or an otherwise HUGE ass~hole isn't monitoring this thread for race cals on obvious street/registered 11's... How would that help the future efforts isn't rocket science. Some details should be f**cking left in PM's, not public. Perhaps more of you "positive Enthusiasts" wish to loose further rights. As you were, no reply needed...consider this post just a speedbump. | ||
| Easyrider |
Strongbad, I have the hardware already, and tested it. It is not different then the hardware before where you needed a race license for. I think I was 1 of the first in Europe who learned to work with the Race ECM, and helped a lot off people around the world to understand how to use it when they called me There was no Manual with the ECM (I hope there is one now) I still need to make 2 different maps measured on my dyno with 2 different bikes and the same Race ECM, 1 for the 1125R 2008 model and 1 for the 2009CR. HEre is some old testing data i did before on the ECM's maybe you like to read it: http://www.twinmotorcycles.nl/artikelen.asp?aid=56 http://www.twinmotorcycles.nl/artikelen.asp?aid=53 I can't do anything about feelings people have. What I can do is tell people the truth. When you dyno the bike good, the power is there. | ||
| Moosestang |
...I really hope epa or an otherwise HUGE ass~hole isn't monitoring this thread for race cals on obvious street/registered 11's... How would that help the future efforts isn't rocket science. Some details should be f**cking left in PM's, not public. Perhaps more of you "positive Enthusiasts" wish to loose further rights. As you were, no reply needed...consider this post just a speedbump How could I not respond to this? I'm sure if the EPA were monitoring enthusiast forums, their time would be better spent on a car forum trying to track down all the people with no catalytic converters. As a member of several mustang forums, I can assure you there are bigger fish to fry. | ||
| Nickg |
that is what your local DMV or MVC is charged with...buying parts and using them for purposes OTHER than intended use relieves the manufacturer of burden...except in CALI | ||
| Easyrider |
David McGrath DSMCG David, I am Dris, 1 of the 2 Owners of Twin Motorcycles in the Netherlands. My daily work 5 days a week is dyno work on Buell products, Race engines, strokers bigbores, and streetbikes. We make our own race products exhaust and Fuelmaps. For that reason we are a competitor of EBR. I have no idea what you are talking about. I ask questions and would like to know who is doing what in this world. I also like to tell people what they should buy and why, before they buy something wrong. I already paid that money for them. and we have never met. | ||
| Highscore |
Easyrider, looks like as you really believe you are the high priest of Buell tuning. You works five days a week on the dyno? That means you make one bike a week, because at another place you wrote, a proper need this time. What are you doing the whole time on the dyno? I guess playing around, because with the proper tooling and experience a new map should be done within hours and not days. O.k. may be you need hundreds of dyno run to understand the phenomenons. Is this the proof you are a better dyno man? Definitely not, because is a cook a better cook when he needs ten tries to make an eatable meal? Like you, Easyrider, I am here to know what other people are doing in the world regarding Buell tuning. But sadly you did not give me any answer to my questions. Obviously you are very proud of your dyno. Never heard about this brand mark "Dynostar". At least its torque graph with the "x"-marks on looks like a "home-grown" Excel-print. Your dyno-room is perfect? Not at all - you are performing your tests in a small refrigerator under unique ambient conditions. BTW: Always bad weather with below 1000 mbar ambient pressure in the Netherlands? You are posting here always the same graphs. If you really made dozens of Buells please give us some new material which shows us how other bikes respond to your tuning mods, bikes are different due of production tolerances. When offering a tuning product to the public it should work even on very bike, no matter of its tolerance. Easyrider, I am waiting for your answer. And please stop treating your critics here as fools. | ||
| Easyrider |
He Highscore, Back in Town (-; What people (like you in this case -high priest of Buell tuning-) say, i can't help. I never said, anything like this, please find a quote for me where i did this. Yes, 5 days a week, Besides, developing product for exhaust manufacturers and test them on the Buell and XR1200, I adjust bike for customers. different types the most the Buell, from carb versions to XB9, XB12, 1125, racer etc etc. and the XR1200. You are the day tuner, you have this people, they are so brilliant, i am the tuner that will need for the same NEW setup more days, and yes you always have smarter people, that's live, I take care in my dyno for what i think is important in adjusting a Buell. I only care about Buell and XR1200 tuning nothing else, that is a choice i made. Highscore, I can understand that you are jealous , but I stay in my tent, It will take you more then a earthquake to get me out here, and what you think about me or my work is your opinion (-; Now enough talking for today, I have bikes to adjust and products to test. | ||
| Palmer |
I'm interested in the 250 bucks ecm. I'm not a dyno-my '25 is more powerful than yours-guy. This said, is it possible that the 250$ ecm is something like the old proseries ECM for xb? just a ecm with some spice in it? I think that's the best choice for most of the buellers in the world. | ||
| Mikellyjo |
Palmer I think you're right. For a majority of us out here the $250 option is the way to go if we want better than stock performance. And if EBR will calibrate it for the the FMF slip on (at no extra cost) that I have then that's a bonus. Sure I could go out and buy the cables and the software but for what I am looking for in performance, plug and play is the way to go. I'll take a calibrated ECM from the maker of the bike hands down over anything else. I know I am going out on a limb here...but maybe, just maybe, EBR has an idea about how these bikes run. And maybe being out from under the umbrella of big HD will prove beneficial to those who ride out the storm.   | ||
| Mountainstorm |
That is my feeling as well. I think the best policy is to wait a few more days until one of us can post up before and after dyno runs and/or SOTP impressions of the EBR ECM. For my money it can't be any worse than blowing $250 on a Jardine Pro-Tune III only to find out it is too imprecise to really improve the riding experience beyond reducing surge at low RPM. |
