| Author | Message | ||
     Easyrider |
If Somebody dyno's it, measure the 10,12,14 TPS range from 1700 RPM to the end with a amount of brake please and post it. That is the cruising area (-; | ||
| Mountainstorm |
I'll see if the Roanoke dealer has the skills and equipment to do that. | ||
| Justa4banger |
Mountainstorm.... i HIGHLY doubt the bike will run like crap, but it may not be as smooth as it could be for daily riding... there is a difference between race and street tunes.. race could careless about drivibility... Also a higher octane with the race ecm may show dramatic improvements.. when you get your ECM, ride around with it on pump gas and then try a bottle of TORCO race additive........ For those who have never heard of Torco or don't believe an additive can work... this stuff does. My little 4 pot mustang survive 28 psi of boost on a daily basis for 2 years on Torco... 5 gal of 93 and one qt of torco is 105 octane...on just straight pump gas i could only run 20 psi TOPS, and had to reduce my top rpm timing by 6*, from 29* timing on top to 23* It's about 17.00 a qt when bought in Qt containers... back in the day i was buying 5 gallons for 170.00 that lasted 7 tanks of gas generally... i was using 3 qts per fill up for the 4pot stang... Made 430+whp on 2.3 liters | ||
| Mountainstorm |
Thanks for the info. Here's another concern I feel needs to be addressed: will HD say the Race ECM voids the warranty? For those of us with the ESP who plan on keeping our bikes forever that should be important to know. | ||
| Highlander51 |
I too am a sucker for things to good to be true, so I put my order in also. I mean $250 is bargain. I spent $450 just for the exhaust that only sounds good, $400 for the lowers that only look good. For an ECM that hopefully will put the performance together, I'm in. (Message edited by highlander51 on January 24, 2010) | ||
| Dsmcg |
Direct from Erik's website; "Engine Control Module for 1125 model motorcycles with race exhaust systems. This ECM also works with motorcycles that have both race exhaust systems and a free flowing air ufilter. Simply replace existing ECM with this one for race or track-day events. Use of this ECM is not intended for vehicles operated on the road or otherwise subject to emission control requirements. In California, this product should not be used on any vehicle that is registered or licensed for use on public roads. NOTE: This ECM as delivered contains one race calibration map, and cannot be re-programmed through our tuning software kit. In order to be able to program right away, you must buy Y1152.08AZ – PROGRAMMABLE 1125 ECM KIT. You also may choose to add the ability to program later using Y1052.08AH – PROGRAMMABLE ECM SOFTWARE AND CABLE, but it will require shipping the ECM back to Erik Buell Racing to be synced with the software license." Easy Rider wrote; "Before I see the picture off the dyno room where this map is made, I still believe it is not that good." Do a search for; Daytona International Speedway, California Autoclub speedway, Road Atlanta, Rd America, Mid Ohio, VIR, Laguna Seca, New Jersey Motorsports park, all the national circuts in Canada and some in Europe....there are plenty of photographs of the REAL racetracks where these same maps were refined. Countless hours of racetrack feedback were used in combination with cals generated on both a DynoJet model 250 and Superflow Cycledyn chassis dyno. Again Easy Rider; "And even when I see a picture of the dyno room, I still wonder who made IT." Strongbad WAS the guy who mapped and looked after every 1125R racebike in the AMA and Canadian series - at the actual racetracks. Without exception, every rider was very complimentary of power delivery and initial throttle drivability - on the racetrack. Anything that is adjustable will NEVER be perfect for every end user. The plug and play ECM is designed for the track rider or racer who do not have the means to spend time on a dyno - especially if their track bike's configuration is something NOT out in left field. Potential customers should discuss with EBR what the end goal is and what components will be on the bike. Until any of the posters have raced a 1125R that had a map constructed by Strongbad, you are typing from a perspective of assumption. I changed that statement to something less venomous. The components available from EBR are for a specific application. EBR must take the end user at their word as to what they will be doing with them. If the user configures his / her machine outside the developed spec, certainly we must not be surprised if any issues present themselves. DSMcG (Message edited by DSMcG on January 24, 2010) (Message edited by DSMcG on January 24, 2010) (Message edited by dsmcg on January 24, 2010) | ||
| Palmer |
hi guys, someone of you over there could me kindly and in a simple way explain me what this mean?
be patient. I'm a poor italian guy with a little dictionary:-) By the way in italy we are still very closed minded about the 1125. The trend is still " a buell without HD engine isn't a real buell" and such crap stuff. BWB is very helpful for me. Than you Badwebbers!! | ||
| Jules |
Until any of the posters have raced a 1125R that had a map constructed by Strongbad, you are typing from a perspective of assumption. I changed that statement to something less venomous. That's probably for the best because I can't see anything in this thread that would deserve any "venom" It's been a useful exchange of views and opinions and that includes the post with your opinion in it... | ||
| Bob_thompson |
"Engine Control Module for 1125 model motorcycles with race exhaust systems. This ECM also works with motorcycles that have both race exhaust systems and a free flowing air filter. "The plug and play ECM is designed for the track rider or racer who do not have the means to spend time on a dyno" From my limited perspective: both these things are basically true and if I can be somewhat optimistic; with as lean as these bikes are from the factory due to the EPA regs. any ECM tune that richens up the A/F ratio some cannot be TOO bad. Maybe it will not be perfect for my exhaust system and K&N but it should help. No, its not a full race exhaust but flows considerably better then stock and needs more fuel. Driveability stock is fair but could be much better and I, like some others ride strictly for "sport" i.e., not too much cruising and fuel mileage is not a priority. And on the second statement; I believe, probably like many others, I do not have the ability or money to spend on a dyno for tuning and have to go with a plug and play system. There appear now, to be at least three good ones out there to choose from. A little while longer for more info and I will decide which I prefer to spend my hard earned money on. Let the games begin. Bob | ||
| Cataract2 |
Well, like I've said. I'm waiting on dyno runs from multiple sources. I want to see (hoping) dyno runs from people with just an exhaust swap, exhaust swap with air filter, race exhaust system, race exhaust system with filter, and why not just a plan stock bike with just the race ECM. I want to see what this sucker will do. Oh, and also what the MPG looks like after. | ||
| Jules |
Oh, and also what the MPG looks like after. That did make me chuckle - tagged on there as an afterthought, I agree and I'm looking forward to some dyno results. Not too bothered about power increases, just a bit more fuel. Hopefully it won't be too long until someone posts some..Especially as EBR now has shipping rates to the UK now :-) | ||
| Cataract2 |
Well, I still ride all over and range is important. Last thing I was is only 100 miles to the tank on this bike. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
Just subscribing......... | ||
| Moosestang |
I made this offer on another forum, but had no interest. If I can get 50 people to paypal me $5 each or 250 people to paypal me $1 each, I'll buy a race ecm and put it on my stock bike. I'll of course post the dyno run and my review. | ||
| Puzzled |
Moosestang don't forget about Paypal fees, :-) | ||
| Hdwrenchtx |
i am only looking for one person to send me $257.92 to pay for mine. oh yeah i might want to pick up a full FMF system while you are at it. | ||
| Moosestang |
I'll cover the fees.  | ||
| Manxboy |
 I race a 1125R with the Buell race ECM, Buell exhaust and a K&N filter. It runs the Daytona Sport Bike map, which I understand is what you get with the $250 plug and play unit. I have ridden the bike on the street a few times and I can tell you it works great. It has no hesitation like the original map and it pulls like a freight train now! It makes 135 hp and 75 lbs of torque, which is up 15 hp from stock, and this is on regular 93 octane pump gas. On the race track it works fantastic with great throttle response and brilliant drive off corners. In the four races I ran last year I had three wins and a 2nd. I've attached a dyno sheet so you can see how it all works. IMO it's the best $250 you can spend on the bike, a lot of work went into this map to make it work so well. I don't know how it will work with other exhaust's but I suspect it will work well. | ||
| Family_buells |
Justa4banger, higher octane will not increase horsepower. If you are not experiencing detonation, then you don't need an increase in octane rating. In fact you can get fuel that has too high of an octane rating and you will slow down combustion and lose power. Obviously you were running a turbocharged motor that needed a higher octane fuel so that you could increase your boost. An 1125R with standard compression will not need higher octane fuel to make more power. Also, putting a race additive in your fuel is a compromise at best because you are using pump gas that will be more inconsistent from batch to batch than a given race fuel. One of the advantages of running race fuel is its consistency. The quality control of race gas is typically much higher than pump gas. The main things you want to be consistent are the components of petroleum & additives and especially the viscosity of the fuel. Viscosity is important because variations will affect the volume of fuel flow through the injectors for a given pressure. I also disagree with your comment about drivability not mattering for racebikes. When you are on the ragged edge of traction coming out of a corner on a racetrack, I can assure you drivability most certainly matters when you have over 130hp at the rear wheel. Those who can apply throttle the smoothest will be able to apply it sooner and will have one of the most important advantages you can get on a racetrack. (Message edited by family_buells on January 25, 2010) | ||
| Mhpalin |
manxboy is that the stock exhaust or the ebr race one thanks Mike | ||
| Reducati |
thanks...i was hoping for that info | ||
| Blackflash |
Lean at 4k but good stuff to see.Great post manxboy (Message edited by blackflash on January 25, 2010) | ||
| Manxboy |
This was with the EBR exhaust. | ||
| Manxboy |
I forgot to mention that I run some pretty exotic, read expensive, fuels in my Manx Norton (VP's U4.2 and Powermist TO137 etc.)some of these are heavily oxygenated and high octane. I tried these in the 1125R and it did NOT like them! The best power was made on plain old 93 octane pump gas ( this was good for me as the race fuels are $17/gallon ). I adjusted the global fuel each time the fuel was changed, using the dynos A/F info for help, so the map was optimized for the fuel being used. I ended up with the global fuel setting at + 6% from the original Daytona Sport Bike map which is exactly what Strongbad had said would be needed in an earlier post, for pump gas. These guy's definitely did their homework on this, and I thank them for it. | ||
| Newtobuells |
manxboy, how did you get it to rev to 11000? is that another feature of the race ecm? | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
yea you can adjust the rev limiter  Jake | ||
| Manxboy |
Newtobuells, well spotted! I just went into PCM tool (the software you get with the race ecm) and checked the info on rpm limits and its set at 11,100. You can adjust individual cylinder a/f, ignition timing and a thousand other parameters also. | ||
| Moosestang |
manxboy, how did you get it to rev to 11000? is that another feature of the race ecm? I'm sure you can set the rev limiter higher with the tuning software. I used to run my mustangs rev limiter at 6800rpms, stock was 6250 and it actually starts kicking in 200 rpms before that. 500 extra rpms on the buell is probably no big deal. | ||
| Torquaholic |
Everyone is excited about this Race calibrated ECM coming out from EBR...I am too. It sounds like a great bang for the buck. That being said, please correct me if I'm wrong, but has anyone questioned if it will work on both a 2008 and 2009 bike? EBR's website claims that it will fit all years of 1125. That's great. Does this ECM know, and can it compensate for, the differences between the 2008 and 2009 model years? What model year 1125 was the Daytona Sport Bike map originally tuned on? I know that Buell released several revisions to factory calibrations for each model year, separate ECM flashes depending on the model year. What I don't get is how this ECM circumvents the differences. Does anyone have the answer to that? | ||
| Moosestang |
You'll probably need to ask EBR. You can always ask Erik directly on Facebook. I'd like to know if the speedo will be correct on a CR. I know that's not really needed for the track, but I have every intention to use this thing on the street. |
