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Captain_america
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry Blower1, let me clarify that statement. It was far too general...

I do not like anything that comes from: Japan, China, Korea, Malaysia, Asia basically..

Everywhere else is cool: Europe, Canada, Australia, Austria and like
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Kidder
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 07:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, you will not like braking. Nissin is a Japanese company.
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Nm5150
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My front wheel says"China"on it.
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Dipstick
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now let me get this straight. Someone bought one of the most wickedly fast and capable super bikes available on the planet, that goes 0-60 in less than 3 seconds and has a top speed around 170 and then actually complains that it doesn't get over 50 + MPG? WTF? Am I missing something here? I have no idea what mileage my 1125R gets, I'm too busy just having fun and trying to hang on the thing! I did toggle to the instant mileage mode once while at a steady 100 MPH and it indicated 27 MPG. Seems like reasonable mileage to me!
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes you are missing something, Buell advertises 53mpg highway on the R and 47 for the CR. He is getting less than half of that. Some people, including me, have exceed that. You would be bitching too if something else was wrong, say you are only getting 70hp while everyone else is getting 130 on the dyno.
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Captain_america
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dipstick I Feel The Same Way
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Zac4mac
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"mpg" is a big thing for me.
One more reason in my list of justifications to ride not drive.
Currently getting 33mpg, was getting 37 or 39.
Found front tire pressure low.

If everyone rode, there'd be no traffic jams.

Z
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like this?

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Dipstick
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reality check! Buell also advertised 57 MPG on the 08 XB1200S, I never got close to that on mine. (no one else I know did either) It ran great, plugs were a classic tan color, but 38-40 MPG was the best I ever got and that was when I ran with my cruiser friends. (read slow) I still miss that bike.

My point is, don't buy a rocket and then complain about mileage if it's running fine and all other indications point to normal operation. No one I know has ever been able to achieve anything close to rated EPA mileage on anything, much less a top tier sport bike. Your right wrist has more to do with mileage than any other factor. These bikes were designed to burn a LOT of fuel, thats why they run so good and are so much fun! Enjoy the ride my friend.
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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No one I know has ever been able to achieve anything close to rated EPA mileage on anything, much less a top tier sport bike.




Go back to the last page. I posted charts of me matching EPA ratings on 3 of my 4 bikes, and blowing it away on my car getting 40% higher. By looking at the charts, you can tell the times I am milking it vs the times I am riding normally. Hell, I bet you wouldn't be able to guess which fillup I hit the Dragon twice on with the CR.

The thing is, there is probably something wrong with his bike causing it to burn excessive. Unfortunately, there isn't much anyone can do about it from a computer screen other than basic diagnostics and advice.
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Dipstick
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy, I love that video!!! I probably burn more fuel than everyone in in it combined, but I still have more fun! Thanks for sharing it.
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Dipstick
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Captain America, I was starting to think I might be the only one who thought this way!
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Bob_saggot
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At Zac4Mac

http://www.vespausa.com/

Ya I know what you mean about the millage. On my HD Super Glide which is much heavier I could get 45-50 MPG. It is kind of a joke what this bike gets. But it's a 146hp rocket, didn't buy it for 60 MPG. The website is misleading saying it gets 47 so I can see why your angry. In the end it won't cost you that much more to ride it.

10,000 Miles a year at 32 MPG gas $2.60.
$812

10,000 Miles a year at 42 MPH gas 2.60.
$619

Personally I wouldn't use it to go to work and back over a small car "to save money".

You bought it to enjoy it : )
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Macchiato
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On my Honda RC51 I was lucky to get 20mpg. Less than 100 miles per tank.
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Hdwrenchtx
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have never had a Harley get 50mpg or whatever they claim. Maybe if you leave it bone stock and drive like an old man and drive all highway miles.

I get 35mpg if it is a 1450 or 1856cc. I think I get about that on the cr too. Must be the way I ride.
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Illbuell
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 01:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 1125CR is geared lower than the R so of course the R gets better mileage..
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Easyrider
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A good adjusted 1125CR will run average
1 liter of gasoline on 20KM.

I have no idea how this works with MPG
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Keef
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well i have gotten over 46 mpg on my 1125cr,it is red,so it is slicker that the black ones,cuts through the air better and if you put synthetic blinker fluid on the tires you can get even better mpg than that,makes them slicker too,less rolling resistance.....

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T_man
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

20kms per Liter? Your saying that good ajdusted CR should get approximately 360km per tank (18L x 20km)? And still have 4 more Liters to play with! On the lower geared CR? WOW thats seriously impressive!

I get roughly HALF that (200km on 18L) or an average of 11kms per Liter on an R. (29mpg) What have I got a hole in my frame? Does your good adjusted CR run on 1 cylinder?

I'd love to see that type of mileage but I have to wonder to what extent I'd have to putter around at to achieve it. I remember I used to get over 300kms per tank on my Gixxer Thou' but never on any of the big sporty twins I've had.
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Easyrider
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 08:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

T_man,

read please, when you cruise 120 KM a hour or 100 km a hour, without stopping pulling etc etc It runs that. It all depends on the rider.
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T_man
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh Ok, fair enough - 'puttering' then indeed. I'm not complaining about my mileage just curious how some of the extremely good mileage is achieved.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you believe your fuel economy is below average.. take it to the dealer... let them find the problem

If they can't fix it and its still down... then try different riding methods and see if you can get the mpg up...

I'm happy with my fuel economy on my R.. low 40's when i drive it nice and 28-32 when i ride it hard... i can live with that.

Oh and who ever was giving praise to chevy's new line up of fuel sippers.... Go read some reports from actually owners on some forum boards.. Hell read edmunds.. only the compact cars are getting their numbers... the truck are way below, the suv's are way below...that new traverse/acadia suv... most are reporting mid/hi teens for MPG on the Hwy.. city is much worse... no where near the 26mpg its rated for..

Do some searching on how the EPA fuel testing is done and you'll see why its flawed... average of 48 mph with no accessories on... for only a few miles in 75* weather...

MC's are exempt from testing so i wonder why Buell would even bother posting mpg numbers...
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Keef
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

on the serious side,may I remind all of you that ALL fuel being sold now had a miniumum of 10% ethenol in it.The bad thing there is all you are really doing is deluting the gas with a liquid that has less BTU than straight gasoline. That means it takes more fuel now to develope the same power to push the vehicle it is used in,in essence more throttle for the same speed you used to drive or ride...so a good rule of thumb is you will see about 20 % LESS gas mileage and about 10% or so less hp output with ethonol over straight gas.. you have to figure that in when you figure mileage, yea' also the epa fuel ratings are done with straight gas with No ethenol added to the fuel of course you are not told that little info either.......




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Justa4banger
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i can't remember the last time i ever saw a gas station WITHOUT a "10% ethanol added" sign..

They all have them.. time will tell soon enough...
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Keef
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

man you know there was a guy who invented a engine that eas made out of fiberglass and ran on water and it was covered up by the big oil companys because they couldn't control the cost of water.......


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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

20km per liter works out 47MPG US, which is a little higher than what I currently get with a stock tune.


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Oh and who ever was giving praise to chevy's new line up of fuel sippers.... Go read some reports from actually owners on some forum boards.. Hell read edmunds.. only the compact cars are getting their numbers... the truck are way below, the suv's are way below...that new traverse/acadia suv... most are reporting mid/hi teens for MPG on the Hwy.. city is much worse... no where near the 26mpg its rated for..




It is called learning how to drive. The EPA tests all cars in the exact same way. If idiot one is getting 50% less than EPA ratings, he will get that regardless of vehicle. So if Idiot one is getting 20mpg on a Chevy Cobalt, he will get 15 in a Toyota Camry. It is the same reason I can get 36mpg on a V6 Monte Carlo and over 100mpg on a Toyta Prius.

EPA testing isn't flawed, drivers are. They readjusted the procedure a few years back to make cars do worse.


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MC's are exempt from testing so i wonder why Buell would even bother posting mpg numbers...




Motorcycles are not exempt from testing, the numbers come from the emissions test that all motorcycles go through. Buell posts the numbers, because they have nothing to hide, unlike most other manufactures who like to leave out important details.


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so a good rule of thumb is you will see about 20 % LESS gas mileage and about 10% or so less hp output with ethonol over straight gas..




That is BS, you will see a about a 3% drop in fuel economy running E10.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MC being exempt came right from the EPA's website. i didn't make it up.. i actually thought they would be tested...

As for drivers being flawed... yes i can agree that most of us don't know how to drive to conserve fuel... but come on 48mph AVERAGE speed , no accessories, and only a 10 mile test course? yea ok...

I consider myself a conservative driver when i want to be.. long road trips for instance.. i don't set land speed records, but i sure try to make that mpg number go up... Best i've managed so far is 28.8 mpg out of an 07 Grand cherokee...4700 lbs brick... being its a diesel helps a whole bunch.

My point is you are NOT the average, you are above average for driving vs fuel economy.... the average is that idiot that only gets 20mpg out of a cobalt.. thats how the GENERAL public drives, so shouldn't the standards be set to that? THAT way when a driver drives like you, he gets a pleasant surprise and is rewarded with great fuel economy...
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm sorry, but most of your info about the testing is inaccurate, the test broken into 5 parts, totaling 44 miles over an hour and half, and includes reaching speeds of 80mph and using the AC and long idles in 20°f weather. The test was revised a few years ago to include all this to get a more accurate number, as it will more accurately simulate the average driver with more realistic driving scenarios.

As for motorcycle testing, there is no standardized testing, but those that do publish numbers use the mandated FTP emissions test to obtain the numbers.
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Moosestang
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just checked my AFV's and my rear went from 105 to 110.5. That's probably hurting my mpg. Must be all the cold weather we had. My AFV's had been 105/105 for the last 1,000 miles.
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Lastonetherebuys
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

}Reality check! Buell also advertised 57 MPG on the 08 XB1200S

When you are figuring out your mileage compared to what the OEM specs are make sure you are using the same gallon that the use in their figures. US Gallon is 3.78 liters and imperial gallon is 4.54 liters
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