| Author | Message | ||
     Redbuell1203 |
Had a guy awhile back say that his busa would just plain out ride, corner, and handle our 1125r's. My question is I myself like the ability to flick these bikes around in a corner coming from my xb. Placed many a knee down for some really too tight a corner. Do you REALLY think that a busa could out handle and corner the 1125r? | ||
| Ccryder |
With the right rider, anything is possible. I know a 9r rider that readily out ran many larger bikes. He is now on an 1125r so it's a whole new story! | ||
| Moosestang |
No, I'm sure the busa owners on here will say the same. The Hayabusa is a 2 wheeled couch in comparison with it's almost 4 inch longer wheel base. | ||
| Redbuell1203 |
I guess it just rubbed me wrong. He didn't know what kind of bike I was on...some import right!?! I do know the he drag races a busa, but you don't turn on a drag race. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Ccryder, that 9r rider wouldn't happen to be one of the riders from GA that rode with the 3% group would he? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
NO way in hell if you are simply looking at the bikes...as was stated previously, the rider is 80% or more of the equation. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Red, as for the Busa. It's a good bike in terms of it's sheer acceleration, but for it's handling I would say it's a bit of a pig. In FL there were a ton of Busa's around. Here in CO it's another story entirely. The Busa's are seen at the corners with people talking. In the mountains, not so much. I've outrun my fair share of them in the mountains. That's my opinion. YMMV. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I do know the he drag races a busa, but you don't turn on a drag race. I think the fact that he made those statements without even knowing the other bike speaks volumes. Tell him even a 600 would outrun him on any normal racetrack. | ||
| Edmbueller |
not a hope in hell. I have a friend with a Busa. It's a monster in a straight line. corners like a Mack truck | ||
| Redbuell1203 |
Wow can not believe all the input from you guys or girls. I do realize that these bikes handle like a rail, but didn't realize that the busa handled so poorly on cornering. I myself have never road a busa so will have to take the word of all you. | ||
| Ccryder |
Ryan: He has been known to frequent that area but is from my neck of the woods. Only rider I know to wear full leathers on his scooter too. | ||
| Sknight |
I put 47K miles in on a Busa and now have an 1125R so I guess I'm qualified to answer this one. A Hayabusa handles very well if set up properly. The stock suspension is very capable with a preload and damping adjustment. I've outrun more than a few supersports in the mountains, had more than a few people walk up to me at overlooks asking how I walked off from them on a Busa. I put over 1000 miles a month in the hills before money got tight, so it was practice, knowing the bike like the back of my hand, keeping it dialed and knowing what my limits were. Track time helps immensely and I wish I got more. However....It's apples and oranges. The 1125 is a quantum leap handling wise. I mean you could hurt yourself going from a Busa that you had to muscle around some to the 1125 that is near telepathic. On my ride home I actually crossed the center line on a left hander it turned so easily. They accelerate near equally per the butt dyno but at 100MPH+ the Busa is just overpowering and would walk away. The Busa was more comfortable over a long ride, got better mileage, was far better two up, has better low speed low RPM manners. The 1125 is a better handler, is effortless to ride, is more fun to ride aggressively especially in turns, has an urgent, brutal, aggressive feel that has a no holds barred quality the Busa didn't have. It's different which goes a long way. It boils down to what you like to do, but there's nothing wrong with how a Busa handles. However it is what it is. It's a very capable sport-tourer, not a super sport. | ||
| Moosestang |
I have not ridden one, but have sat on one and see it every day at work. It's a huge bike in comparison. They make it that long for good reason, to keep the front wheel down when it's making 170+hp and 100 ft lbs of torque at the tire (2008andUP). I didn't like the feel of it. | ||
| Nm5150 |
Stay away from him at the strip.Tell him to stay away from you at the track.I rode a '84 GPz1100 for a few years(still have it)and it will spank my 1125R at the strip.It is long and less powerful but will launch and the gearing is better.On the curves it will not carry near as much speed into a curve and you have to wait longer to get back on the gas.The Busa is kind of the same(except for the power)in the chassis department.If you can make him fight your fight you have no worries(assuming he is not one of the Boz Bros,Hayden Bros,etc...) | ||
| Kevin_stevens |
I was much faster around Willow Springs (big track) on my ZX-14 than on an 1125R. Now, that was at a Buell demo day, so there was a lot of familiarity involved; but now that I'm comfortable with my CR and have run it at Laguna Seca.... hmm. I think that the reality for me (an intermediate trackday rider), is that I'm not really faster in the corners on either bike; both are up to my skill level in cornering and handling. And the 1125 is easier to roll on out of the turn. But the 14 is ripping skin off the 1125 all the way down the straights. I would say that for a really *good* rider, (advanced trackday/racer), the 1125 is probably faster on all but the very biggest tracks. For me and other intermediate riders, the 14 is likely faster because of the straight-line speed. For beginners, it may be the Buell again because it's more comfortable and less intimidating. Just my $.02. KeS (Message edited by kevin_stevens on January 07, 2010) | ||
| Geforce |
I have a handful of fellow "co-workers" who ride an assortment of different bikes and each have their own skill set along with it. I have noticed that the majority of people who brandish the "mine's better than yours" tongue either have 0 experience or an honesty ignorance of basic motorcycling fundamentals. In age old technological fashion... typically the longer the wheel base, the more STABLE a motorcycle is at speed. Thus the need for a longer wheelbase for the Hayabusa as it's major feature is large displacement and large power along with streamlined bodywork. Vice versa for a shorter wheel base motorcycle. The shorter "tire span" allows the bike to more easily negotiate corners. The draw back is less stability at higher speeds. Over the years I've read about all sorts of amazing advancements all makers have made to their designs to compensate for each drawback. You can factor a slew of different things in the cornering department with the rake, and fork type, suspension and the frame. I will say this much... I settled a very similar argument with the same type of person by taking him outside to compare the bikes on the side stands as they sat. I started off with strengths that his bike had, and then went to compare them *cornering wise* with the Buell. It made a lot more sense when you see it up close and personal. He even went and test rode one a couple of weeks later and loved it. I didn't however; try to tell him that this bike off the showroom was going to lay waste at the drag strip. And focused on it's true purpose *opinion*...road racing. He could very well be a top notch rider, and I have rode with some very skilled riders on big bikes. What you have to explain to him is that YOU may not out do HIM... but he could certainly outdo his own laptime on an 1125r. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
On most tracks you are far better off having a machine that can make time in every part of the track except the straights versus a bike that can only make up time on the straights...besides it's a hell of a lot more fun too! | ||
| Fast1075 |
Nm5150....NEVER get rid of that GPZ...the '84 was the cream of the crop...it is still a brute of a motorcycle...just don't drag it with a really sticky tire unless it has had the crank welded (if it twisted a crank while it was under warranty, the replacement crank was welded)...I love those old KZ's...I have been very very fast on a few of them  And I have ridden a few "busas" too they are great, but certainly are not razor sharp on the tight stuff....but the title "world's quickest streetbike" belongs to a busa...7.115 at 202 in the quarter....a 500hp turbo nitrous/methanol beast. (it lost some ET because it spun all the way thru with the required DOT approved tire) (Message edited by fast1075 on January 07, 2010) | ||
| Jng1226 |
Most of you guys have drunk waaay too much Koolaid! I'm in love with my 1125R as much as the next guy, but as the saying goes, "it's the Indian, not the arrow". Rossi, Schwantz, etc. on a Ninja 250 vs. any of us on an Aprilia RSV4 still wouldn't be a contest. Seriously, the difference between a Busa and an 1125 (or most sportbikes for that matter) is not so great that an expert rider would not walk away from an average one on any twisty road or track. They could switch bikes and the results would be the same. I've ridden a well-prepared Busa and they are extremely capable handlers. I imagine it would be easy to be prejudiced to the "typical" Busa rider but if you tried to follow a local on one through Deal's Gap it could be a demoralizing experience. Jeff | ||
| 1340busa |
i happen to own an 08 busa and 2 1125 crs. i can tell u that in any acceleration contest the busa will win. if it is a long sweeping corner then the busa will do fine. it is when u try to change directions that the weight of the beast comes into play. the buells do ride wheelies much better tho. and the busa has much better fuel mileage. | ||
| Geforce |
^ Exactly... thus the advantage of the longer wheelbase. I don't think anyone contests the power of the machine or the stability. Good to hear some riders with both realms of experience compare the bikes.  | ||
| Family_buells |
Pshhhh, Forget the 1125R, I could be riding my SV650 and Rossi or Schwantz aren't going to beat me while they are riding a 250 Ninja with less than 30 hp. They are massively talented and I love watching them race, but they aren't gods. On the street, the Busa is a different story. My riding budy and endurance racing teammate regularly rides his clapped-out FJ1200 and spanks guys with modern open class sportbikes without even trying hard. The street is a different game than the track, either way, it is the rider up to a point. (Message edited by family_buells on January 08, 2010) | ||
| Mrbuell |
I own a busa and I do trackdays, My busa is set up very well and even has carbon fiber wheels. There is no way in hell it will out corner my 1125r. But may give it a hand full in a long high speed sweeper.. | ||
| Eboos |
At my home track this year, we had a temporary chicane setup that was a very tight 7 corner setup made of soft barriers while turns 1, 1a and 2 were under construction. I followed a busa through that section a couple of times during one of our trackdays, and I was surprised how well that rider got that bike around that area. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I'm in love with my 1125R as much as the next guy, but as the saying goes, "it's the Indian, not the arrow". Rossi, Schwantz, etc. on a Ninja 250 vs. any of us on an Aprilia RSV4 still wouldn't be a contest. Did you bother to read any of the posts before posting yourself? Pretty much everyone agrees that the rider is an enormous part of the equation. However, the original question is the Busa's ability to corner versus an 1125r. Simply put--the sheer physics involved show the Busa cannot hang with the 1125r in the corners. | ||
| Chessm |
whenever i get an ignoramus bench racer that swears bike A is better than bike B and makes no real evidence to support their claim, also completely ignoring rider skill as being the most important part of the equation, i usually make up some a claim that is just as ludicrous and i try to back up my claim with excuse just as stupid as theirs. ahole: my busa is a better handling bike than your bike. even though ive never ridden your bike, i can tell because one of my friends had a buell back in the 90s that broke down all the time so that means that your bikes sucks. me: oh ya! my 81 CB750C is better handling than your bike. it has the rear shocks from a pugeot 205 rally car so it pulls 3 gs at the skidpad. and i did that with horizontally cut grooves in the tires. what kind of numbers did you get when you tested your busa on the skidpad? huh? what chu got? this usually shuts them up. | ||
| Jules |
The weak point on the 'Busa is more likely to be the brakes than the "handling" they were always a little underpowered compared the the engine output and it really showed on the track... Hell, the Busa wasn't really designed for track riding (although I had great fun riding mine on them LOL) and I was always getting out-braked and out-cornered by CBR600s and the like but unless they'd pulled away by more than a few bike lengths by the time I exited they were easy to haul back in.. There were two differnt design briefs for the Busa and the 1125, I think both of them achieved everything that the designers envisaged. Both are excellent bikes | ||
| Barker |
I would love for this busa fella to meet that particular 9R rider from Tennessee that me and CC know of. Just a little bit of follow the leader @ the dragon. Just to see what a XB9R bike with 1/3 the power could do, much less his new 1125R. Newer model busas have an improved geometry. IRRC 2008+ I have ridden an 08 with light weight mag wheels (lower unsprung weight) and ohlins front and back. It handled alot better than stock. The owner spent about $25,000 extra into the bike, to make it corner better. The busa is a great bike, but if you had the same talented rider ride both bikes back to back @ the track, the 1125 would blow away the busa. IMHO Busa it too heavy and too long to be a cornering weapon. I think it would make a great sport tourer! Kawasaki figured that out with the new connie. (Message edited by barker on January 08, 2010) | ||
| Slaughter |
Geez... WHY OH WHY even bother with this crap day after day, week after week? The answers AND responses are ALWAYS going to be the same  | ||
| Family_buells |
Then don't  |
