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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I changed my 1125R's oil with 40 miles on the bike. (I subscribe to the "change the oil within 20 miles on a new engine--I got the bike with 28 miles on it, and it had 40 miles after I did the break-in runs specified by Motoman.) I changed the filter and drained oil from both drain plugs.

After changing the oil, I ran the bike for about 5 minutes to get the oil circulated. I checked the "updated oil level check" link, and it basically says that the oil can be checked with the bike cold if the bike is held upright, the dipstick is screwed in completely, and then removed.

That same document also says don't add more than 3 quarts of oil to an 1125R. Guess how many quarts of oil I used to fill the engine. Yup, three.

I haven't run the bike any more besides the five minutes after the oil change because it's friggin cold outside (Dear Winter, I hate you.) but I'm wondering what I should do. Do I trust the cold engine oil check procedure that my engine needs more oil, or do I trust the oil change procedure that says don't add more than 3 quarts of oil to the bike?

Thanks!
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S1125r
Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The dipstick is there for a reason. During the cold check procedure mine was always at the very tip of the stick, but was perfect when it was hot.
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Daggar
Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make sure you follow the oil check procedure exactly. If you ran the bike for 5 minutes, then the bike is no longer cold. Also, I believe the manual states that if you add or remove oil you need to do a hot check. I always add 3 quarts and then do a hot check. No problems.
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it an '08 or '09? My '09 won't touch the dipstick (hot or cold check) with 3 quarts. Not until I add another .2 does it get into the range window.

Mike
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Smoke
Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3 qts and roll!
tim
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Xl1200r
Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm the same as Millenium - I take a little over 3 quarts to be about a third of the way up the stick on a cold check.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you put in 3 quarts, you are good to go. Honestly I wouldn't bother checking it, but if you want, go for a nice ride for a few hours and check it when you get back home using the hot check procedure.
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Jdugger
Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3 full quarts would be high on my '09 (it likes 2.7 with a filter change), but 2.8 or so quarts works best with the '08.

To cold check, put the bike on level ground, get it up right, and leave it there for a few hours. Oil should just touch the tip of the stick.
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Tbowdre
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 12:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3 quarts with a cold check and my 2009 1125R is just touching the dipstick.... for the past 1500 miles!
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Kevin_stevens
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know where the oil goes on these damn things. If I do an oil/filter change on my '09, and put three quarts in, it won't even show on the dipstick after running for several minutes and then allowing several to drain and checking with the bike vertical (in a stand).

The next day it'll be right at the full mark when checked warm with the exact same procedure.


I've learned to make sure the oil is in a quart rather than liter container, dump three in, and not even bother looking at it until the next day. Works great so far.

KeS
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Americanmadexb
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just got my R 4 weeks ago and only put 20 miles on it because of weather and have never even touched anything yet. BUT i really don't like the check oil procedure AT ALL.

I want to be able to check it while HOT on the side stand and be true.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not gonna get that Ian.


The "Hot check" NEEDS to be followed exactly for repeatability.

RIDE the bike for at least 10 miles.
The oil runs thru the tranny, so it doesn't work just to let it idle in the garage.

Pull into the garage after the ride and sit on the bike, idling for 2 minutes.
Shut the motor off and stay sitting upright for another 2 minutes.
Reach down with your right hand and unscrew the dipstick, wipe, insert, remove, read.

Results will be repeatable.

Cold check can be used IF the bike has sat for 4 or MORE HOURS.
The oil should just touch the bottom of the stick.

Zack
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Dtx
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Zac,

That is exactly what I do too. Check it while still sitting on the bike (after a long ride). It works well.
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I tend to trust Zac, so I'm wondering if I have a bit too much in mine now. With 3 exactly, it didn't touch the stick. I added about .2 (or maybe even .3) to get it into the range window on a cold check. My gut tells me it will be touching the over-full mark on a hot check. If so, does it matter if I drain a bit with either the right or left plug ... Any firm reason (other than mess) to choose one over the other?

Mike
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Hdwrenchtx
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could use a turkey baster or something similar to suck it out from where the dipstick is
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If that's possible, I have a tiny pump that would do the job. Why oh why does it have to be 9 degrees (F) outside ... What I wouldn't give to do a proper "after 100 miles of spirited riding" hot check!

Mike

(Message edited by milleniumx1 on January 02, 2010)
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Porky
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When are we going to get "AL BORES" global warming (Liar) bring it on, it's 8 degrees in Missouri and my CR is impatient!

Sam
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine loves it : )



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Redbuelljunkie
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One could warm the engine and transmission if the bike were on a rear stand (hypothetically, of course- this would be deemed unsafe, not kosher, and strictly verboten by the Legal Dept.). With the rear wheel off the ground the transmission can be engaged and all gears can be run through. This is also a good way to heat, and remove excess oil from a drive chain (on bikes that use chains). Again- this is strictly hypothetical and not recommended.
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guys, I actually didn't check my 1125R's oil until the following morning, so it was definitely cold. (For what it's worth, it's an '08.) All I did the night before was fill it with oil and let it run for five minutes, and then shut it off and come back the following morning.

From what I understand by reading the hot check and cold check procedures, the oil level should read accurately either way. So if I do a hot check after 10 miles of riding, 2 minutes of idling, and then letting it sit for several minutes, I should get the same reading as if I check the dipstick with the bike not having run for a day or more.

Also, my bike is completely upright during the check procedure. It's sitting on a lift with the rear wheel clamped in a "vise" and both tires level on the ground.

I will probably wait until the weather warms up and then do a hot check. I figure with three quarts in the bike, there's no chance of me hurting it due to too much or too little oil regardless of what the dipstick says.
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