| Author | Message | ||
     Xoptimizedrsx |
the beauty of open source. open the data scale in the eeprom files and the sheet works again. all you do is verify the cell locations. The pattern will stay the same just the row number may change in some units. you just rename the number. which does not effect the code to flip the values from hex2dec or dec2hex. very simple to do. the sheet will have an instructional page on how to update it to your ecm. in due time everyone out there with excel knowledge will eventually have a sheet for the bike and ecm firmware. If you have a warranty and want to keep it dont use any tuner on the ecm. the electronics and engine will be void. no matter who does it besides authorized harley dealers and mech's. I do have harley listed in my school degree. At least I went to school to get a motorcycle degree before I started doing things. geek in training but with a degree on bikes harley, suzuki, kawasaki, honda, bombarder and ect was covered in school 4.0 gpa. I also have dana, spicer, american axel manufacturing, meritor (rockwell), and just about every cert you can get in the Drive line Industry from light to heavy vehicles. I have Doosan and Ingersolrand degrees for complete On Board Power Equipment. from air to hydraulics, even electrical from ac to dc power as well as jump starters and welders. all built into the frame on the truck, car, or semi. ecm authorization for Cat, Ford, and mac to input my wires and tell the system what to do with the powertake off and ect. which is all done with a PC unit. when The dealer had you broken car/truck many times and called in the person to do the repair on the driveline because they needed help that is where I come in to help. thats what I did for a long time. | ||
| Cafefun |
So with this free software I have to spend hundreds of dollars on a local dyno where the guy don't have the first clue on how to tune a bike in the first place? or I have to spend hundreds on a data logger and try to tune it myself and spend countless hours trying to get it right? seems pretty dumb to me. I will stick with my tune I payed for that came with some of the best customer service I have ever had. and my tune came from ohio and works great in Iowa by the way. | ||
| Reducati |
ok, i have an s1, dont know squat about this tuning ecm/ flash stuff...my ? is i picked up an 09 cr...love it..no problems, i want to put on an fmf pipe...as im not going on the track, i just would like to hear the v twin, and also would like the cell phone teens/ moms, seniors, ect to know im on my bike. if i put the fmf pipe on, can i just bring the bike to my trusted h.d. ( yes, they are good) and they can mess with the ecm, or do i just put the pipe on, as i really aint worried about losing a little mid range or a pony here and there. hope this make sense. thanks | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
oyu guys know who you are. who used me to help teach. by live wire from my pc to yours. anyone can use myivo.com get myivo from there its free. then you can show anyone how to do things while on the phone. I was warned by a few guys I was getting used. sad it was true. dont put the blame on me. I am offering only spreed sheet info . on tuning I have my own dyno people already know that. I was dyno testing for ecmspy before you ever knew it. making a map on a built up bike there and selling it as a finale product to someone else somewhere else is just wrong. that map is not anything but a mismatch. put bikes back to back on a dyno. the maps are different on every bike. The best you can do is a starter map. I have hundreds or hours on the dyno On buells I have years doing them. why would i want a map from there when its not correct except only on the bike its made on. didnt you see that has been proven already. we built two engines alike. back to back. same ecm same bike. both engines are asking for different values but yielded the same hp/tq. map 1 in engine 2 was a flop. lost 10 hp avg up top.it ran way rich. wonder why we won many races on a stock buell with a race pipe. they dyno tune is second best to real road work anyway. everyone knows that also. the dyno is just a tool. just as you guys and your circle. you got called out and got caught using me. who do you think put those red celled values into that chart in reich1 that came from me. data not in the other sheets. my data have fun with it there is more to come. pretty much everything ecmspy does will be in the sheets we have. plus a few more tricks not in ecmspy. something free and a few people get pissed. funny part is its not released yet and your already mad. geesh. our goal is to one day make something that works like this for the track. http://bazzazperformance.com/ every racer knows dyno tunes are close but track tunes are best. you guys are in the past. catch up or go home. there is a whole big world to play in. i was playing in these ecms before you guys was. hopefully ecmspy releases there new stuff listed on there website and turn heads. it the original ecmspy was open source the current bikes data would already have been there. time will tell.. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
http://www.bazzazperformance.com/downloads/ZFI-Map per.zip http://www.bazzazperformance.com/index.php?option= com_content&task=view&id=21 The other bikes out there run this. Our goal is to one day make something that works like this for the track, made for buells. http://bazzazperformance.com/ | ||
| Slypiranna |
Damn, all those degrees are sure impressive...a lesson in communicating in the english language might also help... It's funny how the manufactures generally have only one map once a vehicle is released to the population, given the country/state destined. Updated flashes are the result of the art of continued development and TUNING! Safe for said powerplant and EPA legal. Feedback enabled or disabled...a good base map will get you where your going. Race tuning is a completely different animal altogether that requires dyno/track/feedback in order to be advantageous...not to mention the guru turning the screws...or in this case, altering data. Pushing the edge in all areas to the design limits. Freakin' rocket science baby...and I question how many will totally frig' their bike up. I can't wait to see who handles the tech support for this "free" product. It will be entertaining to see the threads in the future...fo' sure. Why Blake allows this $hit to be public is beyond me given the history herein. Oh wait, it's because of Xb9. Never mind... | ||
| Cafefun |
All I will say is the tune in my bike feels spot on with a gain in hp, no loss at all and was worth every penny I spent on it. I have a track map in my zx 14 made by someone else in another state on another bike and it's right on as well. my buddys run the same guys tune in there Busa's and theres 5 of them and they all run the same time and mph. bikes are pretty damn close out of the factory. untill a month ago I knew very little about tuning the Buell. but after some research and talk I went with my tune and damn glad I did. Like I say in my case I don't have access to a good dyno operator so free software is worthless to me. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Slypiranna, In regards to the single factory tune, do you think this still applies with the AFV's locked and the O2 sensors disabled? I don't know much about all of this, but wouldn't the ECM be adjusting the AFVs to compensate for the individual differences in bikes and locations? If a tune has those locked, wouldn't that eliminate that? Again, I am fresh to the whole EFI thing...school me. ac | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
The english class is next semester. Oem also has a lot more sensors. that fields the return data for automatically correcting fueling. the buell lets seel it has three from 2003 to 2007 and a weak ones at that. the newer bikes got a few more. much better at automatically fielding the data. you would be surprised on how much the actual base map is off depending on location on a car/truck. Thats what the sensors are for and the sophisticated ecu does. If our bikes had that technology none of this would of ever even began in the first place. We are making the complete spreed sheets for all access. copy ours once we get done if you like its open source. Out of the whole ecm full of data The Other Spreed sheets only give you 24 cells of changeable data besides the fuel and timing page. If I recall correctly. no open and closed loop features. no o2 values, no servo controls, no solenoid control, no woy fuel correction value, no closed or open loop fuel value, no fuel cut offs on decel, no injector % values, no way to control the rpm values in the maps, ect,ect. keep your basics. race guys with no budget will like the advanced sheets. they actually get control of the ecm them. we are talking racing sheets. real data. These will be advanced sheets. some will like them some will not. They are advanced sheets. above and beyond. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
locking the afv and closing off the O2 = Disastrous. you loose all correction. In FI you need correction period for street/track use on a daily basis. why does all major brands have sensors on them. all drag cars nascar and ect. Its data and correction. It's a very cheap shortcut to getting power to show up on a dyno. a pretty cheesy very old school trick. which ends up bighting you in the butt in the end. you should only do these steps to set the ecms tables to a scale then allow the items to work. If you shut off the o2 and/or lock the afv the IAT and Temp Sensor is now running off scale. It too has values applied to it. move one effect the other. Thats why need sheets are needed you need full control to do it correctly. If you dont understand what you are messing with ask someone and get help. plenty free help out there to find the truth on whats working and not working. http://www.efi101.com/forum/ go there to learn the truth. dont get skinned!! | ||
| Fmaxwell |
I want a box (microcontroller/computer/data logger) that I plug in and ride around with. I want the box to come up with a new fuel/spark map that I download to the bike. I want the box to either be a rental that shares the data with the "home base" once returned or I want it to have the ability to share data via a network connection. The data could then be analyzed to come up with a better base map from which everyone could start. Or it could be used to indicate that there is a problem with my bike, causing me to get an e-mail saying 'hey, it looks like your O2 sensor is f***ed' or 'you need to reset your TPS'. I know that's vague and some of my worst writing, but I'm tired and hoping that people can make the same leaps I did in skipping over the details. | ||
| Cafefun |
Drag cars and nascar? nascars are carbs, most drag cars also do not use injection. and out of my last 10 or so bikes the pwr commander disables the o2 and locks the air/ fuel ratio to what ever the map is. don't see a problem with that. but I don't claim to know much | ||
| Velocity |
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| 1_mike |
Geeze...I find this amazing. Here is a guy that's attempting to help out Buell owners...and all you can do is give him shit... While I agree that the way he is doing it puts a lot of the tuning burdon...on the owner... At least it's a starting point for those that can..do-it-youself tuning that aren't scared away from it. I refuse to pay two or three times (or more) to someone for updates to his program. That leaves me with doing the whole thing myself. NOT that big a deal....it's a good way to learn...! I feel for the people that have the "do it for me" attitude. Well, some may truly not be capible...but I gotta say, if I can learn it...most anyone can that has a clue what tuning an engine is about. Makes NO difference what kind of engine. They all work under the same principle...air/fuel in, burnt mixture out. When you change something in the fuelin/out system, the whole system need new attension...period. Just the way it is. Funny thing this tuning....once you realize...if you screw up...don't drive the thing into the ground...go back to the original mapping...and simply start over. It ain't heart surgery...folks. And as for his on screen writing...get a life. I do have a bit of a hard time with the current American schooling...and what it isn't doing. Read ANY web site enough and you'll see this or even worse. Don't attack the man. If you have a problem...do it personally (PM's...!). And as many don't seem to understand...one map will not work for everyone. Just read the many boards...MOST/many feel that red hot headers or the dead butt (not felt..but it's there) surging is the way the "finely tuned Buell" is SUPPOSED to run...!?! As I said before...hats off to you Mike for attempting this. Mike | ||
| T_man |
For what its worth, this is my Eprom experience; Firstly I don't have the O.S.B software & nor could I use it if I did because I am stuck with an old flash. I have however done some elementary tuning via changing cell values in my Eprom. My bike was running 'alright' before I made any changes. It ran fairly hot and surged in the 3-4k range. The first thing I did was lock the AFV's about 10% higher. Straight away it ran cooler and surged a little less. Next thing I did was to disable the 02's. The bike ran much smoother everywhere. Lastly I richened up the map for 3-4k range. The surging stopped all together. I haven't had my bike on a dyno, nor do I claim to be some sort of tuning guru - but I can say with full confidence making those changes DEFINITELY made my bike run better. here is a LOT of useful info on the net concerning tuning the 1125 if you know where to look. In my opinion O.S.B offers a desirable product (the Perf flash) and I would probably buy it if I could, but for those who want (or have) to put in the work themselves - these free sheets would be very beneficial. Just my 2 cents. | ||
| Bettybuell |
It's true that cars have more sensors to calculate fuel and timing, MAP, MAF, ECT, IAT, CMP, CKP, TPS, O2, and now wide band O2. They modify long term and short term fuel trim based on feedback. If you put a different exhaust, most cars run poorly until they relearn. In fact, just disconnecting the battery makes many cars run and shift poorly until they relearn. To think that a static map works for any bike under all conditions is misguided. It may run OK, but the only way to make it run best is to modify the place the feedback loop takes the map to. Then things like altitude and temperature (air density) will be compensated for and the best map will be achieved. Think about the new Yamaha YZ 450 with fuel injection. It comes right from the factory with the provision for the rider to go into the fuel injection and modify the map. Just like jetting a carb. And it has an O2 sensor. Why do they do this? Because they can (off road, no EPA) and because it is best for max performance under all conditions for a race bike. So, I kind of like the idea of having the ability to play with the map and keep all the sensors intact. Remember, RPM , TPS and IAT tell the computer what to do, the O2 lets it know if it got it right and tweak it if not. | ||
| Slypiranna |
Further proof of the true mindset that post herein... God love ya all! Have a wonderful, safe and Happy Thanksgiving! Even the one's that don't deserve it! LOL! What a unique group of mixed mindset...mm still wishes you well, just the same. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
You have a good one too sly!!!! Thank you guys for posting a better way in better written words. I have always been the shadows guy. what that is the one who does the work explains it to the speaker in detail. then i go over how to use it. The second person then writes the directions in an understandable way. the all ways acknowledge my work and give credit for the design process and ect to me and the team if there is/was one. this is then sent to a print and script person who corrects it further. i proof it. to see if its what I ment.(LOL) from there I move to my next adventure. Fuel map page done on 1125r california. timing to go. then a sample release will be out. the complete other maps page is a pain in the but making the formulas. this gets some of you going asap. Happy Turkey Day early!!!! Everyone maybe I can have this done for Christmas for ALL..... An xopti Christmas present!! I'll need a person to post this for the badweb as a direct link if they can. even though Its free. All updates and new ecms will be posted ASAP. | ||
| T_man |
Mike will you be making a sheet for the absolute original flash 2008 1125R; BUEWD0J6 from 11-06-07? I would be eternally grateful if you did! | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
The sheets will eventually be for any bike. they are Open source. so anyone can add to. they will come with instruction on how to modify. once formulas are all in place all you will do is change cell values in most locations. By making the Sheets Open source with simple coding for everything. There is no need to buy an expensive excel package. these sheets will be converted to open office. once the sheets are done they will be made into a visual basic file. that works and will look like Ecmspy. At first it will not talk with the bike. Open source files allow the public to add to and make changes. adding every ecm as fast as possible and sharing to a source to upload to the server. It also allows all the file to be ready for the VB program. Ecmspy has the way to communicate with the bike listed. all you have to do is learn the script and add in all the million datas. Their is about six poeple I know of on buells that use c++ and VB on here. they dont know the locations to apply the data. with the open source of data you will be able to if you write programs to write your own to share. with the open source code on how the ecm talks. Its a win win situation for all. The Only way I know how to give back. All ecms will be done in due time. mike | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
fall classes are over all finals are taken. whew glad that section is over. I will be working on this a lot over the next couple weeks trying to get version on done as far as I can so it can be posted to the web for everyone to have and start adding the other ecm versions to it. updating to new flash codes will be easy if you understand excel or open office. if not I am sure someone will add to the compile for each flash version. over time everyone will be done. as I get more pages done I will update the upload on the website. give me a couple more weeks and version one will be out. mike | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Any update on this project? I'm interested! | ||
| Froggy |
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| Moosestang |
This is all for nothing. Erik buell racing is going to release a race ecm for $399 that has a kick ass tune all ready installed. You won't have to worry about EPA making your bike run like shit at cruise because it's for "race use only!" I'm of course just being optimistic, but i'm sure they will offer something and it most likely will be around the same price of the past race ecms. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
The question is, if EBR releases a race ECM with a tune, will it still use the O2 sensors? | ||
| Chadhargis |
It should use the O2 sensors. If it doesn't, then what would tell the ECM if the mixture is correct or not? The sweet thing about fuel injection is that it takes air temp (density) into account and monitors combustion gasses to continually tweak the mixture to achieve a desired ratio. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Chad, the reason I ask is because "that guy's" tune supposedly disables the O2 sensors and hard locks the AFVs. (I haven't personally verified that, but that's what I've read.) Also, I am not sure if O2 sensors would remain in use on a race bike--on one hand, they're an emissions control device as they help keep the engine from running too rich or too lean and polluting too much, but on the other hand, they can be used to optimize the air/fuel ratio for maximum power. Do racers want to configure a tune and have it remain static, or do they want it to be adjusted while the bike is being ridden? I personally like the concept of using O2 sensors for both the optimum air/fuel mixture as well as optimum power. I'd prefer them to remain in use if I was going to use a "race" ECM. | ||
| Zac4mac |
My O2 sensors are turned off, I manually set my AFVs My understanding is that's all the O2s do, is change the AFV, along with input from the Baros. The ECM is set for an A/F ratio on the lean side. If you "tune" your bike, and the O2s are enabled, you will get a new AFV that counters your efforts. Please correct my assumptions if wrong... Zack | ||
| D_adams |
Ok, that begs the question, why not force the ECM to adjust it to run at 14:1 instead of 17:1? Surely there's a cell to change that value? Tune the map to take care of the known deficiencies, then tell the ECM to run at the correct ratio, rather than run lean. Even if you only changed that one cell to make the ECM run at 14:1, it would make more power, since that's pretty much the same thing as locking the AFV's at a specific value. Ideally, there would be different cell values to put in, so as to make it run at different ratios. 13:1 for max power, 14:1 for more, 15:1 for some efficiency, etc. This would also stop the AFV's from changing on their own so much, or going to extreme ranges, like 120 front/100 rear. As I understand that particular part though, it indicates something is not right with one cylinder. I know if they spread too far apart, you'll get an error, I just don't remember what it is. I guess I'll need to start playing with tuning next spring. I know it's not easy, or everyone would be doing it. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
To all, and purely FWIW... It is un-****ing-believable how much better these things run with a well executed tune. However you do it, Do It. It's like getting a whole new bike. I (from a great personal experience) would recommend the tuner-which-shall-not-be-named, but however you do it, it is worth the trouble. Rob |
