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Tbird71
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe I'm nitpicking, but shouldn't the dealer discount a little more on his demos? The one I found has almost 100 miles on it, he said was a "test rider"...I dont know about you guys, but if I'm paying "new" money I'm thinkin I want a zero mile bike. Aren't those first miles pretty important? And....should he be expected to come off another 300-500 vs the price of a brand new one? I know all dealers can do what they want, but pretend it was you...would you keep looking, or just buy the "demo"?
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99buellx1
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would expect some compensation for the bike being a test dummy.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bought mine new and the mileage was very important.
I rode it 10' in the service bay so I could "ride it first" then the tech took it out for the PDI "test ride".

Ask them to throw in a light jacket or something, not worth 3-500 IMO.
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree - Bikes that have been test ridden should be discounted a reasonable amount. My choice (white/blue '09R) came down to a few hundred dollars difference ($300-400), the amount the dealer was willing to discount the floor model versus the same bike still in the crate. The floor model only had 24 miles on it best I can recall, but I opted for the completely new one.

Mike
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Carbonbigfoot
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If he's got the room to move... he may be on the floor of what he owns them for.

Ask what he can do for you. 3-500 for 100 miles is a bit... Industry standard in cars is about .15-.20 per mile...

Good luck!

R
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Ccryder
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heck 0-10 miles is new. 10+ miles is a demo bike and should be discounted.

(BTW, Zac is pulling your leg, he pushed his the 1st 10'!)

Anyway, some miles are required after the PDI to make sure all is right with the world.

later
Neil S.
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99buellx1
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

in the service bay so I could "ride it first"




Except for the guy at the Buell factory that rode it on the dyno.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got a feeling you need to sit on the frame before its delivered to Buell to be the "first" : )
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Lastonetherebuys
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

from my experiance the dealer should knock off a bit for it being a demo. my r was a demo that was the service mannagers toy for a couple months and it had 1500 km on it they took 30 cents per km off and that was just dealer policy i don't think there is a number set in stone as to how much they have to discount it if at all. all you can do is try and bring it up when your hashing out a deal whats the worst they can say if u low ball their price "No"?
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Socalmoe
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am a stickler for new. I have had bad luck w/ purchasing used, demos, etc. Unless a nice discount can be had I always go for new.
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Darkitekt
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My "new" R had been test ridden and had 105 miles on it. It also had the lower fairing kit and the recalls done on it.

In any case, I did get a reasonable deal on it and the bike is perfect. I just hit the 1000 kilometer mark a day earlier than I would have had it only had 10 miles on it.

Shouldn't matter with the miles and you can always make the attempt to negotiate something in return (like the lower fairing kit).

; )
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Xnoahx
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are pleny of bikes out there, just find another dealer. ; )
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine was A demo. 300 miles on it I think. One could assume the proper break in wasn't done. I have no idea how bad or good that is...But 10k miles now and no real problems
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Lostsumwhere
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would ask for them to do my first service no charge since you didn't get to break in the bike properly
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I bought my Uly it had .7 miles on it in the show room. I took it for a test ride with the sales guy. Came back and it had 10.4 miles on it.

When walking back to the finance office the sales manager told me about the miles when he looked at the sales sheet. He stopped, looked at me and asked if that was alright. Knowing what he meant, I said no. As he turned to go back to get the sales guy, I told him maybe it was OK, since I put them on it!
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Aeholton
Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bought my dealer's demo bike. It had 342 miles on it. I paid $5128.18 OTD. At the time he also had a freshly uncrated bike for $5878. I didn't think the 342 miles was worth $750.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IF "brand new" bothers you that much pay the 500.00 or what ever... i mean you are buying a 12k bike for less than half price... how much more discount do you need?

I think some of us forget the original sales price on these bikes....

Me personally i would buy the demo... its under warranty, and break in, ehh its been ridden, any issues would have been fixed since it was the demo bike. This whole obsession with "proper" break in and yadda yadda yadda..... Whatever IMO.... get the bike and have a blast on it...
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Blackflash
Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine had 180 on it when I purchased her.98 on it .Then i rode it twice after that and rang up some miles.I cant even believe that they let me put that many miles on it .But it sealed the deal for them.I had them drop 500.00 off the price because it was a demo.
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Bob_saggot
Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine had like 80 miles on it I think. But who cares I paid 6G OTD for a 12G bike. You still have warranty if there's any problems. And it's not like I can go "fine I won't take it I want a diff one. The dealers around here sold them like hot cakes if you don't buy it they will just sell it to the other 5 guys in line for it.

(Message edited by bob_saggot on December 19, 2009)
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Romano
Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bikes are run in before we get them anyway. Machining finishes are so fine nowadays that twice around the block and the job is done. If you baby the bike and lugg the motor is the worse thing you can do. Here in Australia now the panic is over people are willing to pay what ever so as not too miss out on one of these fine machines....all gone!!
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Mndwgz
Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Local stealership sold a Demo CR with close to 4000 miles on it. When I asked what they wanted for it they gave me a price of $300 under a new one because it had the high bars installed... Yea right, no thanks.
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I hadn't have had the choice of a new in crate white/blue '09R, it wouldn't have bothered me to take the one with 24 miles on it. It wouldn't have bothered me if it had a couple of hundred, provided it was discounted.

But yes, paying $6K for a bike that once sold for twice that ... Pretty decent incentive. It made a buyer out of me, as I was ready to spend high 10's to 11K. Mndwgz - $300 off for 4,000 miles?! Were those high bars gold plated?

Mike
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Buellsrule
Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, you're nitpicking for sure.
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Jaimec
Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Definitely. You've all ridden demo bikes, I assume? How "gentle" were you with it? And most likely the bike had less than 600 miles so it wasn't even broken in yet.

Even if you rode it the way you're "supposed" to ride an unbroken-in engine, what're the odds the other dozen or so people who rode it did as well?

Also one of the reasons I've never purchased a "used" vehicle. As Fox Mulder once said: "Trust no one."
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Justa4banger
Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea well back in the day break in procedures were more crucial.. nowadays, its not so important... tolerances are tighter and all machinery today is run in to ensure it works...

I remember back in 2004 when VW FINALLY released the R32 GTI in the US... Owners were pissed because their brand new cars had between 80-100 miles on them off the truck... it created enough issue i believe VW released a noticed stating the cars were broke in at the factory and test driven to ensure no faults... So who says the assembly line worker didn't dog the crap out of the car for 80 miles....?

My point is... people are acting like they are buying a 6k bike and nitpicking demo models... remember folks, this is a 12k bike that your getting half price... how much more discount do you need...

I wish our Gov't was as picky about spending cash as some of our web board members... hell we would never have a deficit.... : D
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