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Jotrevza
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 04:08 pm: | 
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Hey fellow 11's
After reading all of this, which, has been interesting to say the least, I'm getting the distinct impression that Tim (Smoke) likes the "K.I.S.S" principle.
I'm a big fan of that concept too Tim!
So, I'm Keeping It Simple Smoke......
Tracy |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 04:11 pm: |
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I ran the bike for maybe 3 minutes to circulate the oil, shut it down and let it sit. Several hours later,while holding it as level as possible, it just touched the bottom of the dipstick.
This is the cold check method. You were probably ok with the oil just touching the bottom of the stick.
I stick to my opinion that there is a SIGNIFICANT difference in the indicated oil levels during a hot check and cold check. With proper oil in the engine, the hot check should give you an oil level somewhere between min and max. Same oil amount during a cold check will give you a reading between the very bottom of the stick and the min mark. |
Palerider
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 08:05 am: |
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"I stick to my opinion that there is a SIGNIFICANT difference in the indicated oil levels during a hot check and cold check. With proper oil in the engine, the hot check should give you an oil level somewhere between min and max. Same oil amount during a cold check will give you a reading between the very bottom of the stick and the min mark."
You may be correct in your opinion Fresnobuell,but if that's the case they should have one side of the stick for cold, the other for hot checks.
According to Buell Supplement B-070, the engine oil supplement,cold check level is acceptable if indicated oil level is between min. and max. lines. After performing the 7 steps for the hot check it states an indicated oil level between min. and max. marks is acceptable for engine operation.
Also, in the supplement after it explains the cold check method(which by,Buell,is an acceptable method)it states in the hot check section that readings taken with colder oil could lead to an overfull engine condition.
I'm sorry I don't mean to beat a dead horse but, it is this ambiguity and contradictions that raise these types of questions. And I certainly am not saying anyone's methods or ideas are wrong. I rode the bike yesterday and checked the level this morning after it sat all night and it is at the max. mark.
I'm no mechanic or expert but,I've changed my own oil(for the most part) since I was 17, and unless I had a brain fart I've yet to overfill anything doing it the way I've always done. |
Jpfive
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 08:46 am: |
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Sitting six minutes on this hot bike in Florida is a bit of a chore. I choose to believe the February bulletin and the new service manual also. I check mine cold.
Thanks for the post, Pale...
Jack |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 12:24 pm: |
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it is this ambiguity and contradictions that raise these types of questions.
+1 on that...even if there was a little statement, like "Cold check will produce a slightly lower reading than hot check, but both should register between the Min and Max on the dipstick.", it would eliminate the questions. I have noticed that they are generally getting better at this in the 1125r manual vs. the 2006 XB manual that I own. |
White79bu
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 02:28 pm: |
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Ok, I just loaded the bike on the trailer(first track day tommorrow with the 1125r) and decided to check the oil again. The bike ran for just a few minutes while getting ready to load it. So I got it loaded and then loaded the truck and messed around in the garage. The bike was strapped down so it was straight and the trailer was pretty level. The dipstick showed nothing. I checked it several times and got the same reading. So I decided to call the service department and the dealership where I bought the bike. I got a hold of the Service Manager I think. He seemed to know his stuff. He seemed to be pretty upset with the oil checking process. He claims they have to do the same thing that the manual says. He asked if the trailer was level. Which it was pretty level. He told me to put a jack under the trailer and get a level to make sure the bike was perfectly level. So the jack is under the trailer and it is perfectly level. So now I am going to wait a while and then check it.
I ended up putting a few more ounces of oil in it because because I miss calculated yesterday. I think I only had 2qts 22oz, now it is dead on 2qts 26oz.
This is 100% pure BS. Plus I hate waiting. I have a feeling that during the track day I am going to be worried about the flipin oil level and not enjoying the day. |
Dentguy
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 03:10 pm: |
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I heard a rumor that Buell will soon be offering a genuine Buell level with oil changing/checking procedures engraved on the sides. It does not specify which version of the procedure it comes with and will not be including any free time to add into your day to perform the procedure. It will include adapters for use on your trailer, garage floor, basement, driveway or wherever you may have your bike parked. As a bonus gift you will also receive 2 small 3" stick-on bubble levels similar to the ones used on travel trailer to mount on your bike, but they will have to be installed and calibrated by a factory trained dealer (for a small fee).
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Smoke
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 03:16 pm: |
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y'all are gettin pretty ridiculous on this!
tim |
Palerider
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 03:28 pm: |
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Dentguy,
I was just going to mention that they should include a level in the tool kit, but I think you said it waay much better than I could have! |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 09:44 pm: |
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++ Tim |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 09:58 pm: |
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Hmm, y'all got spoiled when Momma was fixing your bottle. If you hold the "nipple" end down you got milk. Otherwise you sucked air and got a pain in the belly.
If you don't want to follow the directions, don't but, it's your engine that may suffer.
Every process has a procedure. I run in to it every day at work. Some "Associate" doesn't follow the instructions and guess what??? Things don't go right. Follow the instructions and all is right with the world.
Time for some ICE COLD watermelon. |
Palerider
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 05:37 am: |
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"If you don't want to follow the directions, don't but, it's your engine that may suffer."
"Every process has a procedure. I run in to it every day at work. Some "Associate" doesn't follow the instructions and guess what??? Things don't go right. Follow the instructions and all is right with the world."
Ccryder,
I don"t think most of us were trying to say don't follow the directions. We were just asking for clear and concise directions. My bike was delivered with oil over the overfill line. Obviously someone at HD couldn't get it right either. If there's one there must be others. Maybe he misread the dipstick, maybe he misunderstood the check procedure. It's clear some of the guys here have had issues. A lot of you complained about the FI,myself included. Hey, the factory put out the product and it should be correct, but we all questioned everything we thought was wrong with the bike.
All I'm saying is, it shouldn't be as much work to check the oil as it is to change it. And everyone should be seeing the same thing when they check it. And you should be able to see it within the operating range on the dipstick, not some abstract barely on the stick type reading.
In a perfect world we'd all follow instructions and the bike would come from the factory with no problems at all. Checking the oil shouldn't take a whole page of instructions. It should be rider friendly, make it a pleasure to ride the machine ,not a chore.
In a perfect world instructions are followed and everything works great. Enjoy your watermelon. |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 06:36 am: |
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Yep it would be nice if the Dealer could follow directions. Fortunately most of us can.
I guess Buells are just a little more complicated than other bikes when it comes to oil checking (except for my Honda ST1300 which is just as complicated and harder to check).
Time2work (I've got instructions to update this AM) |
Pwillikers
| | Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 06:00 pm: |
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2009 CR, build date Jan 09. First oil change (including filter).
The drained oil looked normal. It didn't appear "milky" as some have reported. There was a metal slurry on the drain plug magnet which was easily cleaned off.
For refill, I carefully measured out 2.7 quarts of oil. After adding and checking, the dipstick read dry. I incrementally added another .5 quart, doing the full hot oil checking process as I added oil, and now, with 3.2 quarts, the level is on the "full" line of the dipstick. |
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