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Road_Thing
Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rick: I've got two words for you:

Heli Coil

Simple, cheap job. Don't beat yourself up over misreading the SM, just fix it & ride it!

r-t
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heli coil rules!! I did an (nearly) entire Norton Commando, just toss rags on the internals to keep the chips out, and take your time.
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Fnrage
Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Tom,

Looks like I'll be back to riding soon.

Rick
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Rdefonce
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey all, I've seen a lot of emails on removal of the primary pulleys. I ended up getting the locking bar that the manual shows. It worked great.

My bike was stuck in 5th gear . . . I thought I bent a shifting fork. It ended up that a plastic piece of the junky stock (on my '98 S1) primary chain tensioner broke off and lodged between the clutch drum and shifting mechanism. I was lucky!

If you've got a old-style one, replace it before 10k miles, or it'll probably hose something up.:-(
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Rdefonce
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Deep11sh,

I've found that the hot setup regarding a primary chain tensioner is a Harley part, P/N 33975-90A. I've also got a '98 S1. It had the old tensioner, which shed a piece of plastic off the tensioner block . . . NOT the hot setup.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rdefonce,
I believe that is a Buell part number. It's listed at the top of the page. :)
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Rdefonce
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, I ordered mine from the Harley dealer, who said it's the stock tensioner for newer model Sportsters.
Ron
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Rick_A
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rdefonce, you have the factory tool? Where'd you get it?
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Blake
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 03:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good info. Thanks.
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Rdefonce
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rick,

I got it from Harley-Davidson/Buell Cycle Center in Iowa (319-235-6505) It's made by JIMS (see address below), part number DS-198635. It wasn't cheap (about $30), but it's the hot setup!

I learned the hard way to be specific on which tool to use. First the shop sent me the plastic ramp tool that jams between the primary sprocket and chain . . . it broke! That was an expensive lesson.:-( The tool I mentioned above is better, and cheaper than the one that broke!!!!! You may be able to get it directly from JIMS, 555 Dawson Drive, Camarillo, CA 93012.
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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cool, thanks. I asked a dealer about getting factory tools once...they basically said no way, there's other places to get similar tools.

(Message edited by rick_a on April 27, 2003)
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Jim_witt
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ron,

Just curious, is this it via Zippers?

#758-218 Prim lock bar 5spd xl/buell $19.95

JIMS Primary Lock Bar

-JW:
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Rdefonce
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

James,

Your pix of the bottom tool looks just like the one I bought . . . a short/stubby thing that worked perfect! I didn't know about the Zippers website; thanks for the info.

BTW, your silver RR1200 is sweet! Tell me your secret . . how are you able to retire before 53 years old? I'm "only" 45 now, but I'll be working for another 15-20 years.:-(

I'm not too concerned, though, I believe in having fun (and having multiple bikes) in the here and now, despite having to work full time!
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Jim_witt
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ron asked:

...... Tell me your secret ... how are you able to retire before 53 years old ......


Actually it's 54. I'll tell you my secret if you give me your 98 S1.

-JW:>;)

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Rdefonce
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry JW, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush! I wanna keep my old '98 S1!

Your secret's safe for now.;)

Ron
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Henrik
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stripped main shaft nut: good news. A new nut and cleaned up main shaft threads, red loctite and the nut torqued (LHT) to 80 ft. lbs. worked out well. Nut felt solid when torqued.

This may be old news to some, but I'm trying out a Cometic aluminum based gasket with nitrile covering. It's supposed to seal really well, and, if the nitrile doesn't tear, be reusable.

cometic gasket

Also wanted to share pictures how to use 1/4" bolts to aid in getting the primary cover off and on.

primary cover

Long 1/4" bolts with about and inch of threads and the rest smooth. The bolts screw into the primary bolt holes holding the cover and gasket in place, so you can hold the primary chain up off the tensioner and easily slide the cover in place.

Henrik
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Jim_witt
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where did you get the gasket?

-JW:>;)
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Hoser
Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 12:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Henrik :

Pretty cool , this new gasket technology stuff huh ? .A wide variety of materials and applications recently and more being released all the time. Printo seal gaskets w/ a silicone bead are available for XL/Buell primaries and cam gear covers too from James , not to mention the updated stuff from HD some of them being aluminum w/ nitrile coating , aluminum w/ a silicone lip entirely capturing the inside edge , the latter being what is used during manufacture on big twin primary cases. For a while we were able to get those as service parts but for some reason can't any more , the thin aluminum w/ nitrile is what is available to us now as OEM service parts , some gaskets and kits are hard to get from HD from time to time and remain on backorder , which to me indicates further changes to gaskets and kits are coming ( thanks HD ). I can't count the number of times I have had to open up an otherwise healthy engine due to shitty gaskets. Commetic seems to be leading the recent surge in new product technology , James also has some interesting offerings too , like the new valve guide seals , coated metalic base and rocker box gaskets and others .
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Wman
Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Henrick
Try cutting the heads off of thsose bolt. It seemed to make that job eassier to me. Screw in bolt(studs) then just slide eveything on.
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Henrik
Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim: I got it from a local independent shop, who I've been dealing with since my Shovelhead Lowrider. But they sell all the standard Custom Chrome etc. stuff. Aaron mentioned elsewhere that they can get stuff from those catalogs - I'm sure he can help.

Hoser; yeah it's pretty cool how technologies developed for one area is re-applied with success in others. Nitrile is among other things used in surgeons gloves if you need particularly strong/puncture resistant gloves - and now it covers gaskets. Cool.

Wayne - that's a great idea. Then you can slide everything in place one at a time. I always struggle a bit (not much, but still) to keep the two first bolts in place along with the gasket, until I get the first one threaded in.

Henrik
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Aaron
Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We sell Cometic gaskets. Lots of'em. Not sure we have that piece in stock individually, probably have one in a full motor set is all.
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Roadrunr
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK got a new problem. Fixed my oil leak now my Primary is spewing out the vent hose under the tail of my X1. This is a new one to me.. Any ideas????
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Sportyeric
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 04:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't want to be pessimistic. However, tranny oil is ejected if the tranny is filling with engine oil from a leaking crankshaft seal, which might be from a blocked breather, and is a bad thing to have to fix. Hope that's not it. Don't know what else it might be.
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Roadrunr
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 05:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, thats not a good answer. Any other ideas?
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Roadrunr
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 05:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sporty, Are you talking about the intake breather or rocker box breathers? my rockerbox breathers seem to be working fine, at least I am still getting spooge from them.
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roadrunr,
Open up the clutch inspection cover with the bike verticle/level and check the fluid level. Any spooge out the overflow tube is either overflow or else you're doing vertical wheelies and flips.

You might also try blowing low volume air into the tube to clear out any residual oils in it.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roadrunner.... It is pretty easy to overfill the primary, and a little bit goes a long way spread all over the back of the bike.

Should be easy enough to check the primary fluid to look and see if it appears to be contaminated with engine oil to see if Sporty Eric is on the right track.

Does it happen once on a ride, the first time the bike gets really good and warm, or is it pretty much all the time?
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Aaron
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree with Sportyeric, except the part about it being a bad thing to have to fix. It's no big deal.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

RR,

There are a couple of possibilities. You could have a bad crank seal, which isn't all that hard to replace. Have you modified your breather setup recently? Increased crankcase pressure could be forcing engine oil past the seal into the primary.

You could have water in your primary. Humid conditions (such as we have here) exacerbate this condition. I took my clutch inspection cover off last week to change my clutch cable and there was condensation on the inside of the cover. When the tranny fluid gets hot, the water boils out and carries oily steam out the vent. This happened to me once on a trip back from Austin. Got lucky and the oil missed the rear tire. All over the fender though. I think about that every time I see someone without their inner fender. Try changing your tranny fluid. I'll bet that'll cure it.
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Roadrunr
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All I did was have my stealer fix an oil leak. I changed the primary fluid about a month prior but never had a problem with it until now. just for the record.....I have done all my own fluid changes for the past 2 years and had no problems. Thanks for all the info though buellers. I will check the fluid and ride it some more to see if it still does it.
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