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Ohsoslow
| Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:30 am: |
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sport rider finally put the comparo up on their site for those of us that don't get the magazine http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0912_buell_112 5cr_ducati_streetfighter_comparison_test/index.htm l |
Wbrisett
| Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:53 am: |
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Sad isn't it. Buell finally starts getting accolades for it's products in the mainstream press and by respectable reviewers and suddenly the plug is pulled. Wayne |
Vicfirebolt
| Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 08:30 am: |
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The plug is not pulled forever not too mention it's already given birth too EBR Erik Buell racing. Awesome article I seriously wondered how those two bikes would pair up. I want that chin fairing the street-fighter has on my 1125r badly. Thanks for the link that was fun too read. |
Moosestang
| Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 06:58 pm: |
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Did anyone else read their suspension setting suggestions? 4 turns from full stiff for the rear shock rebound? I only have 3.5 turns of adjustment. What do they mean by 14mm showing for the front preload? Where are they measuring that? |
Xtreme6669
| Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 08:56 pm: |
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they mean 14mm of fork height above the triple clamp... they don't actually have a preload setting on that article. If you look in there tech/susp guide on there site you will find 1125 recommended settings that are a bit different than the ones listed in that article. |
Xtreme6669
| Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 08:57 pm: |
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I'm assuming they want the rear rebound fully open because both the article linked and the susp. guide on the site have it at 4 out from full hard? |
Johnnys999
| Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 10:00 pm: |
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I referred to the article in another post and passed on the specs to those who wanted it. The 14mm setting was confusing to me at first, because my digital caliper wasn't nimble enough to measure the height of the forks from the calipers. I looked at it another way. The Ducati's spring preload adjuster is measured at 2mm every turn. They use both Showa and Ohlins. So if you turn it 7 times you get 14mm. Throw in the mix the suggested factory setting of 7 turns from soft if your between 170-230lbs, that reinforces my 7 x 2mm = 14mm. I picked up a better metric ruler and confirmed the height to be 14mm after the above adjustment. The fork preload adjustment is the only one you achieved the suggested setting by turning from soft to hard, all the others are from hard to soft. The 4 out from full hard/stiff for rebound fork damping was also perplexing or WTF? This setting contradicted all of the settings in the manual. The most the manual wanted you to turn out from maximum was 1 1/4, that was for someone under 170 lbs. The least was a 1/2 turn out if you weighed between 270 to max GVWR. I currently have mind set according to Sport Rider and before my next trial ride I'm going to decrease the turns to 1, as the manual suggests. All I can do is evaluate the difference and see how it goes at that setting. To be honest, before I went out on a test ride today, I turned the fork rebound 1/2 turn in because I was experiencing some "wallowing" in the turns at speed. Especially if the bike went over a bump while in the turn. After that small adjustment the bike performed much better, I was surprised how much better. One thing I found interesting in regards to the 1125CR/Streetfighter comparison. Both bikes had Showa rear shocks yet the 1125CR maxed out at 3.5-4 turns out and thats where Sport Rider mag suggested for rebound damping. Whereas they suggested 8 turns out from full stiff for the Streetfighter. The Showa fork on the Streetfighter has more adjustability? Is it a better Showa? Thats one of the reasons why I like Ohlins, more adjustability, but this wasn't an Ohlins, right? Anybody have an answer to this? |
Xtreme6669
| Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 10:40 pm: |
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the base street fighter has showa and the upgrade model has ohlins... plus a bunch of sweet carbon! |
Joseschopshop
| Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 11:03 pm: |
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Pretty good read.I have to disagree on looks,as I think the CR is a looker.There are a lot of neat looking aspects of the bike. |
Swamp2
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 02:16 pm: |
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Although I never really thought the CR was ugly, I could see why it's appearance is controversial. But as time as gone on, I've really come to like it - distinctive, aggreessive (particularly in black), edgey. I think it looks A LOT batter than the Streetfighter, although I will admit to a bias as an owner... |
Gbackus
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 02:28 pm: |
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How the hell is the 1125s gearbox "clunky"(according to the article)? Grand the only ducati i've ridden was a 96 monster, but the gearbox on the 1125 is at least as good if not better than many of the japanese bikes i've ridden, including frequent use of a 2007 R6. |
Carbonbigfoot
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 02:38 pm: |
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Mine got smoother with use. It was a little notchy at first, but NOTHING like the XB. R |
Orman1649
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 03:24 pm: |
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How the hell is the 1125s gearbox "clunky"(according to the article)? They are probably talking about the "slack" in the drivetrain you can feel when letting off or rolling onto the throttle. Some people say their bikes have none others say its noticeable and annoying. Personally, compared to my S1W, I think the 1125 transmision SHIFTS smoother, but I don't notice the "slack" or "clunk" on the S1W like I do on the 1125.} |
Xtreme6669
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 04:56 pm: |
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I love the look of my CR but I think the DUC looks meaner/better.. If I had unlimited funds I'd have one of each! For the money I think the CR is by far a better value! I think the bike dose shift clunky, It's not too bad thou, I also have the slack in the drive line somewhere.... |
Milleniumx1
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 05:07 pm: |
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I would never use the word clunky to describe my '09R trans/shifting. Sure I came off yeras of various H-D big twins, but this one shifts smoother than I would have ever imagined a bike could. Feels like firm butter to me! Mike |
Jjk
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 05:45 pm: |
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For those of you complaining of clunking, I just wonder if you have adjusted the foot pedal for both your foot size and for proper angle so that you are using the natural range of motion for your foot? My CR and another I rode have shifted beautifully, as good or better than most bikes I've ever ridden (including most every Japanese sportbike made in the last 15 years). But if a shift pedal is adjusted incorrectly, the transmission will sometimes feel very clunky and/or imprecise. |
Mikezx9r
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 05:53 pm: |
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I think my 1125r shifts pretty smooth. I like it a lot. Im not thrilled about the clutch lever effort though. My cable operated zx9r clutch requires less effort (causing less fatigue) to pull the lever in. |
Xtreme6669
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 05:57 pm: |
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Yea, I dont like how far out the engagement is either.... I have read great reviews for members using asv levers to bring the clutch sweet spot in some but that won't help the firmness other than making it in a spot where your hand has more strength. |
Pablo959
| Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 06:13 pm: |
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I liked the article. I don't agree with the looks comments though, my black CR gets more attention and compliments than any bike I have owned...and that LOTS of bikes. |
Drhodes1970
| Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 08:07 pm: |
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Light and precise shifting here! Could'nt ask for more. |
Brumbear
| Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 09:24 pm: |
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I guess they had to complain about something but the gearbox come on that thing is pretty darn smooth. |
Moosestang
| Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 10:23 pm: |
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Mine feels clunky to me, but better than my xb. Maybe bleeding my clutch would help. |
Steve_mackay
| Posted on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 12:14 am: |
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Bleed your clutch, and adjust the lever. It'll feel ALOT better. I had problems with mine as well. I switched to the high bar kit, and bled the clutch, and it made a WORLD of difference! |
Johnnys999
| Posted on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 11:13 pm: |
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clunky could be confused with the distinct "bang" when your at a stop in neutral and then shift to first when the light turns green. Any shifting clunkyness got better in time, but my Multistrada was actually more clunky than the CR. |
Xtreme6669
| Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 11:29 am: |
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I guess if your being creative it could be considered very positive engagement and not clunky. } |
Moosestang
| Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 06:13 pm: |
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I bled my clutch and it seemed less clunky shifting into 2nd. I'm going to get a vacuum bleeder and really bleed the sucker. I got a few air bubbles out. |
Xtreme6669
| Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 07:34 pm: |
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I guess I too will try bleeding mine. Hope mine gets "buttery smooth" like everyone else! |