| Author | Message | ||
     Bigblock352 |
In a effort to make a unhappy customer happy my dealership is offering to take back my un-rideable going to have to be towed back to the dealership 08 1125r and exchange it for a 09 1125CR or a xb12 something rather long? nor really interested in that Questions about the CR How is the riding position compared to the R? How is the wind blast on the highway compared to the R or in general? Or should I just wait and HOPE that they can get my R running correctly eventually? (Message edited by bigblock352 on November 23, 2009) | ||
| Homer007 |
I've never ridden an R before; the only sportbike comparison I have is with my current yamaha r1. believe it or not, with the clubmam handle bars, the R1 is way more comfortable than my CR. a lot more room on the R1 so the riding position is more relaxed. wind buffeting is also way less with the r1. on the chest area, there's more wind buffeting on the cr than any other bike i've ridden. | ||
| Fmaxwell |
I would take the '09 CR in a heartbeat. All of the teething problems in the '08 1125R were fixed in '09. Different injectors, different O2 sensor position. Lots of changes that added up to a much better bike. With the clubman bars, the positions are close to the same. With the high bars, the position on the 1125CR is very Lightning-like. I just came home last night averaging well over 80mph with the high bars and I was good with it. Many of the magazine reviewers have commented that, for a naked bike, the wind buffeting is not bad. But each person's tolerance of wind varies. Some guy who just jumped off of a Goldwing would think we were all crazy. If you're looking for a bike to ride on the track, the 1125R is the better choice. If your riding is primarily on the street, I like the 1125CR. The shorter gearing means better acceleration (I always found the 1125R to be geared rather tall). The upright bars work better (for me and most reviewers) at street speeds. The tiny bit longer wheelbase makes the bike seem more planted in turns (to me). Take the CR out for a ride if the dealer will let you. | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
I like the looks of the R way more than I do the CR, but that would be a tempting trade. I'd do it since you'd be starting with a new bike. The shorter gearing would probably make me forget about the lack of fairing. Mike | ||
| Ohbuellman |
I have an 09R and an 09CR (the latter "appeared" shortly after 15-Oct for the reasons we're all aware of...couldn't turn down the deal). So, I have experience with both day to day. My take on it is that it will be dependent upon the type of riding you do. If you do a lot of urban riding, I would actually go with the CR. It is clearly geared differently and does better in that environment. If you are a twisty rural road rider or track person, the R is clearly the way to go. There is a very noticeable difference in wind buffeting, which can get a bit tiring on CR if you are on interstates for long stretches. | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
Yep I own a CR and test rode an R. I just like the feel of the CR for the street. Clubman bars will stretch you forward but the shorter gearing is a hoot! With the new 152 updated flash on it bike is running better than ever. A lot of updates to the 09's as stated above but the 09's are not without some bugs. I would say most people have been on the worry free side of riding. However there have been some stator failures on CR's. Mine went out at 4100 miles. Other than that it was great before that and now even better after because of the new flash I had them put in. Instrument Cluster on 09's will show battery voltage and has a gear indicator. Battery voltage really helped me to recognize that I had a problem that was going to need some attention. Bike runs in 13.6 to 14.2 range for voltage. Mine dropped all the way to 11.2 when Stator was toast. | ||
| Ron_luning |
Are they offering a one-for-one deal (i.e. no more money for the 09 CR)? If so, you should definitely take it. You can do the high bar and put some kind of universal windshield on if you find that you need one. A few guys have had bad luck with their bikes, and it sounds like you might be on the path to being one of them. At least with the new 09 you'll get a clean slate. | ||
| Bigblock352 |
I don't know if it's a even swap, somehow I doubt it will be. I am on my way there now and hopefully they will let me take a quick highway speed blast to see if I can deal with the wind blast. | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
My earlier answer was based on the premise that it was an even swap ... It didn't occur to me they'd try to charge you additional money. I guess I've been in the customer service business way too long  Mike | ||
| Froggy |
Pretty much the same. You can adjust the CR bars at the clamp to change the angle a little bit, but thats about it. The clubmans *look* more aggressive than the R, but its all placebo.
More wind blast, but the CR is happier below 65mph so I tend to go slower on it than my R. The wind protection and taller gearing make the R much nicer on the highway, especially if you are like me and do 200 mile each way trips to get a cheeseburger.
Your call. | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
200 miles each way? That must be an amazing cheeseburger!! Mike | ||
| Froggy |
No, its 300 miles minimum for the good cheeseburgers   | ||
| Thedavyboy |
OK that's a cheeseburger ! | ||
| Oddball |
A cheeseburger for a family of four. Mount Cheeseburger. | ||
| Avc8130 |
I have that shirt. ac | ||
| Froggy |
No, thats the 2 pound burger, one person can easily finish it. Something like this is for the family  Sorry, thats the best photo I got, low light conditions. It is a slice of a 5lb burger (I believe thats what the guy said). They cut it like a pie.  The 100lb burger is huge!  Ok done thread-jacking. About R vs CR, they both are similar, but very different. I have both, and love them equally for different things. | ||
| Luisemilio25r |
I have both as well. An 08 R and 09 CR. Love both bikes. But for city riding, the CR is better. It feels smoother and I really don't know why but it feels more agile and more confidence inspiring. I find it to be easier to ride faster in the twisties. The wind protection on the R is nice to have if you ride a lot on the highway. The ergos are quite alike and I would even dare to say that the CR puts less pressure on your wrists but then again, it might be that I am too excited to have it that I feel it that way. Please excuse my english if I was not very articulate | ||
| Sl33py |
Any luck? Even swap (i'd do it!), or did they want more $? | ||
| Dinky_toy |
I'll attempt another threadjack, sort of... Is it possible to fit a 1125R screen or an XB12R screen to a CR without to much mods? There are just so many more CR's still out there then there are R's left over... (Message edited by Dinky_Toy on November 25, 2009) | ||
| Froggy |
Both will physically fit, as they use the same mounts, but you will have to get creative with wiring, ignition relocation, etc. Two guys swapped CR and R setups, and they pretty much had to swap everything they could just to get it to work. From the sound of it, it would of probably been easier to swap the titles. | ||
| Freight_dog |
Dinky, I am sure someone will post up with more info, but its been done. Not a simple mod. Find someone with an R who wants to turn it into a CR. You are looking at exchanging most of your front end aside from forks wheels and brakes. Edit because froggy beat me to it with a better answer...  (Message edited by Freight_dog on November 25, 2009) | ||
| Bigblock352 |
Not a even swap so I didn't do it | ||
| Solobuell |
Another detail... The gear ratio for the CR is shorter than for the R. The CR has a more aggressive character in general... most similar to the XB Regards www.solobuell.com | ||
| Jammin_joules |
Bigblock, there are lots of things you left off worth considering. * What did you pay when you bought the 1125R * did you demo ride it * did you ask/listen to the salesman discuss its relative merits and character * was an 1125CR on the floor available for demo * when did you buy it relative to black Thursday? * what are you unhappy with - rideability issues or the characteristics of the Loki or those unique to the R .vs CR? * How many miles have you put on the R * does the dealer still support Buell since black Thursday, without signing the 7 yr agreement, he cannot be in a position to move Buell product without substantial losses on each sale in todays environment I am not saying we would not make this right by you, assuming a 1125CR is even available anymore, but for the last 18 months many dealers are in a fight for their life. Considerable financial loss is at risk here to the dealership compared to what might only be a new owner minor displeasure issue. Lacking knowing your particular issues it is hard to say what is right, what is fair, and what is possible - the three not necessarily combined. But answering the above questions, I'd be glad to tell you what we would or have done in the past. I say that but realize, we are huge on enabling demo rides before even talking price let alone closing the sale. Given that, I can not think of any sales in the last three years that were asked to be reversed due to the bike being wrong. Why focus on a price when some customers do not even know what they want, or what it is they are buying. Too often, when that is done, a few days go by while insurance, financing, etc are being lined up and the person walks in and changes their minds. |
