| Author | Message | ||
     Geforce |
About to order brake pads for front and rear from Al... I need some feedback on these three brands. EBC - Best Suited for STREET/TRACK/RACE Lyndall - Best Suited for STREET/TRACK/RACE Ferodo - Best Suited for STREET/TRACK/RACE STOCK - Mmm... I didn't like them to much. so gimmie some feedback on the above please. Here's what I am doing... spirited street riding, multiple track days, no competition racing. My last track day left me with mega deposits on my front rotor and some serious shudder under heavy braking now. Also, do I need to really dish out the $35 for the rotor hone, or can I get something else cheaper to clean them up a little? Thanks for the help gents! | ||
| D_adams |
EBC is good, I have them on the front at the moment. Just had the rear rotor/caliper/pads/master cylinder replaced under warranty, so it still has the stock pads on the rear, although they are new. Got a pic of the deposits? | ||
| 01xjbuell |
The only two I have had experience with are stock and the race pads. Will be buying neither next time and looking at the Lyndall Pads and maybe even the "finned" rotor. Nick | ||
| Jdugger |
Which EBC? 2HH or 4HH (extreme pro) I've been really happy with the Extreme Pro on the track. I run OEM on the street. OEM Rotor. I cook it to purple on the track! Don't clean your rotor. USE your brakes instead. (Message edited by jdugger on October 10, 2009) | ||
| Geforce |
I'll try and get a picture up this afternoon. Family is in town this morning so I might be a little busy. Thanks for all the responses. Jdugger, I'm not sure which one American Sport Bike sells. From the picture they look to be the extreme pro... prolly not going to work for any street riding and track mix? My OEM rotor got really purple at the track. There were little circle in the center area. I also lost a lot of the brake lever action after that last one too. I came home, bled the front and added a little fluid. I took it out and got it up to 80-90 MPH and shut it down real hard to try and clean the deposits off. It did help a little. But the shuddering and pulsing is still there. So I am looking for something that has a bit less in the deposit realm. I didn't think about the Buell Race pads, how would they stack up? | ||
| Jdugger |
Losing the brake lever action is probably the fluid giving out more than the pads. I've had that problem, too, and when I upgraded to Motul RBF 600 the issues went away. The Extreme Pro seem to work really well when used really hard, so I'd pass on them for the street even as I love them at the track. But, to be honest, I've not tried them on the street. Buell race pads are expensive... | ||
| Froggy |
General consensus is that the Lyndalls are great for the street, but not for the track, and vice versa for the EBC pads. I haven't heard anything about the Ferodo pads. I have the stockers on my 1125CR and the Lyndalls on my ZTL2 XB, both feel good, but the Lyndalls feel less like a light switch, but I also run an Nissin master cyl with it. | ||
| Marcodesade |
Can someone explain to a n00b what benefit the aftermarket pads offer over the OEM part --- especially for street use? The stocker seems to stop my bike very vigorously, but then again I admit to knowing nothing . . . | ||
| Jdugger |
The OEM pad isn't good in two situations: 1. Guys that barely use their brakes on the street. 2. Guys that REALLY use their brakes on the track. | ||
| Geforce |
Sorry for the delay. I was really busy yesterday. Here's the front.  | ||
| Jdugger |
DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT go with the EBC Extreme Pro. Those pads want to be really, really hot, and you aren't using your brakes nearly hard enough. | ||
| Geforce |
Rock on, I knew I wasn't in that league... I was however concerned with the shuddering. I don't want this to be a repeat issue after every track day. Lyndalls and Motul RBF 600? Or swap them out for stock pads and do a couple of 90 MPH shut downs to help clean things up? | ||
| Jdugger |
I highly recommend the 90 MPH shutdowns, or even dragging the dang things while on the gas to get them hot. The fluid change... yea, do it. The Motul stuff seems to "wear out" sooner, so plan to change it more often. I change mine when I change my front pads. About every 2 front tires. Fresh fluid is key. open a new bottle, use that, and either throw the 3/4ths of the bottle left out, or top it off with argon for storage if you have the means. | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT go with the EBC Extreme Pro. Those pads want to be really, really hot, and you aren't using your brakes nearly hard enough. YOU ARE 100% CORRECT !! JT | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
STOCK work fine for street use...if your pushing that hard that your stock pads are faiding GET ON THE TRACK BROTHER!! JT | ||
| Geforce |
JT, that's when I started to get all the deposits and fade...after a track day and about 6, 20 minute sessions. My concern was that next year I will be doing MORE track days and normal street riding and I don't want this to be a repeat issue if all I need to do is get a "better" set of pads and go from there. I know I wasn't using the front brake as hard as it can go, I am not at that sort of skill level yet. That is why I started this thread... to pick the brains of those who know to get a better idea of where I should go on the brake pads for future use. | ||
| Jdugger |
For a novice or intermediate rider, I think the OEM pad is just fine. Upgrade your fluid to the Motul and go for it. You should expect to burn the pad relatively quickly, but until your rotor is turning straw, blue and purple, you aren't breaking harder than the OEM pad will serve well for. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Fresh fluid is key. open a new bottle, use that, and either throw the 3/4ths of the bottle left out, or top it off with argon for storage if you have the means. I was looking at a can of that inert gas to keep a partial bottle of wine fresh. Argon was an ingredient. I bet that would work. | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
geforce, that's when I started to get all the deposits and fade...after a track day and about 6, 20 minute sessions.(YEP I UNDERSTAND) we run EBC EXTREMES on the race bike(NOT A STREET PAD)and EBC HH's for street/track use ..my sugestion is this : go with a high quality brake fluid and a set of EBC HH's. a up grade on the master may not be needed, and if you have the funds..get a new rotor, 5 or 6mil. you can clean the one your bike also..but starting with a fresh rotor, pads and fresh fluid might be the ticket. and if it still fades call me..i might have a second bike ready for you next year..   | ||
| Geforce |
I appreciate all the help fellas. I think I am going to stick with the stock pads and swap out the fluids. This new MC seal is another option I am looking at if it is just a seal swap. The very last question I have and we touched on it before... Brake Rotor Hone, when would this be a good idea to refinish the rotors? I used to take the discs off my car and have them turned if there were ever gouges or deep grooves in the surface. Then put new pads on and call it a day after the break in. With our ZTLs will I get more life out of a new set of pads if the rotor is honed before putting new pads on? Or is this a waste of time. Thanks! | ||
| Fresnobuell |
If you take off the rotor, the bolts need to be replaced. I think the set is $60 from American Sport Bike | ||
| Geforce |
JT, you have NO idea how bad I would love to go to a good race school and really get into this. The owner at my dealer has been asking me when I am going to get that magic paper slip to race. He has a never been started XBRR and REALLY wants to declare a race team just for fun. I really really wish I could but there's no way I could do that and be active duty. I have a good friend up here that is actually planning to do some privateer racing on his CBR600 next year and I just don't see how he is going to make it to all the races with our schedule. (We are both TRADOC instructors so we don't deploy right now in this part of our career, all we do is train Soldiers...but still we have issues with affording time). I truly hope my local dealer here is able to get a couple of good riders and declare a race team soon. He doesn't care about winning, he just wants to go racing! I know American Sport Bike was out this weekend, I am not sure if Al carries EBC's street pads but if not I'll just go back with stock and try the fluid flush. Thanks again! | ||
| Ezblast |
Does Galfer sell for the 1125? They are awesome on the Blast - one finger stopping - with little wear on the rotor. EZ | ||
| R2s |
I made the mistake of using the stock pads on the track. They left black deposits of burnt pad material on the front disc. I have the EBC's now and the rotors have cleaned up. My $0.02 |
