| Author | Message | ||
     Fresnobuell |
Anyone have any experience with the Buell race shock? It's made by Showa and compared to other shocks, it's a bargain. From page 6 of the Buell Catalog... D. Racing Rear Shock • Excellent performance and value • Showa • Kashima Coated Body • Fully Adjustable • Optional Springs Available K0410D.08AZ $549.95  | ||
| Jdugger |
Totally the bomb. I put one on my track bike and I love the thing. Ride height adjustment is independent of preload, and the damping is valved for an experienced rider. Adjustments are smooth and easy to set, and it's a CLICKER, not a smooth valve. Stock spring on the unit is great for a 170-190ish in gear rider. Fantastic value for the money. | ||
| Jdugger |
Previous post: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/489649.html | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Great feedback. Thanks. I am considering the Buell Racing shock over a $300 revalve of the stocker. I like that it's a plug and play thing, unlike the fork cartridges that have to be installed into the forks (add another $150 bucks to the price tag and hope the job gets done correctly.) I found a fork seal leak over the weekend, which has bumped up my time table to get the forks revalved (and upgrade the shock.) One more question: I assume the Buell Racing shock does NOT have high and low speed compression damping? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Previous post Ah, yes I remember that one. I didn't realize you got the shock as well. thanks again for your feedback. | ||
| Jdugger |
Fresno, The shock and fork carts do not have adjustments for both high and low speed. They are the traditional compression and rebound damping adjustments only. It's a really good choice for the money. I like mine so far, with the exception the fork kit is waaaay oversprung compared to the shock. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
So you would recommend the shock (over a revalve of the stocker) for a mid to fast B rider? I am passing on the cartridges, in favor of fork revalve. I plan to get the forks valved for a aggressive street/occasional track day setup--assuming Traxxion has this option. Does that seem like a good match between forks and shock? | ||
| Clarkjw |
Fres, do you race? Post up. I'd love to support if you come to Cali. The Ohlins shock, which I believe is used on the RR and for sure has high and low speed damping/compression. Given the 1125's direct linkage and stiffness (08), I think you'll only need any uprated shock for racing applications. The money could be better spent perfecting setup. FYI, I'm at 21 clicks in on that shock at ramp 1 @ 200 lbs and factory rebound settings. I really don't see how you could need any stiffer. Rebound speed will go a long way to help performance. The forks are another matter though... Anyway, http://www.ohlins.eu/en/products/113/Oehlins-Type- TTX36-PR1C1LB/ Category: Shock absorber Part number: BU 888 Length: 321 +6/-0 mm Stroke: 58 mm Spring rate: 110 n/mm Fitted spring: 21040-39 Type: T36PR1C1LS | ||
| Jdugger |
> So you would recommend the shock (over a revalve of the stocker) for a mid to fast B rider? I'm approaching mid-pack CMRA Novice speeds at my home track, and I'm smack in the middle of the preload and both valve adjustments on the race shock, so yea, I think it's a completely decent choice over revalving the rear. I really like the fork carts, too. AK-20 would be a step up, though, and yea, I'm sure traxxion can get you a "fast street / mid track" set up there. Ultimately, I think you will find you need two bikes. One set up for the track, and one for the street. I'm at mid to bottom of the A group -- depending on how many real racers show up -- and I can tell you my street 1125r, which is set quite firm -- it's a child's rocking horse on the track at pace. Likewise, my track bike is MISERY to ride at any pace below balls out. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Given the 1125's direct linkage and stiffness (08), I think you'll only need any uprated shock for racing applications. The money could be better spent perfecting setup. FYI, I'm at 21 clicks in on that shock at ramp 1 @ 200 lbs and factory rebound settings. I really don't see how you could need any stiff. So is the benefit of a "racing" shock only being stiffer? I was under the impression that over all feel would be increased via better damping, not necessarily only stiffer damping. Ultimately, I think you will find you need two bikes I agree and am looking at the possibility in the near future. | ||
| Clarkjw |
Fres, didn't see ur post until mine went up. The direct linkage gives AMAZING feedback. Stiffness and geometry are the only things I can see value in. You'll have to judge for yourself. And yeah, if you're a track day fein, 2 bikes are the only way to go. The street setup will never be appropriate for the track. You're lucky. In this economy, you can get a badass track bike for next to nothing. | ||
| Rocketronnl |
In the Netherlands are 5 1125R's on the track and all with AST. high and low speed compression adjustable,rebound damping adjustable,ride height adjustable and the shock has a lenght adjuster.  | ||
| Jdugger |
Oh my God... that picture is like suspension porn. I've got a huge woody now. | ||
| Teach |
Holy Crap! | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I noticed there was no price posted with that pic. Nice looking shock for sure! No I don't race so I am looking for a solution that is decent compromise between street and track--and won't break the bank. I guess the good thing is that I like an aggressive street setup... | ||
| Jdugger |
Fres... for the money the Buell race shock is a no-brainer. | ||
| Buellrcr |
i got the shock and the 25mil cart kit, the stuff is the bomb, i had changed the fluid in the forks and put a stiffer spring in the rear of the stock shock and it was better, than stock fork fluid, and the spring that came from factory with the buell race shock and the 25mil kit i droped 3sec off my lap times and about 4 1/2 from bone stock. best money ever spent | ||
| Clarkjw |
wow Buell cr. Please share your settings. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
....and add some punctuation please. That's just hard to read. So you bought the racing shock, but added a stiffer spring to the stock shock? Please clarify. | ||
| Buellrcr |
i started racing a buell 1125r bone stock. i changed the fork oil to a better oil i used ohlins oil in the forks, i put a race tech spring on a stock shock. it made the bike handle a lot better. then i went to chain drive and put the buell race shock and did the 25mil internals. the bike handle night and day from bone stock to the race set up i drop a lot of time off of my lap times. as far as setting i could not tell you where they are set at. i keep playing with the setting to my likings | ||
| Amrra12 |
I have the Penske triple adjuster on mine and the AK-20 Fork kits! Showa Race stuff they are making for Buell is top of the line stuff I kinda wish I would have gotten there fork kits rather then Traxxions AK-20 kits | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I kinda wish I would have gotten there fork kits rather then Traxxions AK-20 kits Why, other than the dollar savings? Also, I am not questioning your assessment of the quality of the Buell Showa parts, but do you have direct experience with them? I hope they are as good as the recent reports! | ||
| Rocketronnl |
"I noticed there was no price posted with that pic". 640 euro ex vat. http://www.twinmotorcycles.nl/webshop/artikel.asp? guid=YXHFSC&aid=1748&cid=214&s=&a= (Message edited by rocketron.nl on October 07, 2009) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
That can't be USD. Interesting that they just tossed it in the dirt for the picture. Just noticed that. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
that'd be around 900 - 1k USD, and i noticed that too fresno, id never do that to a 1k$ shock or anything else lol. Jake | ||
| Buellrcr |
matt at showa usa is top notch, set the forks up and the rear shock. all i did is set the sag,and turned on the rebound and compression a couple clicks. bike on rails. | ||
| Jens |
We tested the Buell Showa race catridgekit and rearshock very succesful in our racebikes at the Biketoberfest in Oschersleben. Fastest laptime ever for our team with that suspensionparts. www.pegasusraceteam.com Jens | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
Jens, SO can you tell us whats goin on with the intake in this pick? looks a little similar the xbrr, where did u get it, and any benefits? Also where did u get that trick front fender/brake cooler? http://www.pegasusraceteam.com/assets/images/db_im ages/db_BT_1125_R_71.jpg Thanx Jake | ||
| Jens |
Hi Jake, thanks for your interest in our work. We developing a complete own bodywork for the 1125R. The airscooped frontfender is a development we started in 2006 on the XB and use it with very good result. Now under raceconditions we can use the factory Brakepads for hours. The Monocoque and the fairing with the airintake and the XBRRstyle airfunels I have made some sets for testing and now we decided to produce it. I continue at moment with the coolercovers, the enginefront and the bellypan. The backround of these parts is that we will compete next year, if all going well, in the Sound of Thunder series. There you need all you can get. With rising HP numbers the stock Ramairinake will limit the bike, regarding the airvolume, I think. Also the airbox is for big HP numbers too small. So I extended the airboxdepartment and also corrected the seatingposition. The XBRR airfunnels you see are one piece with the fairingbracket what also hold peripherieparts. So you can remove the fairing and it stays as a unit on the bike. The part is made in compositematerial and special reinforced were it is mounted to the frame. We crashed one time now, and different from the OEM Aluminiumpart it did not break. We havent datarecorded airboxpressure for now, because we had many other things to solve on that first rollout. So I can not proof with numbers that I am on the right way, regarding the raimaireffect. Jens | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
Thanx Jens!! Keep up the good work, your products look top notch!!! and keep us posted on ALL of your accomplishments and product info, should be VERY interesting to see the result  muahaha btw- why no exhaust or chain swingarm? THANX Jake | ||
| Jens |
Thanks Jake, on that weekend we signed into Pro Thunder what is a weight/power limited class. There we used the original european catalyst exhaust as extraweight and powerlimiter (-: Regarding the belt, we have now some years of experience with racing a belt on the XB. It never failed and we have different sprockets and pulleys to change the secondary ratio, also its easy on the XB to change the primary ratio. That worked very fine. I think a belt generates a smoother traction to the rearwheel than a chain and makes less rearwheel chattering. Special today with that exta long swingarms its sometimes scary to see what the chains do on the track or on the dyno. Chaindrive need tensioners, thats all heavy. I like that original Buellidea with the rearaxle. The plan is to keep the Belt also on the 1125R Racebikes and we work on alternative frontsprockets for belt without the cushdrive. The belt should resist 200 HP... as I heared, we will find that out. But, to have the full range to play, you need different pulleys, sprockets, idlergears, brackets, belts. We extended an XB swingarm 11" and run the bike in roadracing with belt, succesfully. If you really want anything goes. Jens |
