| Author | Message | ||
     Ebear |
 THESE two TOGETHER????  WSBK ROCKS!!!... And Now MOTOGP is Gonna TOO!!!!!! (Message edited by ebear on October 01, 2009) | ||
| Jaimec |
The Yamaha WSBK team becomes "Team Britain" just as the Tech 3 MotoGP team becomes "Team Texas." It was announced Toseland will be joining Crutchlow on the Yamaha WSBK team. Wither Tom Sykes? http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresul ts/MotoGP/2009/October/oct0109/ | ||
| Trojan |
It was announced Toseland will be joining Crutchlow on the Yamaha WSBK team. Wither Tom Sykes? Tom Sykes was being courted by the factory/Alstare Suzuki team last I heard. Hoprfully they will get over their 'sponsor problem' and be able to afford him next year alongside Max Neukircher (although Haslam has also been linked to the place). Tom was fast on the Suzuki in BSB so I think it will suit his style better than the Yamaha  Even if he doesn't get picked up by a WSBK team he is held in very high regard by UK team managers and won't find it hard to get a decent ride in BSB for next year. Looks like WSBK will be the Brit pack next year with Toseland, Crutchlow, Haslam, Byrne, Rea, Sykes so far either signed or linked to teams All we need now is Leon Camier, Chaz Davies and Neil Hodgson to join the party. Also just reported is that Chris Vermeulen will be at the factory/Paul Bird Kawasaki team in WSBK next year alongside Shane Byrne (probably). The Kawasaki factory are throwing all their resources into the superbike effort now that they have shelved the MotoGP team, so I can see that being competitive next year too (Message edited by trojan on October 01, 2009) | ||
| Jaimec |
Any word on whether Hopkins will be back in WSBK? Or is WSBK going to be "Yank Free" in 2010? | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Spies did the right thing for the racing fans. He was too good for WSBK and made the other racers look average and slow. It is now clear why he did not perform very well in Imola. His mind was full, thinking for his future..... I hope Spies races in Valencia in the 8th November. Yamaha could give him Toseland's bike. Spies raced in Valencia this year, so he knows the track and this could help him get a first taste of motoGP. Racing fans will have a great interest for the final race. Wise move for Yamaha to get Toseland in WSBK. I think Toseland is the next Bayliss, and this motoGP experience made him a better racer. It was also wise for Toseland to go for bike&series where he can win races and challenge for the title. Yamaha was definately a good choice. Compare Toseland to Hopkins. A much more talented rider that bad choises in teams and bikes have (almost?) finished his carreer. I would like to see Hopkins in WSBK. | ||
| Blake |
Hopkins is proof that talent alone will not a world champion make. | ||
| Jaimec |
I just got finished rewatching "Faster." When that movie was made, Hopper was the up and coming superstar from America. Even the sequel, "Faster and faster," paid more attention to Hopper than to Nicky Hayden (who had a cameo appearance in that film). Of course, Nicky went on to win the World Championship in 2006, while Hopper has systematically begun breaking damned near every bone in his body at every opportunity... | ||
| Vagelis46 |
What "dope" has Fabrizio been on lately ??? | ||
| 46champ |
"What "dope" has Fabrizio been on lately ???" Remember the most important person you have to beat is your teammate. | ||
| Duggram |
Anybody notice Camier qualified 16th on the RSV4? Don't remember where Simoncelli qualified on the same bike last weekend, but he did well in the races. I've heard that it's easier to go from 250 to WSB/MotoGP, than it is to go from IL4 to V4. However, what really matters is, go Ben!! | ||
| Amafan |
Simoncelli qualified 8th last week ,but he tested on the bike for 2 days ealier that week and he also tested for 3 days in the preseason at Valencia ,and Camier had no time on the bike before this weekend . | ||
| Crusty |
Guess who's on the pole... | ||
| Jaimec |
For a record-tying tenth time this season... | ||
| Blake |
From Superpole Three: 1. Ben SPIES (Yamaha YZF-R1), 1:37.709 2. Jonathan REA (Honda CBR1000RR), 1:38.191 3. Michel FABRIZIO (Ducati 1098F09), 1:38.196 4. Max BIAGGI (Aprilia RSV4 Factory), 1:38.235 5. Noriyuki HAGA (Ducati 1098F09), 1:38.365 6. Leon HASLAM (Honda CBR1000RR), 1:38.625 7. Fonsi NIETO (Ducati 1098R), 1:38.670 8. Troy CORSER (BMW S1000 RR), 1:39.114 Over a half second quicker than Haga. Go Ben! | ||
| Gaesati |
Good to see bmw in top 10 | ||
| Vagelis46 |
It is never over until it is over !! Advantage ... Haga! The Aprilia performs great. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Is Vermeulen really crazy ? Why did he choose the worst performing bike in WSBK ?? Aprilia and Honda look capable of winning the title next year. When was the last time we saw a Kawasaki scoring a top 6 ? | ||
| Blake |
Huge mistake on tire choice cost Ben dearly. | ||
| Trojan |
Is Vermeulen really crazy ? Why did he choose the worst performing bike in WSBK ?? Aprilia and Honda look capable of winning the title next year. When was the last time we saw a Kawasaki scoring a top 6 ? Maybe not as mad as it may seem at first glance. kawasaki have pulled out of MotoGP but are now concentrating solely on WSBK for 2010. They have a factory development and test team in place with Olivier Jacques testing for them and have transferred all of their motoGP department to the WSBK development side of the factory. This comes at a time when all the other Japanese factories are making their superbike development teams smaller or stopping altogether. Paul Bird runs a very good squad and hires very good people. He knows what he needs to get the job done, and has a timetable to work to. The Kawasaki has actually been a very much improved bike this year, let down by less than top class riders in WSBK, and will continue to evolve over the winter. Chris Vermuelen is an experienced rider with proven development skills at both Ten Kate Honda and Suzuki, and had ofers from other top WSBK teams on the table apparently, so I don't think that he would be signing for Kawasaki unless he thought he could win on the bike. Latest rumours are that Aprilia will field a second 'factory supported' WSBK team next year with another all British line-up of Shane Byrne and Leon Camier That would be nice | ||
| Vagelis46 |
No matter what the rumours for next year's Kawa's efford are, it is a risky choice for Vermeulen. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Is there going to be a rider from the USA in WSBK next year ??? This is a big puzzle that needs to be fixed. Spies in WSBK made the series very popular in the USA. It needs to be kept that way. Hayden-Fabrizio switch would be great, unless Hayden hopes that he can get better on the Ducati GP bike. Give it a rest Nicky, we need you in WSBK, the sooner the better. Get both titles, and make history. | ||
| Trojan |
Is there going to be a rider from the USA in WSBK next year ??? There was talk of an ALL US Ducati team (with US riders) in WSBK next year a while ago, but that seems to have faded away now. Anyone know different? John Hopkins may be able to get a place on the WSBK grid if he can get back to fitness and convince a team manager that he is still competitive, but other than him there is nobody who is being talked about for a WSBK ride next year. To be honest this is the largely result of the DMG/AMA situation and US riders will find it harder and harder now to make the move to WSBK as AMA becomes more isolated. Jake Zemke was the 'next big thing' from the US on a few team managers lips a while ago, but he failed to live up to expectations on his couple of rides for Stiggy, and he is no longer mentioned for next years top places. The expectations were admittedly far too high anyway, as he hadn't ridden the bike before, but it didn't do him any good. There are also a lot of talented, well proven riders from MotoGP moving to WSBK and other domestic champions such as Leon Camier moving up, so places are very limited in the WSBK paddock now. Martin Cardenas has made the move to Moto2 next year, but then he is Columbian anyway. PJ Jacobsen (currently racing 125GP in the Spanish championship for team Aspar) will hopefully be the next US rider into 125GP racing and I'm sure that Team Roberts will unfortunately once again become a parochial family business in Moto2, giving a largely undeserved ride to Kurtis or Steve Bonsey. I would like to see Josh Herrin in either WSS/WSBK or Moto2, and also Jason DiSalvo, but I seriously think the next US riders in WSBK will be Nicky Hayden and Colin Edwards in 2011. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Has Camier lived up to expectations ?? | ||
| Crusty |
but I seriously think the next US riders in WSBK will be Nicky Hayden and Colin Edwards in 2011. Yeah, but you thought they'd both be gone from MotoGP after this year. Did you ever consider getting a job as a TV Weatherman? | ||
| Blake |
"To be honest this is the largely result of the DMG/AMA situation and US riders will find it harder and harder now to make the move to WSBK as AMA becomes more isolated. " Baloney! And who cares! You continue to strum that harp any harder and the strings are going to be worn through. AMA racers have proved time and again that ASBK champions are a virtual shoe-in for the WSBK championship. We don't really care. It's apparently not any more of a challenge to win WSBK races than it is ASBK. Ben Spies is laughing while he skips past WSBK and on to MotoGP for another real challenge. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Talent is talent. It can be found in AMA, BSB, WSBK, WSS, Italy, Spain, Germany, etc. It is everywhere ! Niel Hodgon was not very succesful in AMA, despite being a WSBK champion. | ||
| Trojan |
Has Camier lived up to expectations ?? He has won the British Superbike title this year pretty convincingly that's for sure. His outing on the Aprilia was always going to look disapointing compared to Simoncelli simply because Leon didn't even have a chance to sit on the bike before first practice on Friday (Simoncelli tested twice before deciding to race). Camier suffered mechanical failure in both races but was in 9th place in race two before his retirement. Having watched his progress over the last few years I would say that he can certainly live up to expectations. Yeah, but you thought they'd both be gone from MotoGP after this year. Did you ever consider getting a job as a TV Weatherman? I would be willing to bet that both will be out of MotoGP by 2011. Edwards has performed really well this year and certainly deserves his ride for 2010. How long Tech 3/Yamaha want to keep him as 'best of the rest' or 'winter world champion' remains to be seen though. I am quite surprised that Nicky is still in at Ducati though, and Hayden has to either improve markedly or leave next year for sure. He knows that there are riders out of a job next year who have regularly performed far better than he has in 2009, and Nicky must know how lucky he is to still have the Ducati ride (because others didn't want it) for next year. There are lots of very good riders fighting for very few places in MotoGP, and results will start to count every week next year even more than they do now. There will be world championship winners on privateer bikes next year (Simoncelli, Aoyama, Spies (maybe), Melandri) and all will be looking for a factory ride in 2011 or at least the very best semi factory bike. Colin Edwards will feel like he has a target on his back next season! | ||
| Trojan |
AMA racers have proved time and again that ASBK champions are a virtual shoe-in for the WSBK championship. Who won the AMA Superbike crown this year? And how many offers does he have for WSBK? Who was the last AMA Superbike champion to win the WSBK championship and how long ago was that? Step away from Badweb and read what others think of the DMG/AMA debacle Blake. Believe me, I am not on a one man crusade to try and besmirch the glowing reputation of the AMA Superbike series It is managing to do that all by itself without any help from me. It's apparently not any more of a challenge to win WSBK races than it is ASBK. Ben Spies is laughing while he skips past WSBK and on to MotoGP for another real challenge. You can make the exception try to prove the rule Blake, but Ben Spies is an exceptional talent. if you think that every AMA Superbike winner could do what Ben has done this year then why haven't they done it for years? Where did Jake Zemke finish when he tried it? How many races has John Hopkins actually won in WSBK? Who else from the AMA series could have done what Spies has done this year? Zemke, Hayes, Bostrom (either of them)? Talent is talent. It can be found in AMA, BSB, WSBK, WSS, Italy, Spain, Germany, etc. It is everywhere ! Of course it can, but if nobody is looking for talent in that particular pool what is the point? Team managers/owners will look to the best and most competitive superbike and supersport championships for new riders. How many new WSBK or MotoGP riders have emerged from the German or Canadian Superbike championship in recent years? AMA is just following their lead and WSBK teams will undoubtedly start to look elsewhere (in fact they already have) (Message edited by trojan on October 05, 2009) | ||
| Vagelis46 |
No matter who rides the 2nd Ducati, the result will be same and disappointing. This is an 'Axiom' (word dedicated to Jaimec).Ducati has realised it this year. So why they should not keep Hayden ?? | ||
| Trojan |
I don't think that Stoner is the only rider capable of riding the Ducati, I just think that the team have put all of their development and energy behind just one rider (Stoner) and have basically left the second rider to try and find his own way with the bike. That is certainly what happened to Melandri and has been borne out this year with Hayden. When Stoner was away Hayden got the attention he needed and his results improved considerably. Stoner returns, all the attention once more focusses on him, and Hayden is once again fighting to stay in the top ten. You say that Rossi enjoys favourable treatment at Yamaha, but it is blindingly obvious that Stoner gets ALL the attention and team resources at Ducati. As Ducati have found to their cost, developing a bike for just one rider can lead to disaster if he doesn't ride. Compare this to the Yamaha M1, which has been transformed from the worst MotoGP bike to the one that everyone wants to ride, and that just about anyone can go fast on (with the possible exception of JT, although even he has had his moments!) |
