| Author | Message | ||
     Torquaholic |
Some of you may remember my post about ZAS racing and how I saw some frame sliders on the bike they had pictures of.... I just found out this morning who actually makes the sliders! A good picture can be seen on 0:28 and 0:29 of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ny0mPmjRg The company is called Pelacrash. They are in Barcelona, Spain. I have already sent a message to Capitantem, asking him if he can call Pelacrash for me. He lives in Spain and I really hope he can get some information for us about potential distributors in the US, or any other info on how I can get a set for my bike! There's an italian online business that already lists them: http://www.4moto.it/11189-pelacrash_protector_for_ buell_1125_r_naked.html , and if my math is right... it will cost $190ish (shipping included in that estimate) to the US. (the picture on their website is obviously not the 1125R... the video shows the real thing) I know there were a few out there interested in this info (Trojan, Spaceman, Slypiranna, Puzzled)... so I thought I'd post the updated info. Stay tuned for more updates as they come in! --Kevin (Message edited by Torquaholic on September 27, 2009) | ||
| D_adams |
Hmmm, wonder what those are made of and how hard they'd be to make...... | ||
| Jelomadnes |
Those would be a nice addition to the spools I all ready have. Please add me to the list of those interested. | ||
| Mrbikle |
definitely interested. | ||
| Puzzled |
Thanks for the heads up. | ||
| Cmmfiremedic |
Thanks for the info I been trying to engineer me some. | ||
| Spaceman |
Thanks for doing the research on these. I've been looking for sliders for a while. Maybe we could put a group together and buy several sets for a better price. | ||
| D_adams |
Or make some? | ||
| Blake |
>>> Maybe we could put a group together and buy several sets for a better price. As long as the group buy is done through a sponsor, that would be fine. | ||
| Torquaholic |
I got an email back from Pelacrash this morning, written in Spanish and roughly translated into English for me. They confirmed they have frame sliders for the 1125R. They can sell them direct; the cost is 86 Euros and the buyer would have to pay for shipping costs. They didn't mention if there were any US dealers of their product. Any of our sponsors want to get in touch with Pelacrash? They're over in Spain... | ||
| Froggy |
Sounds perfect for Trojan or American Sport Bike to pickup and offer, especially if there isn't any known US distributors. | ||
| Capitantem |
Torquaholic, I just have answered your e-mail. I see now that you already got an e-mail from them. Do you have any other question so I can ask them? | ||
| Bicycle_man |
I would like to be "IN" on a group buy. Please keep me posted....I was just outside looking at how I could make my own. | ||
| Two_buells |
I want that Pegasus decal on the side!  | ||
| Lovedabueller |
two_buells. ME TOO!!!!!!! | ||
| Two_buells |
It would be real cool if the wings of the Pegasus was that grippy stuff guys have been putting on there bikes. Grip Skins or something like that. | ||
| Bicycle_man |
GREAT idea Two_buells !! I'm "ON IT", sending the idea to a local MX graphics co. and to a buddy that does car graphics...now to find the right material. | ||
| Blake |
A Buell Pegasus logo on the bike oriented as if doing a nose dive into the dirt? No thank you. | ||
| Puzzled |
A little nicer version IMO.  | ||
| Blake |
Those sliders sure are cantelevered out a long way. Looks to me that they may well end up causing a lot more serious damage to the engine than they would prevent to the shrouds.   | ||
| Ponti1 |
Off topic: So torn on whether I like the old or new pegasus logo better. The simplicity of the old one I think truly has my heart, but I like the sort of medieval shield look to the new one also. | ||
| Puzzled |
I like the new logo for some reason.  | ||
| Torquaholic |
Blake has a good point about the torque effect of the sliders being off center and so long... The design of this Pelacrash unit is like several of the "no-cut" sliders available for the mainstream IL4 group. There seems to be some debate online about the worthiness of the design in general, specifically related to them doing more damage than good. From doing my online research on the company, it seems that Pelacrash is the manufacturer of frame sliders to use in Spain. Pelacrash is roughly translated into Crash Peel. Here's a picture of a Pelacrash slider after a crash.  It looks like the plastic part of the slider is designed to absorb the impact and wear away on a slide. I think it served its purpose well in that picture. How much force is applied to the mounting position is going to be determined by the type of crash, direction of the impact. These sliders aren't designed to be used like a crash cage. I think they would do well in a low-side, especially in conjunction with the factory pods to help distribute the impact load. I know it is only a single personal reference, but the guy who posted that photo above said, "...they saved my motorcycle. I advise you to buy them; they are of good quality." My thoughts are that if you hit hard enough in a crash... maybe a nasty high side, there's probably going to be a lot more damage to the bike than just what the frame sliders can handle. Anyone have a different opinion? (Message edited by torquaholic on September 29, 2009) (Message edited by Torquaholic on September 29, 2009) | ||
| Buell101 |
They look like they would do a great job if you slipped in some gravel and dropped it in the driveway. But I'm with Blake, I've put my R down hard a couple times and a $50 shroud, $350+ for a new clutch cover ect is cheaper than the damage those potentially could of done. | ||
| Blake |
Kevin (Torquaholic), "I have first hand knowledge of what a low-speed low-side can do to the 1125R." How did that damage to your 1125R frame happen in a low speed low-side crash? It flies in the face of too many other reports of mild damage only to replaceable extremities and the shrouds. Some object other than flat pavement had to come into play, yes?  | ||
| Blake |
The crashed slider pic above doesn't tell us much. First, it appears that the slider is more for protecting the crankcase than the upper portion of the bike or its fairing. Second, the pic doesn't show how effectively the slider actually performed its intended task, protecting the bike or what it's mounting point on the engine looks like. Third, an engine case slider takes a MUCH less severe impact compared to a slider mounted higher on the bike like would be required to protect the Buell frame. Something like the current pucks that the XBikes use would be optimum in my view. Looks like there is still enough room on the applicable region of the 1125R/CR frame just above the shrouds for something like that. But that type of slider/protector requires a lot more investment into the design compared to the plastic on a stick approach. | ||
| Trojan |
Most frame and engine mounted sliders are only any good in the event of a relatively low speed accident, or if you are lucky(?) enough that you bike just slides along without tumbling. In the event of a cartwheel end over end crash them all of the crash bobbins and sliders in the world won't do much good I'm afraid  I have seen sliders save a lot of damage and I have seen similar slider cause huge damage to a bike in a different kind of crash. Luck has a lot to do with it. What they will stop is the damage caused in the sort of low speed accident that is enough to damage the frame and write off the bike even though other damage is marginal, and are great at the sort of car park and low speed get offs that we all get emarrassed about from time to time I will try to contact Pelacrash to see if they are interested in selling to us as a dealer  We have always preferred the carbon fibre style frame protectors http://www.trojan-horse.co.uk/prods/310.html, as these cover the whole frame beams and protect against knocks and abrasion very well. We used them on our race XB's for years and have sold lots of them to happy customers. These are now available for the 1125 models and although more expensive that slider type crash protection I think they look a lot better and certainly protect the frame better (they also cover previous damage if you have any).  | ||
| Amrra12 |
I had a high speed highside W/O sliders not one scratch on the frame or swingarm! bike damage was minimal other then the rear-sets and there crappy attachment points { why attach rear sets to the engine case i'll never know!!!!  | ||
| Chadhargis |
They should have soft bolts that break away and not damage the engine case. | ||
| Torquaholic |
Good points from all. I appreciate the comments. Blake, You're right about the damage to the bike not only involving the flat pavement. It just doesn't make sense to have that kind of damage from an easy low side given the bike's angles. Luck just wasn't on the bike's side that day. I do not blame the factory design for the damage to the frame. I see how I probably came across that way in my post. I have edited the post accordingly. I do still think that more protection than the factory design offers is a good thing, and may have helped minimize the damage in my bike's case. I can't say for sure though. Frame sliders are a proven concept and I've seen many bikes benefit from them after a crash. There are others out there who have seen sliders do more harm than good. Honestly, after reading other's opinions, I'm now on the fence about the design of these frame sliders in particular, specifically relating to the offset and length of the mount design. I can see how they may do more harm than good. There's one frame slider manufacturer that includes a good "choosing sliders" section on their site. Here's what they have to say about the general design of no-cut sliders: "Frame Mounted Sliders - In-Direct To address some of the concerns owners may have about modification of the fairing, some manufacturers have opted for a design that allows for the slider to mount onto an offset bracket that then mounts onto the frame. This offset introduces a whole new set of variables into the mix. Depending on the degree of the offset, impact forces now include amplified torque stresses which will be applied to the frame mounting points. Offset brackets will need to be of beefier construction, but not so beefy as to stay intact during an impact while severely damaging the frame mounting points. This is often the most costly type of slider configuration as most brackets require ingenious CNC work and design. In some situations employment of a bracket is a calculated risk, in others it is just not feasible. No cut sliders are attractive to most bikers so do your homework and ask the manufacturer questions before you buy them." Trojan has a great point about how "luck has a lot to do with it"... I think the carbon frame covers are a good idea, but they're a little expensive for my budget. Again, luck will have a lot to do with how they hold up in any given scenario as well. I have already emailed Pelacrash, asking for a picture of the sliders design... to see how the bracket looks. If they are kind enough to reply with a picture, I'll be sure to share it on here. Thanks for sharing the ideas, everyone. |
