| Author | Message | ||
     Jpowell490 |
Ahhhh, maybe I spoke too soon. Experiencing some rather annoying surging going on now with the 1125r and some engine noise as well. Going down the interstate or any road for that matter at 3500-4500 there is a distinct surge/miss in the engine. Anything below 3500 is un-rideable It is getting pretty herky jerky as well. It isn't something that cuts out all together, but it is there no doubt. Christ, what else can go wrong with this machine before I lose my sanity  I am all ears on suggestions | ||
| Xl1200r |
that's going to be a dealer issue. The surging this bike is known for generally takes place at 3,000 rpm and lower. If you're at 3,500 and higher and getting surging, you've got an issue that needs to be corrected somewhere. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
fouled plugs? Battery maybe? But I agree, I'd take it in. (Message edited by badlionsfan on September 14, 2009) | ||
| Chadhargis |
I was going to say plugs, but I was beat to the punch. | ||
| Hellgate |
Got the same problem, had is since day one, mile one. Now that I've finally sorted through all of the other problems I dropped her off last week and told they have four weeks to square her away. The mechanic told me point blank he wasn't sure if he could but he would check all of the basics out and call Buell Tech once he'd verified the basics were in order. My problem really came to light on the dyno, it was missing terrible. If I find out what the problem is I'll post it up. | ||
| Mrbikle |
definitely sounds like a plug | ||
| T_man |
The fuel map is extremely lean at those RPM's. Better with the newer flashes - but pending on your AFV's it still maybe too lean. One way or another; I'd recommend richening it up. | ||
| Jpowell490 |
Well, it is a brand new bike with 1400 miles on it. So if you have an idea of how to richen it up, I am all game. The plugs? wouldn't think they would foul that quickly. What is the best program to richen this up? I seem them all over, some on ebay from •••••••• I think, but one is like 75 dollars the other is like 375 dollars. Like I said, it has the 05z flash, or is supposed to anyway. (Message edited by jpowell490 on September 14, 2009) (Message edited by blake on September 14, 2009) | ||
| 1_mike |
Tell the man the truth... MOST..All.....1125's need much more fuel and a good bit more ignition timing. That program that's on the market works VERY well in fixing the fueling (surging) problems. The dealer can't, the manufactrure...apparently can't legally do anything about it. Personally...I see the dealers problem, the manufacturer...hmmm... Mike | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
F***ing E.P.A. <sigh> R | ||
| Chadhargis |
I swear, mine DOES NOT have any problem. Sure, there is some lean surge at low RPM cruise, but that's the case on every fuel injected bike I've ever owned, only it's not as bad on my 1125 as other's I've ridden. | ||
| Jpowell490 |
Well just got home and it is not considered hot here today by any means. Gas is boiling in the frame you can hear it like you had water on the stove. Garage smells of fumes BIG time. WTF is about all I have to say, didn't they fix these issues? Anyone know what I can buy to remap the ••••••• fuel in this bike? I am no stranger as I have done in on the Harleys in the past. Just let me know the best and easiest way and my order will be placed. | ||
| Helicon |
Unfortunately, there is no fix to the boiling fuel and fumes in the garage. When I'm done riding and am parking in the garage, I open the gas cap and let it sit there so all the pressure releases from the tank. Otherwise I end up with a puddle of gas and stronger fumes in the garage. Just be careful to open the gas cap slowly, as boiling hot fuel can spray up onto your hand. Others have done things, such as put a fan on the motorcycle and/or putting a california style catch canister on the fuel vent line. | ||
| Jpowell490 |
Marvelous, I am about one problem away from cutting my loses and chalking this up to being bullshitted by the dealer. Regardless of my frustration, thank you guys for helping me, I appreciate it more than you know. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Every bike I've ever owned, including my scooter, will fume up the garage after a ride. My FRJ1300 was the only bike that suffered from the "boiling gas" syndrome. I typically do the "crack the fuel cap" trick and let it cool in the driveway before putting it away in my shop. I do the same with all my bikes, otherwise the house will smell of gas. My bikes live IN my house, so that's a bad thing. Jpowell, I know the folks at Bumpus very well, and have never known them to bullshit anyone. I think you should document your issues, call Buell Customer Service, and work with your local shop to get things made right. My 1125 runs fine, so it's not anything that can't be fixed. | ||
| Blake |
JPowell, Please PM me your VIN and dealer info. | ||
| Jpowell490 |
Hey Chad, Don't take offense to the Bumpus comment, I am sure you know them well. With that said, you don't know the whole story on the deal so I will leave it as that. You don't know everything that went down afterwards either. You don't know how many times I voiced concern over the 2008's and was assured, promised, etc. that there would be NONE of those issues because they have went over these with a fine tooth comb. I should have known better. With that being said, I do love the bike and I think it is a great "concept", but one that has many issues and should have never been sold to the public. Do I blame Erik Buell? Hell no, a lot of people don't understand all of the "behind the scenes" decisions that are made with marketing, sales, etc. But fuel boiling in the frame is definitely NOT safe by any means. I just wish some people on the board would call a spade a spade and stop making bs excuses for what is turning out to be my worst nightmare for a purchase and many others as well. These issues are nothing new to anyone. You want to know what worries me the absolute most? The sound the engine makes, it sounds like the top end is full of marbles and I was listening to it today when I got home and it sounded like it was about to spit a rod out of the case. That worries me to no end. I have never heard anything like it. My harley's made funny noises, but nothing that drastic. If it is normal, then someone explain to me why it sounds that way, like someone is inside of the motor with a sledgehammer swinging for all it is worth..... | ||
| Jpowell490 |
PM sent Blake, | ||
| Chadhargis |
Sorry you're having so many issues. I hope you get them all worked out. I bought my 1125 from Bumpus, and even though I trust them, I still asked for an extended test ride before I bought the bike. I rode it in city traffic, high speed interstate, twisty back roads, etc. I even let it sit and idle for several minutes to see if it would overheat like the stories I've read. It performed flawlessly. Now, if 1000 miles from now, it begins to weep clutch fluid, make funny noises, run poorly, or any other issues....I can't hold them responsible as it ran fine on my test ride. I can take it back to them and get them to take care of it under warranty. Looks like Blake is going to hook you up. I remember when I had the fan go out on my Ulysses and it was three weeks and still no part, I got an email from someone asking for my VIN and dealer and low and behold...the fan got fixed. Buell stands behind their products better than any brand I've owned. I've had issues with other bikes, and the manufacturer basically denied it was an issue, especially with my BMW. My FJR1300 had an issue with valve seat wear, and the fix was to replace the head and valves, yet it was not an "official" fix from Yamaha in the US, but it was in Europe. A few insistent owners got Yamaha to replace their top ends and gave us fodder for our cannons, but Yamaha never admitted it was a defect. BMW had the rear drive issues and surging. I had to have my GS engine top end rebuilt at 8500 miles. My KLR650 had a cam chain tensioner break. Known as the "doohickey", you had to buy and aftermarket unit since the factory one continued to break. Kawasaki never fixed the part in well over a decade of selling the bike. Buell seems to be different. They make changes from one model year to the next to correct issues, and many of them are retrofitable. Hang in there. Buell will make it right. | ||
| Jpowell490 |
Thanks Chad, | ||
| Bigblock |
My 08 had a boiling fuel problem, it turned out to be a tank venting issue, they replaced the tank venting system(CA bike, so the check valve in the frame, and the canister) and this fixed this issue on my bike. | ||
| Tbenson |
Jpowell, Sorry to hear of all your issues! Mine have not been near yours, but the level of concern is building here also! We along with many others purchased a bike to ride and enjoy, not to take back and forth to the Dealer for repairs! I get the frustration! I mean no disrespect to the loyalty, but I agree with Jpowell, the excuses are sometimes BS! So far Buell is fixing my problems, but when the warranty runs out? just a concern! I have owned several different brands of vehicles and motorcycles, and honestly I have not had this many issues, in as little time, on any of them, not even the ones raced every week at the track (1/4 mile)! Maybe lucky, maybe spoiled, just saying! Troy | ||
| Chevycummins |
Jpowell490, I've got 7,000 miles on my 08 and still trying to get the dealer to fix the misfire/surge. I'm sure mine is a little worse than normal. It has a noticeable surge even at 80mph. PM me and I'll share a picture of something you might want to check. I'm interested if yours looks similar. | ||
| Jpowell490 |
Well coming to work this morning, I started not to even ride it because of these issues, but anyway it is surging at almost all speeds now. Down low and at 70-75 mph. It just pisses me off that I am going to have to spend probably close to 400 bucks for a tuner to try and remedy the fueling issues. Yea all these excuses are bs no doubt about it. I don't care what anyone says, I have said it 20 times on here, I have never never ever had this many problems with a machine. The worst part? You are stuck with it unless you want to trade it and they won't give you jack shit for it on trade in. Lovely.... Hell, I don't want to trade it, I just want it to function like a new bike, but all these problems are putting a REAL sour taste in my mouth. Just glad in a way I am not the only one, there are many many more. Not glad for the problems, just that people know they are there and that I am not crazy. I come to work in business attire, I get here smelling like I just climbed out of good ol' boy Roy's 1970 smoking truck or something.... | ||
| Badlionsfan |
A tuner isn't gonna fix that, that isn't normal for any of them. Trying to help u trouble shoot here, do u rev the bike when sitting still? If so, that could be the cause of a bad spark plug. Also, keeping in mind that your bike sat on the floor for a long time, it may have a lot of start up, rev up and shut downs on it. Again, possible plug fouling. Do u keep the bike on a battery tender? If not, I'd recommend it. I bought my 08 about a year ago, and when I took delivery the battery had to be replaced from sitting. I'd have the battery tested, if for nothing else, piece of mind. Also regarding the battery, these bikes don't even start charging the battery til after 3000 rpm or so, so if u do a lot of short rides with a lot of engine restarting, it can lead to a weak battery. This stuff may all seem stupidly simple, but I always like to eliminate the little stuff before I start throwing a ton of money or down time at a problem. Good luck to ya, and of course keep us all posted. | ||
| Tbenson |
Good info there Badlionsfan! What tender do you use, and is the one you have working the way it should, in your opinion? I need to get one, I can never decide, so I am uncertain where to spend my money? Thanks, Troy | ||
| Badlionsfan |
I have the tender jr. If the bike is in the garage, it's on the tender. As far as I can tell, it performs as it should as I've never had a battery issue with this bike or the xb9sx I had before. | ||
| Metalrabbit |
Badlionsfan, That is a good tip on the battery tender. I didn't ride my '09 for just two weeks and the batt was so dead it wouldn't show any sign of life. Once your battery is up "Jpowell490" just try this. (1)Set your kill switch to run (2)Turn Key to ON (3)Hold Throttle to Closed for at least One Second. (4)Roll Throttle All the way to Full for at least one second. (5)Return to Closed for One Second (6)Do This 3 Times (7)Turn off Key Let us know if this helps. Believe it or not my '09 was heading for the symtoms you described. I noticed the engine clatter was getting louder, start-up idle was irratic. Also the engine pulses (in the power band) had a "sharp" feel and sound. The engine seemed to be stuggling getting up to the power it had,, I was worried and blamed all kinds of things. This simple proceedure cured it, the Beast is Back! (Message edited by metalrabbit on September 15, 2009) (Message edited by metalrabbit on September 15, 2009) | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Always forget about the tps reset. Good call. | ||
| Jpowell490 |
I tried that procedure and it did nothing, my TPS is sitting at 2 closed and 100 open. Maybe it didn't take when I did it, who knows. |
