| Author | Message | ||
     Amafan |
Tony Elias had 2 podiums last year on the satelight Ducati and Alex Barros had a podium in 2007 on a satelight Ducati ,and Loris Capirossi had 1 win plus a couple podiums in 2007 on the factory Ducati team . Nicky Hayden was 1st factory Ducati rider other then Casey Stoner to podium since 2007 was what the Ducati press release said . | ||
| Jaimec |
I stand corrected, but I don't remember Capirossi winning on a Ducati since the change to 800cc. | ||
| Jaimec |
So how much do we hate Dani Pedrosa here in the States? All four of us (my friends and I in the stands) jumped for joy when Dani crashed out of the lead on Sunday. We were all very disappointed when Rossi followed shortly thereafter because we were denied the "Rossi/Lorenzo Show." Seeing Nicky on the podium made up for it, though. | ||
| P_squared |
I didn't jump for joy when Dani crashed. Now if it had been Puig, I probably would have. I don't hate Dani & I don't like him either. I don't take joy in watching/seeing racers go down, as there is a very real risk they may be seriously injured. But if Puig gets on that bike, I'll throw oil on the track. | ||
| Crusty |
Terri and I were also very pleased when the rat weasel crashed. A big cheer went up from the stands we were sitting in (Southwest Vista), so we weren't alone in our sentiments. I don't wish any racer injury, but it was sweet to see the walking ego take himself out. | ||
| Jaimec |
It was a low speed low side, so we knew he wasn't hurt. If it were a giant high side trust me... we WOULDN'T have been cheering. | ||
| P_squared |
Here's my deal on Dani...he's got a public persona that's a charismatic as cardboard. To think he intentionally took out Nicky is foolish IMO. He was young, selfish & pushing too hard without thinking of the consequences. As a result, it nearly cost Nicky the season. He was man enough to apologize to Nicky in his trailer afterward & promise to do everything he could to help him win per Nicky's own words. Dani kept his word. Puig is the ratbastage that I despise. Dani? I couldn't care one way or the other. If he does good, good for him, but I'm watching the race for the other riders I'm cheering for. If he does bad, don't care. | ||
| Blake |
"the walking ego" Shouldn't that be "the miniature walking ego"? Danny is tiny. One day he was walking by a Buell 1125R admiring its obvious high tech engineering, checking out the ZTL brake, the fuel in frame... but he got a little too close and got ingested by one of the pods. | ||
| Mizzou_buell |
I like Pedrosa he is the racer I root for, but this is my first year watching MotoGp, so I don't know any history that may cause this dislike for him. It maybe just that I am of fan of the Repsol Honda's. | ||
| Blake |
Look starting 35 seconds into the following video. Check out the boner move Pedro pulled on Hayden just five laps into the race. Almost cost Nick the championship. That and like P_Squared said about his personality. Plus he's just so tiny. | ||
| Jaimec |
You'll also notice that after he got up, Dani IMMEDIATELY walked off the track in disgust. Now compare that to Michele Fabrizio's reaction after his bone-headed move on Ben Spies: Just a quick glance at his own bike before running right over to Ben to apologize and beg forgiveness. I figure the only reason Pedrosa apologized to Hayden AFTER THE FACT was that Honda management MADE HIM DO IT. | ||
| Jaimec |
Just read on Superbike Planet that Ducati has opted to re-sign Nicky for the 2010 season! GO NICKY! | ||
| Crusty |
Good Stuff! Go Nicky!!! | ||
| Trojan |
Just read on Superbike Planet that Ducati has opted to re-sign Nicky for the 2010 season! I'm sure Hayden feels great, and immensely valued by the team! NOT! 3rd choice for the job and for less money than both Lorenzo and Pedrosa were offered to replace him. Luckily nobody else wanted to ride the thing either  I like Nicky Hayden and whilst I don't think he is the fastest rider in MotoGP, I feel sorry for him at the moment in the way he has been treated recently by Ducati. He must be seething inside at the public nature of Ducati's sadly, madly desperate trawl to recruit another top rider over the last few weeks, especially as only 4 weeks ago they were saying that they were happy to honour Hayden's option for 2010 (just before trying to renege on the deal and grab any rider they could buy to repace Hayden). The team press release is full of platitudes and sh*t, but in truth he has kept the ride because they couldn't buy anyone else. Why did they leave taking his option until the very last day before exercising it? Why did they try to hire another rider right up until this week for a LOT of money before deciding that Nicky was 'part of the Ducati plan for 2010'. BullSh*t Mr Suppo. I have rarely seen such disloyalty and blatant disregard for a rider by any team in world class motorcycle racing, with the exception of the way Marco Melandri was treated last year by the very same team! Ducati have certainly hit the bottom of the barrel with their dealings this year, and while I don't wish any harm on Nicky I really hope Ducati don't do well next year. Nicky was even quoted earlier this week saying words to the effect (I can't find the original quote now) "I want to stay at Ducati, but I don't want to stay where I am not wanted. Some people here want me to stay, but some people don't". I'm sure that will make a great atmosphere in the garage! Hayden should tell them to stick the ride where the sun don't shine. He may be out of a job but he'd certainly have my respect  (Message edited by trojan on September 03, 2009) | ||
| Jaimec |
Looks like King James has reasons to lie awake at night: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Sep/090903c.ht m His best bet is that nobody appears to want two Americans on the same team, so if Spies does decide to jump to MotoGP, it'll be Colin Edwards (the better performing of the two riders), and NOT JT, who'd get the old heave-ho. Damn shame because Tech 3 would be AWESOME as "Team Texas!" Team Tech-sass? | ||
| Trojan |
Looks like King James has reasons to lie awake at night: Everyone knows that Toseland has not produced good enough results to keep his ride, and if it was just a matter of talent adn results he would be gone in favour of Elias or De Angelis, both of whom find them selves out of work after scoring recent podiums and are ahead of Toseland in the standings. Unfortunately politics and money play a bigger part than talent, and they may conspire to keep Toseland at Tech 3 for another year regardless of what Poncheral says. There is lucrative TV money from the UK riding on having a Brit on the grid (although most Brits would prefer to see Cal Crutchlow or Leon Camier given a chance rather than James Toseland), and there is pressure from Yamaha as James is a good ambassador for them. We shall see, but I would think the decision will be made this weekend and could tie in with the result from WSB in Germany. | ||
| Trojan |
I figure the only reason Pedrosa apologized to Hayden AFTER THE FACT was that Honda management MADE HIM DO IT. Pedrosa was convinced that Hayden had 'brake tested' him in the corner and had braked earlier than in previous laps. He didn't apologise because he thought Hayden was to blame for the crash. These things happen in racing and at the end of the day it didn't stop Hayden taking the title. I think he eventually apologised more for the title situation than for the actual accident, as he still didn't feel to blame. Hayden was comprehensively punted off this year by Takahashi but nobody mentions that one | ||
| Smoke |
No championship implications this year and Takahashi was not a teammate. could it have been Stoner that Ducati management were trying to replace? me, i'm glad to see Hayden back on the Ducati next year to hopefully make better progress using this year's information. looking forward to the next event! tim | ||
| Duggram |
Over on the WERA forum there are posts that suggest that Spies has signed with Tech 3 to ride with Edwards next year. Am I reading this wrong? | ||
| Jaimec |
That isn't mentioned at ANY other motorcycle news site. I suspect it's wishful thinking and wild speculation. | ||
| Jaimec |
Rossi showed he's STILL "The Doctor" this past weekend. Would've been nice to see Jorge closer to the front and I'm sorry Nicky didn't get a chance to prove that Indianapolis was not a fluke. Boy did he look PISSED!! Colin seemed to take it more in stride. | ||
| Jaimec |
Team Texas? Edwards has apparently been confirmed for Tech3 next year. Who his teammate will be is still up in the air... | ||
| Simond |
Much as I would like JT to keep the job, if Spies doesn't move across from WSB they would be mad not to give Elias another chance on the Yamaha. | ||
| Trojan |
JT really doesn't deserve to keep his ride at Tech 3, and last weekend's ride was more of the same mediocre performance we have come to expect unfortunately. I hope that Tech 3 get another rider but I don't think it will be Spies & Edwards together. There are sponsorship and other issues with having two US riders in the French based team and most observers doubt that both will be in the same team at the same time, although stranger things have happened. Edwards has a contract (at much reduced pay apparently) but that may be direct with Yamaha rather than with Tech 3. It would not surprise me to see Edwards moved across to WSB if Spies does make the jump to MotoGP next year, as this was mentioned a few months ago. That would of course still leave an open place at Tech 3 and it could be Elias or one of the other currently jobless riders (not DeAngelis though apparently!), or even a new rider to the series altogether. There is still pressure from Dorna and the BBC to have a British rider on the grid next year,although JT doesn't seem to be the guy to do it. Maybe Cal Crutchlow will make a surprise MotoGP move (he says hopefully!) to Tech 3. He is after all a Yamaha team rider and sponsored by Monster Energy already JT is allegedly trying to get a ride at either Pramac or the new team trying to get into MotoGP next year FB Racing, although their bike is nowhere near ready and doesn't look like a contender for race victories either (3 cylinder inline engine with 210bhp based on the cancelled BMW prototype from Oral engineering). James would be better going back to WSB where he would be guaranteed a top ride. Still at Yamaha, Rossi is apparently more than a little p*ssed off that Yamaha have given Lorenzo equal number one status, and feels that all his & JB's development work in changing the M1 from underperformer to multi title winner have been undervalued. He has been openly talking since Misano that he may not finish his career with Yamaha after all, but would seriously consider a move to Ducati (if he could take Burgess with him I imagine). I hope he does move, and I hope he wins another title for yet another manufacturer. Maybe then the anti Rossi brigade will admit just how good he really is | ||
| Duggram |
Wow! Saw this on another forum . Apparently there's good reason to believe that if Ben wins WSB there will be a team Texan. Supposedly Colin's contract is now with Tech3 and not Yamaha, which leaves a seat open for Ben. There's a bunch more interesting stuff in there about contracts and semantics. Fun read. Looking forward to your comments too. | ||
| Jaimec |
Duggram: If you look three posts up from yours, you'll see I already posted that information here... | ||
| Trojan |
Good interview http://www.crash.net/motogp/interview/152107/1/exc lusive_herve_poncharal_tech_3_motogp_-_qa.html with Poncheral from Tech 3. he doesn't say too much about the second rider in the team but I get the impression that it won't be Spies. He seems very impressed with Alex Espargaro judging from this adn other interviews I have seen. Maybe he is the dark horse for the second ride (Message edited by trojan on September 10, 2009) | ||
| Duggram |
I'm embarrassed! At least I commented on some of the interesting specifics. I also thought it was interesting how the writer pointed out that the UK dollars could still be used to sponsor a UK rider. A solution to make everyone happy. | ||
| Duggram |
Sounds like there is still the possibility of Ben riding on the Tech3 team. Or am I misunderstanding the comment? | ||
| Trojan |
I also work with Carmelo [Ezpeleta, Dorna]. I am a Yamaha MotoGP team, so I am very close to Yamaha, but I also have to talk and work with Carmelo to see what is best for the championship. All together Yamaha, Tech 3 and Dorna are trying to see what is best for the championship and what is best for Tech 3. You could read into the above that, even though Poncheral is obviously disapointed with Toseland so far, he could still get the ride because of pressure from Dorna. The problem is that Herve said a lot without actually saying anything new! So everyone is making there own interpretation of his words. Another web site took the fact that Colin Edards is now paid by Tech 3 instead of direct by Yamaha as proof that Spies would indeed be the 'Yamaha Employee' in the team, yet if you look at this quote: Crash.net: I believe that Colin Edwards now has an offer from you for 2010? Herve Poncharal: Colin was told, and I was told, at Indy by Furusawa that Yamaha has been supporting his contract and salary - a 'soft landing' they call it - for two years, 2008 and 2009. But because of the economic environment at the moment, especially for motorcycle makers, Yamaha have made it very clear that they cannot do that any more. That is very understandable and we are an independent team so my riders should talk to me [about contracts]. Anyway, Colin is a priority, he is Yamaha's number one choice for my bike and I made him an offer. That could read that the number one choice of Yamaha rider is Edwards and he is already in place. It also makes clear that the days of factory paid privateers is coming to an end as far as Yamaha is concerned, and that Tech 3 have a far greater flexibility in 2nd rider choice than many would think. I would like to see the situation wrapped up very soon, as it does no good for the poor guys who are going to be out of a ride for next year if they don't get a chance to sort something out soon. Leaving them (JT, Elias, DeAngelis, Vermulen, Espargaro) hanging on makes their chance of a decent ride next year slimmer by the day. |
