| Author | Message | ||
     Bulstrk |
I called Buell about the huge amount of heat coming off the right side of my bike and cooking my leg even after wrapping it with ceramic cloth tape. They said that's the way they are because of the fuel mapping. So, I asked if they planned to make a Ulysses-type bike with the 1125 power plant since I figure it must run cooler with liquid cooling. The answer was "You never know what be coming out in July for the 2010 models." Two questions: 1) Are there any rumors out there about such a bike? 2) Does anyone have any experience taming the heat demon with fuel mapping or anything else that works? | ||
| Treysmagna |
So when in July are they going to announce the new models? I am waiting, but not very patiently | ||
| Buell2001b |
I dont know if liquic cooled really helps hat much. I have a friend with a ducati 848 and she was complaining how hot it gets at the sides of the bike. With all thsoe plastics air has no where to go. This might be cool idea, but its hard to beat the great gas milage the Air colled engine gives over the liquid cooled!!! | ||
| Hughlysses |
1- Never seen anything other than people speculating that Buell should build an 1125 Uly. 2- Check the BB&D forum. There are plenty of threads about improving the heat issues. The new HD & Buell models come out next week at the annual dealer show in Denver. Not sure of the exact date. | ||
| Endoman33 |
Dealer show is July 27 | ||
| Blake |
Wrong topic.  (moved from the News topic) (Message edited by blake on August 20, 2009) | ||
| Ccryder |
Uh dooh! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I was told that during the 2 hour strategic briefing, BMC indicated that no 1125X was on the drawing board. I suspect that we will see the line narrowed to: X/XT/SS--Same basic platform Scg/R--Same basic platform R/CR--Same basic platform I don't know if the 9 motor will continue. If it doesn't, they lose the SX and R variants. They can order frames for those three platform models and "switch hit" as demand requires. Although, the 1125X would be another 1125 platform variant, the engine doesn't suit the design parameters for the Uly (read dual sport). There is not the financial capacity to create a retasked 1125 motor nor a powerplant of alternate design. My understanding. Feel free to disagree. | ||
| Froggy |
Ft_bstrd, I reject your reality and substitute my own. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Remember, Fatty is an "inside man" now. I bought an 1125CR based on the information I received from a reputable source who is a member of the BMC Strategic Council (or something to that effect). No 1125 Ulysses is on the drawing board is what I was told. I will adapt the CR to be what I want. That being said, I rode it to work today, which I could NEVER do with the Ulysses as I'd have a mild concussion from the violent engine shaking before I got to work. The 1125 was PERFECT. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
How was the heat (or lack thereof)? | ||
| No_rice |
I rode it to work today, which I could NEVER do with the Ulysses as I'd have a mild concussion from the violent engine shaking before I got to work. i truely hope you are completely over exaggerating! i didnt even know they shook unless they were at idle...! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Chad's got a sensitive ass. | ||
| Froggy |
Funny, my CR pumps more heat than my Ulything or Blast. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Heat wasn't an issue. I was hot, but that's because I was in rush hour traffic on a 90 degree day in Tennessee humidity. Pavement temps alone were probably a good 130 degrees. The CR coolant temp never got above 198 degrees and cooled down quickly once I got moving. Rice...no, I'm not kidding. The Ulysses is a great bike. I love it. But a commuting rig it isn't. Between the tall 1st gear and the major vibes at idle, there is a lot of shaking going on. Enough to actually blur my vision and give me a headache if I do it long enough. On the Uly, I typically stand up when I stop to get my butt off the seat. The CR is wonderful. Not overly vibey, but not so smooth that it's devoid of character. I still think an 1125 Uly would be the best bike in the world, but I don't think we'll see one anytime soon. | ||
| Buellsrule |
Sorry Chad, having owned an R, CR and a Uly, I wouldn't want a 1125X. I think that the Uly is perfect just like it is. Way smoother everywhere but idle. The 1125's are a little "buzzy". All great bikes but I think Buell understands the formula for success and they have it with the Uly(especially with the comfort kit). The 1125's are the perfect track weapons but are not better street bikes than the air-cooled bikes unless liquid cooling is your thing. I didn't like my Aprilia Falco as much as my S3. To each his own. I really do like all the Buells(except the Blast)  . | ||
| Drdorsey |
"I will adapt the CR to be what I want." I am afraid that my CR has adapted me. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Agree to disagree on the 1125 not being a better street motor than the air cooler. The air cooler has easier maintenance and better fuel mileage. But a better motor. NOPE. I guess I'm tolerant of "vibes" or something, but I've not noticed them. On my 600 they are pretty bad...very high frequency, but the 1125 is not bad. You can feel it, but it's bad at all. I've ridden a motorcycle that didn't vibrate. A few actually. The Honda ST1300 and Goldwing and the Suzuki V-Strom. BORING bikes. I like a little character in my ride. I like it to talk to me. The air cooled motor runs poorly when it gets hot. Pinging and power loss until it gets cooled off. I attempted to commute on my Uly a few times, and gave up. Just didn't want to damage the motor by getting it that hot. Even my 600 would get blisteringly hot in my commute, and the fan would blow the hear right on my left leg. The CR cools very well, and I feel no severe heat from the engine, even when I was wearing thin dress pants. When you let the clutch out on the 1125, it throttles up the engine automatically...making it possible to eek along at less than walking speed and never touch the throttle. You could NEVER do that on a Uly as it would buck and jump wildly. You HAD to slip the clutch like a mad man thanks to how how 1st gear was. Now...I LOVED my Uly. Best all around bike I've ever owned. If they would only put the 1125 motor in the Uly, it would be perfect. Sadly, that isn't going to happen because the 1125 has more maintenance requirements, poorer fuel economy, and most Uly buyers aren't looking for a high horsepower bike. So I don't think it would make good sense for Buell to screw with an already good product. Someone told me that the Uly is Buells best seller, but that may not be the case now. Can't confirm it. | ||
| Froggy |
Chad the 08+ Ulys do the auto throttle thing too  | ||
| Chadhargis |
Well cool! Didn't know that. I guess it makes since after they did away with the idle adjuster screw. As much as I loved my Uly...the CR is just so much more fun to ride. Holy crap...twisting the throttle to the stop on that thing is just more fun than words can describe. The fun keeps going, and going, and I've not hit the rev limiter yet. | ||
| Bikejunky |
From my understanding if a guy wants to use a Uly for commuting, the new comfort kit (right side air scoop, heat shield, and ECM download) from Buell availiable in late august is supposed to take care of all the heat issues or at least lessen them. I've also seen that guys are putting the xb9 primary on the Uly to shorten up the gear ratio's to a more friendly 1st and second gear. my .02 | ||
| Chadhargis |
I never had heat issues, from a rider standpoint. Just the engine getting hot from no air moving over it when you're not moving. All the scoops in the world won't help that. The XB9 primary would be an interesting mod, and I thought about it. I really wanted to ride one before I pulled the trigger and never got to sample one. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
But a commuting rig it isn't  You have GOT to be kidding.... I commute pretty much 11 months out of the year(Wisconsin). You must be seriously sensitive to vibrations... I just don't even notice them. I also enjoy the 50+ MPG on my 'ulybolt'. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Chad - I love my CR as well, but having come off an XB12, I feel the need to disagree with pretty much all of your assertions about the Thunderstorm engine. All engines get hot, and lose power when the get hot. The 1125 is miserable at a walking pace. If anything needs the clutch slipped at slow speeds, it's the 1125 and not the Uly. I could feather the clutch out and get into 5th gear on my Firebolt without touching the throttle. I also wouldn't describe anything about the vibrations on a thunderstorm to 'violent'. In all, I think the XBs and Ulys make for a better commuter than the 1125 bikes. | ||
| Elvis |
I think most would agree that the GS1200 sets the bar by which most bikes in this class are measured and the GS1200 uses a big displacement, air-cooled V-Twin. BMW could certainly use a different engine if they wanted to, but I think they realize that the relative light weight and simplicity combined with low RPM torque rather than high RPM horsepower of an air-cooled twin is an ideal fit for this type of bike. | ||
| Chadhargis |
We'll have to agree to disagree. My Ulysses is a great bike, and I've owned it longer than any bike I've ever had. But that engine kept it from being perfect. It's good for what it is, and I have enjoyed life without valve adjustments and such. Yes, I am sensitive to the shaking I guess. I just never got used to it. Luckily, I could stand up and have an inch or so of clearance between my butt and the seat, and that would isolate me from the shaking. The engine is DEAD SMOOTH above 3500rpm. Either one of two things is happening. Either my Uly motor is not very good at low RPM (and I've tried everything, including the "square idle" to fix it) or my 1125 motor is exceptional. The 1125 is fantastic. Fueling is spot on. I can literally ease out the clutch (hydraulic with vacuum assist! YEAH!!) and the bike pulls smooth. The only area where the 1125 could use a bit of help is in the 3000rpm range where there is a bit of a surge to it. Not as bad as my BMW RT, but you can feel it. I sat in stop and go HOT Tennessee traffic on my 1125, then hopped off the slab and hit a back road. The bike had no power loss, no pinging....it ran like a scalded dog. Fantastic. Coolant temps never got above 198 degrees, and after a mile or two at speed, dropped back into the mid-180's. By the end of the road, I was in the 170's for coolant temp. The Rotax engine is fantastic! I see the merits of the air-cooled motor, and if I were going to do a long touring ride, I'd appreciate the MUCH better fuel economy and fewer vibes in the operating range. But other than that, the 1125 is better in my opinion. But that's just me. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I'm still waiting for Froggy to graft that Uly tail and suspension onto his new CR. If anybody does it, it'll be him! | ||
| Buellsrule |
When I bought my CR a couple of months ago, I flew to Austin, TX and picked it up. It was a 2 day ride and a thousand miles home. On the third day, I flew to Tampa, FL to pick up a Uly. I rode it straight home 750 miles. No comparison at all. The Uly was far smoother everywhere but idle. I'm glad we like our bikes. Just sayin'... Frank | ||
| Ccryder |
There seems to be a wide variance in "smoothness" on the 1125 engines. Mileage does make a difference as does fueling programing. Frank: Are you in town this weekend? Chad and I are looking at riding tomorrow AM. Neil S. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Mine was the CR demo at Bumpus, so maybe it was properly broken in from several demo rides (think Motoman break in). Smoothness is a something I've never been a big fan of. Like the Goldwing I once had. You couldn't tell it was even running. Same with an ST1300. I enjoy a very visceral feel. I like to "feel" what the bike is doing. Feeling the engine is part of that. The 1125 has good feel, without being intrusive. I don't get numb hands or anything from it. I liked the Uly too. It has good feel. I think most twins do. That's why I like them. Inline fours are too buzzy, whereas twins have a nice throb to them. | ||
| Buellsrule |
Neil, I'll be in church tomorrow a.m. Would love to ride with you guys. How about next Sunday? I'm flexable on time so you tell me. Have fun tomorrow and be careful. Frank |
