| Author | Message | ||
     Crackhead |
Diablo, i suggest a wiki search for final drive ratio. The fastest gearing is not the one designed for top speed but rather lowest lap speed. | ||
| Diablo1 |
Diablo, i suggest a wiki search for final drive ratio. The fastest gearing is not the one designed for top speed but rather lowest lap speed. So, only Buell knows how to gear their racebike at every track?} | ||
| Slaughter |
Everybody gears their bike for MAX acceleration and just short of rev limit at the fastest sections. Best lap times win races, not fastest top speed. | ||
| Slojon |
Try landracing.com for insight towards aero & flow...I learned a BUNCH on my few excursions to BONNEVILLE. Again, I laugh by the "expert" insight. Looks fast to me! | ||
| Pariah |
Ducdood: once again, your arrogance knows no bounds. Armchair aerodynamics engineer now... your uncommon common sense places you in the same league as the engineers behind the 1125R, huh?  You just don't know what you don't know... why not stick to what you know, which is what exactly? | ||
| Ducdood9 |
So, who has the real aero drag numbers? ______________________________ "Neither of the bikes you named comes close to the Buell aerodynamic numbers which were gathered in a wind tunnel in Wichita, KS. " | ||
| Diablobrian |
When it comes to aerodynamics the only place where "seeing is believing" is in the wind tunnel. You cannot judge the Cd just by looking. BTW, how the air closes behind the bike is just as important as how it punches the hole. See the stock tail of the xbrr for an interesting insight into what works better than the stock firebolt tail many racers prefer(ed). or for that matter the bonneville favorite RR1000 et al fairing that is still used on so many brands and displacements of bikes and has set many LSRs that I won't begin to try listing here. The current angular "stealth" style fairings that are all the fashion are an aero nightmare. But they look like the latest airplanes so they MUST be super aerodynamic.... right? Look up team Elves, and maybe the xbrr launch video that showed it being tested, with rider, in the wind tunnel to get the Cd as low as they could. Do you really think that they short cut that step on the 1125r and 1125rr? Erik spent Christmas in the wind tunnel before the xbrr launch IIRC. That was for 50 bikes. How high do you think his level of commitment to a full production bike is? | ||
| Slaughter |
This is what I don't understand: the constant talking about "good looking" fairings as if that really mattered. I guar-ass-an-tee you that the rider's upper body, shoulders and arms being pushed through the air has more drag than a "big" fairing. The pressure recovery behind the rider being the same. People keep pointing to Ducati as having "good looking" fairings but they never look at the reality of "FAIRING" a rider. If looks are important for the bike parked in the Starbucks parking lot then by all means, the "big" fairing of the 1125R and XBrr doesn't "look" streamlined. Pressure recovery and cooling drag are HUGE factors. (gotta go, abusing computing priveleges at work AGAIN) | ||
| Slaughter |
Just hit my inbox a couple minutes ago - FYI:
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| Ducdood9 |
How do we reach numbers from these test quoted here showing one bike against another? ______________________________ "Neither of the bikes you named comes close to the Buell aerodynamic numbers which were gathered in a wind tunnel in Wichita, KS. " | ||
| Court |
>>>"Neither of the bikes you named comes close to the Buell aerodynamic numbers which were gathered in a wind tunnel in Wichita, KS. " Absolutely accurate information. Tell ya what . . . we're always hitting Buell up for this stuff. . . contact Suzuki and see what they tell you. They own a Buell and they have the numbers. | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
You'll have to remind him to tell you some other time. | ||
| Ducdood9 |
"Neither of the bikes you named comes close to the Buell aerodynamic numbers which were gathered in a wind tunnel in Wichita, KS. " ________________________________ Well I do believe, just not in the same direction as you imply. You on the inside. Me on the outside. I get called out for making claims with no numbers. Not everyone here plays by the same set of rules. this is the weirdest board on the internet as far as politics and favoritism. The discussions are far from honest or factual or free and open. This is a Buell board but by NO means a MOTORCYCLE enthusiast board as other bikes are only used for ridicule. You simply cant talk about other makes in a positive way. The most common reply to a post that is less than advertising for the Buell is to draw attention to another manufactures short comings. I don't see how that is comforting or beneficial?? It appears only well liked here people can get their bike fixed by going through unofficial channels and placing gifts at the feet of the Court judge and jury. People are put in their place by careful legal ease type wording selecting one portion of a statement and ignoring the bulk or intent of the posters words. The powers that be walking a tightrope above truth and reality. Official statements are impossible as the closest thing to official manufacture word is hidden behind anonymous. Consumer acceptance of less than desirable performance is not only accepted but zero expectations are placed on the manufacture to make improvements. If Buell uses this board as a cross section of the general market place then thats why the 2010 Buell is not much improved over the 08. Give people a chance to buy American, give them a reason. Give them FACTS. Don't worry if you think I blew the flame out on your hookah or bong party, I will not be coming back. Party on | ||
| Pizzaboy |
That would be so cool if Just one thread could make 2 separate members go away!! | ||
| Doerman |
Give them FACTS. Ever heard of intellectual property and trade secrets? Some data fall in that category other data does not. or... did I miss the point? entirely possible ok...I'll go away now | ||
| Slypiranna |
I still "duck" behind the "bubble" when an oncoming Semi blows by my left! LOL! Funny it took (who knows) ?$'s to engineer this? Even more funny is how it is questioned and/or argued on the internet. | ||
| Blake |
>>>You on the inside. Me on the outside. I get called out for making claims with no numbers. Funny thing but credibility matters. Those with no credibility like you will always be doubted. Those like Court who have earned their credibility time and time again will be trusted to provide honest information. >>>The most common reply to a post that is less than advertising for the Buell is to draw attention to another manufactures short comings. That is a lie and you are a liar. Why are you here posting if you abhore the place so much? These three words are for you: Takeahike. | ||
| Blake |
>>>Since the Buell has 25HP more than the 600s, by DMG dyno tests More bullshit. If that were true then the Buell would be putting down over 160 RWHP. They aren't. I know for a fact that the factory 600's are making 130 RWHP. Four years ago, Tommy Hayden's GSXR600 Supersport machine was making 125 RWHP right out of the box. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I am SOOOOO glad I wear boots. Ducdood    | ||
| Diablobrian |
Last time I looked Court was not an insider in the true sense either. He is still Erik's and various other people's friends, but there are things that they DO NOT share with him. He lives halfway across the country from WI too. Hard to work construction in NY, NY and be a factory insider in East Troy WI. | ||
| Madav8tr |
And see, Ducdood acted all offended when I made the "alter ego" comment regarding him and Brad. Didn't take long really before the bradisms really started to spew forth from him. I wonder where Brad is? Maybe he will actually do what he promised to do and leave..................and hopefully Ducdood will disappear with him. | ||
| Madav8tr |
Blake, he was referencing a post made on the WERA site by KWS's Rocky Stargel. Stargel claimed that at the Barber post race Dyno the Buell was 20hp stronger than the RSV Aprilia that Chaz Davies rides. The post didn't mention any HP numbers for the 600's so it's my belief that the troll here just made that sh*t up. In fact, the only real HP info gleaned was that the Buell had a slightly better power to weight ratio than Hackings Kawasaki, 2.6xlbs/hp Buell, 2.8xlbs/hp Hacking and a bigger gap compared to the KWS Ape 3.02lbs/hp. Really though, it is just like most other things posted about the Buell.................full of lies(25hp stronger than a 600?....BS). | ||
| Slaughter |
Oh goodie, another self-flagellating victim. I'll have to google-search my "I'm being OPRESSED" quotes from the Life of Brian. Y'know what is funny about all this is that I have OPENLY posted links when applicable to non-sponsor sites... ...in direct response to somebody's need (Ducati mechanic and info at http://www.ducatitech.com - also the host for our WSMC Racing BBS). Wasn't chastised or PM'd or otherwise beaten up - but I also didn't CONTINUALLY PROMOTE that website either. I take a decided libertarian turn socially and a decidedly conservative turn economically... but don't continually push it. If I see incredibly assinine comments in threads and TRY and not get sucked into the troll vortex. I've been open in my DIRECT CONTRADICTION to Blake's religion (I am an avowed Atheist) - and I seem to be able to keep it respectful - yet it seems I am never banned. I can openly recommend other bikes for various folks - and relate those recommendations to my OWN experience - even when those bikes are NOT BUELLS... without repercussion. I can justify my Suzuki in the garage. I can justify my Yamaha in the garage. I can justify my Honda in the garage. I know I can make honest non-Buell recommendations without fear of being banned or fear of repercussion. How comes dat? | ||
| Slaughter |
Arthur: I am your king! Woman: Well I didn't vote for you! Arthur: You don't vote for kings. Woman: Well how'd you become king then? [Angelic music plays...] Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering silmite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king! Dennis interrupting: Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony! Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you! Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away! Dennis: Help! Help! I'm being oppressed! Violence inherent in the system! Violence inherent in the system! | ||
| Zac4mac |
Steve - I won't speak for anyone but myself, but... I have seen, in over 1 year plus of living on BadWeB, that you are an honest man and I respect you and your opinion. I have never seen you "troll" no matter what you are talking about. Hat's off to you. I try to be as well thought of as yourself and the "old guard" z | ||
| Xb984r |
When you do the math with the power to weight ratios the Buell had 153 and Hackings Kawasaki had 125 those numbers are rounded up,so I would say that the Buell does have 25 more HP. In Canada Superbike the Kawasaki dynoed at 122 in the post race tech report. Blake you say you know for a fact the 600's are putting out 130 that means the Buell only needs to put out 155 not over 160, tell me if you know what the 600's are putting out I'm sure you know what the Buell is putting out, what is the HP of the Buell? | ||
| Elvis |
IF the 2.8 vs 2.6 numbers are accurate, that puts the 385 lb. Buell at 148 and the 360 lb Kawasaki at 129. That seems like a reasonably fair match-up to me. The Buell will have a SMALL advantage in acceleration (since F=MA, it will need more force to push the larger mass), but the lighter bike will still have a comparitively larger advantage braking and going around curves. | ||
| Madav8tr |
"In Canada Superbike the Kawasaki dynoed at 122 in the post race tech report" If it wasn't Hackings Kawasaki, it doesn't matter what it dynoed at in the Canadian series. I see 1125R racebikes dyno in the 120-130 range too and that isn't applicable to Eslicks racebike. Besides, Hackings Kawasaki isn't the issue. How much power does the Suzuki's make? The Yamahas have won a couple races too, so how about them? In fact, the overall race results tell us that the Buell has ZERO advantage over the 600's on the track. Check the result. 600's have won more races(6-10) and without Eslick, the 1125 wouldn't finish top 10 in most events. The fact is Eslick and the Buell are simply a wonderful combination. He is doing things with the Buell that no one else is doing and the bike just works better for him than the other riders. Happens that way sometimes and it has nothing to do with any "advantage" due to the equipment he rides. | ||
| Blake |
The numbers I referenced above are Dynojet results. Other brands of dynamometer, especially Superflow, can report significantly lower results. That would be true for any bike. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Dood. How many times are you going to leave??? heehehehehe.. R |
